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switchskier
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Re: 1872 Cup Runners Up

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hugh_woatmeigh wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/43528437

Didn't realise Cockerill had a win rate of 75%. I know they're in the small euro cup but that's still a great rate.

If the current trajectory continues then I'd hope Dodson is having a sit down with him in the summer with a view to get his contract extended.
Can't argue that he deserves an extension based on the job he has done. If he keeps it up then great. However I am little concerned that there'll be an Eddie Jones effect and the message will grow stale. So for me extend him, pay him well but don't make it a five year deal or anything similar.
Cameo
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sharvey44 wrote:Looking back over the seasons league results the only result that they should be really disappointed with is the home loss to Treviso in September.

4 away losses to Scarlets and Leinster in September, the Cheetahs and Glasgow. They've won all their home games bar the one above.

Overall a very good first season in charge for Cockerill.
And that's the one game ive been to!
no sleep

Re: 1872 Cup Runners Up

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switchskier wrote:However I am little concerned that there'll be an Eddie Jones effect
What, dropping below 85%? Unacceptable!


Seriously, I know what you mean. I'm a bit concerned that everyone's getting a bit too excited a bit too quickly, and I've seen "beaten all four Irish provinces" a bit too often. Great stuff from Cockerill getting the team up to this level, but there's still a way to go. Saturday is a big game.
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The important thing is I don't think cockerill or the team are under any illusion about where they are.

On another note, rumours again that a SA LHP is on his way.
no sleep

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whatisthejava wrote:
no sleep wrote:What I don't get is how Solomons' success rate is so close to Robinson's. Not how I remember those times
Robinson had a horrible Euro campaign twice and had a mediocre season followed by a good season
Yeah but Robinson got Edinburgh to second in the league, didn't he? I don't recall Solomons reaching the heady heights of mediocrity even. Still, stats don't lie, so I must be misremembering something. What I do like about Cockerill is that he's brought about a big improvement without bringing in too many imports.
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no sleep wrote:
whatisthejava wrote:
no sleep wrote:What I don't get is how Solomons' success rate is so close to Robinson's. Not how I remember those times
Robinson had a horrible Euro campaign twice and had a mediocre season followed by a good season
Yeah but Robinson got Edinburgh to second in the league, didn't he? I don't recall Solomons reaching the heady heights of mediocrity even. Still, stats don't lie, so I must be misremembering something. What I do like about Cockerill is that he's brought about a big improvement without bringing in too many imports.
It will have something to do with always playing in the diddy cup under AS too.
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Re: 1872 Cup Runners Up

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15. Blair Kinghorn (60)

14. Dougie Fife (102)
13. Mark Bennett (7)
12. Chris Dean (62)
11. Duhan van der Merwe (13)

10. Jaco van der Walt (13)
9. Nathan Fowles (55)

1. Jordan Lay (7)
2. Stuart McInally (115)
3. WP Nel (112)
4. Fraser McKenzie (99) CAPTAIN
5. Grant Gilchrist (115)
6. Magnus Bradbury (48)
7. John Hardie (29)
8. Bill Mata (33)

Replacements: 16. Neil Cochrane (71); 17. Rory Sutherland (61); 18. Simon Berghan (44); 19. Lewis Carmichael (28); 20. Cornell du Preez (100); 21. Sean Kennedy (58); 22. Duncan Weir (30); 23. Phil Burleigh (70)

That's a pretty decent team. SHC injured?
Cameo
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And Watson?
hugh_woatmeigh
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Re: 1872 Cup Runners Up

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And Toolis... And I don't think Lay is their best LH.

Not quite sure about the team actually. Balance between 22/23 is wrong as well IMO.

1st XV bar scrum half looks good enough to beat Cardiff. Not expecting a classic.
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Re: 1872 Cup Runners Up

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They will be holding one or two back for the Ulster game. Hardie was good last week.
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If we go through, Pau didn't look too threatening against Stade Français.

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whatisthejava
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Anyone got a link for the ed gamne
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whatisthejava wrote:Anyone got a link for the ed gamne
https://livesportshd.net/sky-sports-action
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Cardiff players think they are at the swimming pool come ruck time.

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Gag try

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hugh_woatmeigh
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Re: 1872 Cup Runners Up

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How did Edinburgh think they'd get away with playing this turgid crap?

Cardiff lack the skill but are at least trying to punch holes with the forwards and then put some pace on it out wide or play clever kicks. Edinburgh have no answer to the latter at all.

Shocking.
BlackCat1978
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Re: 1872 Cup Runners Up

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Fuck me, Edinburgh are dire today! Can someone please shoot Fowles ASAP
hugh_woatmeigh
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Re: 1872 Cup Runners Up

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BlackCat1978 wrote:Fuck me, Edinburgh are dire today! Can someone please shoot Fowles ASAP
He is stealing a wage. Honestly not good enough to be a professional yet here he is. First choice 9 in a euro knockout game.
whatisthejava
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Re: 1872 Cup Runners Up

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Edinburgh forwards are 3 yards off the pace. They need to start putting more men in the ruck or their screwed.
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Fowles putting in one of the worst halves by a 9 for while.
hugh_woatmeigh
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Would swap the 9 and 10 axis at half time.
whatisthejava
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Can’t believe how lacking ed look. Fowles needs hooked as does Jordan lay. Need to start dragging Cardiff into a arm wrestle
hugh_woatmeigh
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Re: 1872 Cup Runners Up

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whatisthejava wrote:Can’t believe how lacking ed look. Fowles needs hooked as does Jordan lay. Need to start dragging Cardiff into a arm wrestle
No they need to inject pace and power into the game. Change 9 and 10 and try to open them up. The old Edinburgh arm wrestle won't over-turn an 11 point deficit in 40 minutes. Weir is in fine form and anybody is better than Fowles.
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Re: 1872 Cup Runners Up

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A replacement for Kinghorn that will actually deal with those Cardiff chip kicks would also be welcome. But apparently it made much more sense to have a 10 and a 10/12 on the bench for Edinburgh so that option doesn't actually exist.
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Re: 1872 Cup Runners Up

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Even when fast ball is available fowles puts his hand on it and waits.
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