Stones of granite wrote:That's now £6.3bn committed to planning for a no-deal Brexit. It seems rather a large amount of money for an outcome that has been described by the clown-in-chief as having a "vanishingly small" probability of happening.
Does that sum include the vast numbers of civil servants from all departments being redirected into Brexit planning? And does that sum include a calculation for lost progression and lost efficiencies elsewhere owing to so much focus going on Brexit?
I know it doesn't include the fact the economy is already billions of pounds worse off and investment continues to stagnate. But at least Raab was honest about us going for no deal and the consequences of that, else he'd be a useless lying arsehole (possibly a delusional one in fairness)
Stones of granite wrote:That's now £6.3bn committed to planning for a no-deal Brexit. It seems rather a large amount of money for an outcome that has been described by the clown-in-chief as having a "vanishingly small" probability of happening.
Does that sum include the vast numbers of civil servants from all departments being redirected into Brexit planning? And does that sum include a calculation for lost progression and lost efficiencies elsewhere owing to so much focus going on Brexit?
I know it doesn't include the fact the economy is already billions of pounds worse off and investment continues to stagnate. But at least Raab was honest about us going for no deal and the consequences of that, else he'd be a useless lying arsehole (possibly a delusional one in fairness)
No idea tbh. It's not even clear if the latest £2.1bn is a new money, or if some if it overlaps with the previously announced £4.2bn.
But for me, it does give the lie to BoJo's promises that they are trying to reach a deal. It looks to me like they are deliberately and consciously heading for a no-deal crash out, and all this manoeuvring is aimed at trying to place the blame on the EU.
I'm really, really glad that I'm not a sheep farmer right now.
Stones of granite wrote:That's now £6.3bn committed to planning for a no-deal Brexit. It seems rather a large amount of money for an outcome that has been described by the clown-in-chief as having a "vanishingly small" probability of happening.
Does that sum include the vast numbers of civil servants from all departments being redirected into Brexit planning? And does that sum include a calculation for lost progression and lost efficiencies elsewhere owing to so much focus going on Brexit?
I know it doesn't include the fact the economy is already billions of pounds worse off and investment continues to stagnate. But at least Raab was honest about us going for no deal and the consequences of that, else he'd be a useless lying arsehole (possibly a delusional one in fairness)
No idea tbh. It's not even clear if the latest £2.1bn is a new money, or if some if it overlaps with the previously announced £4.2bn.
But for me, it does give the lie to BoJo's promises that they are trying to reach a deal. It looks to me like they are deliberately and consciously heading for a no-deal crash out, and all this manoeuvring is aimed at trying to place the blame on the EU.
I'm really, really glad that I'm not a sheep farmer right now.
There is some merit in the idea that the only way to get a deal is to threaten no deal, but we've never seemingly had a good handle on what the EU can reasonably offer us, not what we're willing to trade for it. And there does remain if we go no deal the EU can cherry pick going forwards as we then start to assemble a deal, and this is a particular concern for Fintech as the EU right now physically can't replace what London does, not on a product or regulatory front, but if we give them time they can start to pull at the threads as and when they're ready to take business off London
Doesn't seem to be much change recently. Still can't get answers out of government as a country of a business. Parliament doesn't know what it wants or whether it even has any options left, and the government seems settled it can ignore parliament until it's all done in any event.
Why Parliament pissed so many chances to take control of this process away up the wall I don't know, bar it's seen many putting party over country.
Digby wrote:Doesn't seem to be much change recently. Still can't get answers out of government as a country of a business. Parliament doesn't know what it wants or whether it even has any options left, and the government seems settled it can ignore parliament until it's all done in any event.
Why Parliament pissed so many chances to take control of this process away up the wall I don't know, bar it's seen many putting party over country.
Some of those indicative votes were very close, just a bit of compromise and we could have had a semi sensible answer.
Digby wrote:Doesn't seem to be much change recently. Still can't get answers out of government as a country of a business. Parliament doesn't know what it wants or whether it even has any options left, and the government seems settled it can ignore parliament until it's all done in any event.
Why Parliament pissed so many chances to take control of this process away up the wall I don't know, bar it's seen many putting party over country.
The Emotionless,Rich and Greedy group knows exactly what it wants. Deregulation,deregulation and deregulation.
We've seen what Orban has done to employment law and what Trump is doing to environmental law. The ERG will have it's eyes on the pensions and insurance sector, the accountancy industry and the banking sector. Three areas where this country desperately need tighter regulation. But that ain't what the ERG psychopaths wants.
I see the Telegraph are leading with the headline - "Boris isn't bluffing" - as if they are still trying to convince us that he is interested in negotiating but is taking a strong line. Of course, his puppetmaster has absolutely no intention of allowing him to negotiate and his plan has been a no-deal crash out from the beginning.
The lie that he believes that the chances of a no-deal Brexit are 1 in a million is become ever more exposed.
Digby wrote:Doesn't seem to be much change recently. Still can't get answers out of government as a country of a business. Parliament doesn't know what it wants or whether it even has any options left, and the government seems settled it can ignore parliament until it's all done in any event.
Why Parliament pissed so many chances to take control of this process away up the wall I don't know, bar it's seen many putting party over country.
Some of those indicative votes were very close, just a bit of compromise and we could have had a semi sensible answer.
Hard to see a way out now. We either need legislation now saying absent of a deal the government is instructed to revoke A50, or in the event Boris loses a vote of confidence we need a government of national unity ready to take over else Boris can delay until after we've left (probably, based on what the lawyers say)
Or I suppose Boris could land a good deal, but that seems less likely still.
I see that Gove has now waded in, blaming the EU for refusing to negotiate. Entirely predictable and consistent with Dominic's strategy for a no-deal Brexit.
Stones of granite wrote:I see that Gove has now waded in, blaming the EU for refusing to negotiate. Entirely predictable and consistent with Dominic's strategy for a no-deal Brexit.
A position that one Michael Gove was calling retarded just a few weeks back
Digby wrote:Doesn't seem to be much change recently. Still can't get answers out of government as a country of a business. Parliament doesn't know what it wants or whether it even has any options left, and the government seems settled it can ignore parliament until it's all done in any event.
Why Parliament pissed so many chances to take control of this process away up the wall I don't know, bar it's seen many putting party over country.
Some of those indicative votes were very close, just a bit of compromise and we could have had a semi sensible answer.
Hard to see a way out now. We either need legislation now saying absent of a deal the government is instructed to revoke A50, or in the event Boris loses a vote of confidence we need a government of national unity ready to take over else Boris can delay until after we've left (probably, based on what the lawyers say)
Or I suppose Boris could land a good deal, but that seems less likely still.
MPs (re) screwed the pooch, as was always likely. They are cretins.
Digby wrote:Doesn't seem to be much change recently. Still can't get answers out of government as a country of a business. Parliament doesn't know what it wants or whether it even has any options left, and the government seems settled it can ignore parliament until it's all done in any event.
Why Parliament pissed so many chances to take control of this process away up the wall I don't know, bar it's seen many putting party over country.
Some of those indicative votes were very close, just a bit of compromise and we could have had a semi sensible answer.
Hard to see a way out now. We either need legislation now saying absent of a deal the government is instructed to revoke A50, or in the event Boris loses a vote of confidence we need a government of national unity ready to take over else Boris can delay until after we've left (probably, based on what the lawyers say)
Or I suppose Boris could land a good deal, but that seems less likely still.
Unless the E27 completely cave in, then it’s going to be a no deal exit. I’d actually be happy to see Corbym bring down a Conservative government to avoid that fate. But if Boris’ talk of carrying on regardless is true, even a vote of no confidence might not be enough to avoid a complete crash out.
The only solutions that will avoid a No Deal Brexit to my mind are either a court challenge or a vote of no confidence followed by a temporary government of national unity that lasted long enough to seek an extension.
Thankfully, the latter hope has been thoroughly quashed by the increasingly shite opposition, as Labour have come out and said that they're not interested in the government of national unity ideas as they'd rather have a General Election. The useless cunts. Boris has already made it clear that an election would just be delayed until after 31st October, making that utterly pointless in stopping No Deal, so taking that approach is supporting No Deal by any other name. And what exactly do they think would happen after the GoNU apart from a General Election? It's not like they're going to be stuck serving in a Kenneth Clarke administration for 5 years - it would last just long enough to not crash out and *then* there'd be your sodding precious election.
Corbyn still wants to crash out, and not get tagged for it. It's in no way surprising he doesn't want to play ball.
Whether there are the numbers in parliament to defy their party leadership I really don't know, and that might start in any event to provoke the sort of crisis that Boris losing a vote of confidence and staying on anyway would result in.
Which brings us back to why did the MPs pass up so many chances to not be in this mess? It's just baffling, and insulting they're now starting to claim they've been had.
"There has been so much discussion in recent days about whether or not a Johnson administration, hell bent on no deal, can be stopped. Let me save all of you the bother. It can. Of course it can. If those against no-deal were willing to strain every sinew, break every party bond, abandon all other political interest and jettison precedent, they could.
They have the power, it is up to them. In other words: they would need to behave as their opponents do"
Has anyone read anything from Dominic Cumming's blog? Most of it is extremely long-winded and barely penetrable, but there are a couple of entries that are definitely worthwhile persevering with. https://dominiccummings.com/2014/06/16/ ... ay-part-i/
Digby wrote:Corbyn still wants to crash out, and not get tagged for it. It's in no way surprising he doesn't want to play ball.
Whether there are the numbers in parliament to defy their party leadership I really don't know, and that might start in any event to provoke the sort of crisis that Boris losing a vote of confidence and staying on anyway would result in.
Which brings us back to why did the MPs pass up so many chances to not be in this mess? It's just baffling, and insulting they're now starting to claim they've been had.
Very much so, they took control of the process- having overwhelmingly voted to trigger A50, to be clear- and made an utter mess out of it. Hindsight says that the WA was much better than what we now face- even BoJo and Mogg finally worked that one out.
With only 4 months to go to Brexit, Mrs May does seem to have united the House - AGAINST her plan for withdrawal from the EU. Commentators are suggesting she may lose next months vote by up to 200, which would be a huge defeat.
What would happen then is anyones guess.
