Europe - in or out - RR Votes

[fivepointer]

Goodness we are going to need some adroit, farsighted and incredibly wise leadership to navigate our path over the next few years.

Pity that we look likely to be stuck with Johnson as the next PM.

Truly challenging times ahead.

[Banquo]

Very true, but that didn't necessarily meant he had to announce this now. There is plainly going to be a lot of work to do, a leadership election is a distraction. Also, as that 2@ IDS said a while back in a moment of clarity, the divisive and hysterical nature of the Remain campaign will have consequences after the result for unity within the Conservative Party; they are at each other's throats just when they should be pulling together and that helps nobody.

I guess if there is at least one positive to take out of this, he's left the Tories a potential dumpster fire of a party.

The dumpster fire will probably result in Michael Gove taking charge, and he'll make Cameron look like Bernie f*cking Sanders.

pretty much the consequence half the country didn't appear to spot.

[Banquo]

Goodness we are going to need some adroit, farsighted and incredibly wise leadership to navigate our path over the next few years.

Pity that we look likely to be stuck with Johnson as the next PM.

Truly challenging times ahead.

seems that 50% wanted this. or didn't spot it would happen.

I'm startled, tbh.

[bruce]

Went to bed last night amongst the smugness of the Remainians confident of victory. Woke up this morning with the sun shining down on the righteous. Although I voted Leave, I didn't think as a nation we would have the balls to do it. I like the bookies was wrong. The people have spoken so lets stop the bitching and whining, and crack on.

[bruce]

Any news on what is happening with the Euro? Could do with it falling in line with the pound really or my holiday is going to be more expensive that expected.

[rowan]

A little stunned and disappointed by this, but Cameron's announced his resignation apparently, so I guess that's the silver lining. Im not British but worked hard to get a British passport just so I could work in the EU. Ironically I haven't done so for more than a decade now, but it was always nice to have that option.

[Billyfish]

If the referendum results went against the Remain option, his days as PM were numbered, and welp. I guess the only real surprise is how quick it really was.

Very true, but that didn't necessarily meant he had to announce this now. There is plainly going to be a lot of work to do, a leadership election is a distraction. Also, as that 2@ IDS said a while back in a moment of clarity, the divisive and hysterical nature of the Remain campaign will have consequences after the result for unity within the Conservative Party; they are at each other's throats just when they should be pulling together and that helps nobody.

I guess if there is at least one positive to take out of this, he's left the Tories a potential dumpster fire of a party.

As fun as that would be to watch, I'm not sure it's the best thing for the UK in general at the mo. Will probably help pull the party to the right as said. Looks like a similar fate awaits Labour, with dissatisfaction with Corbyn's efforts (or perceived non-efforts) in the campaign. That's not very helpful either, might pull them back right if they go back down the Noo Labour Plastic Tory route.

On the plus side, bar some post-referendum interviews of smugness, Farage's raison d'etre has gone and he should disappear in a puff of smoke after a month or two.

[Pie Man]

Any news on what is happening with the Euro? Could do with it falling in line with the pound really or my holiday is going to be more expensive that expected.

Reality bites now eh?

[bruce]

Any news on what is happening with the Euro? Could do with it falling in line with the pound really or my holiday is going to be more expensive that expected.

Reality bites now eh?

Happy to take the short term hit for the greater good.

[WiganShark]

I sort of felt we were out after listening to a conversation in the doctor's yesterday waiting for an MOT...

Oldish guy with wife... So what do you think about this referendum then?

Other old guy... I think we should leave, they just take all our money and we get nout back.

I, you’re right £350 Million a week they get, and we get nout. We didn’t fight two world wars for this did we and what about all these immigrants country’s not your own.?

I, It’s a disgrace, if we can beat Hitler we can beat this lot, I’ll admit Yanks helped out a bit though.

I, Even Thatcher would have done a better job than this lot, she’d have done a better job negotiating than Cameron, what did he come back with, nout.
Wife chirps in, didn't like Thatcher but I agree, never did like Brown look at the mess he got us in and that Tony Blair, he had a lot to do with it,
Hubby, No not Brown or Blair it was erm?

I, your right mate we didn’t fight two World wars for this, we can look after ourselves, we always have, England football doing all right though, through to the next round...

[bruce]

Sharks are circling Corbyn. They'd be foolish to do so, this referendum has highlighted again the huge disconnect between Labours PMP's and grass root support.

[Banquo]

Any news on what is happening with the Euro? Could do with it falling in line with the pound really or my holiday is going to be more expensive that expected.

pound is down against the euro, and its your fault! Its tanked against the dollar, now means we are down one place in the economy league table..overtaken by France.

One thing we must hope doesn't happen is our credit rating being downgraded, S and P are predicting that.

[Banquo]

A little stunned and disappointed by this, but Cameron's announced his resignation apparently, so I guess that's the silver lining. Im not British but worked hard to get a British passport just so I could work in the EU. Ironically I haven't done so for more than a decade now, but it was always nice to have that option.

..you wait, he'll look liberal compared to what happens next

[bruce]

Any news on what is happening with the Euro? Could do with it falling in line with the pound really or my holiday is going to be more expensive that expected.

pound is down against the euro, and its your fault! Its tanked against the dollar, now means we are down one place in the economy league table..overtaken by France.

One thing we must hope doesn't happen is our credit rating being downgraded, S and P are predicting that.

Sorry

Although the rebound has already begun against the dollar hasn't it? Normal kneejerk reaction by the markets.

[Pie Man]

Any news on what is happening with the Euro? Could do with it falling in line with the pound really or my holiday is going to be more expensive that expected.

pound is down against the euro, and its your fault! Its tanked against the dollar, now means we are down one place in the economy league table..overtaken by France.

One thing we must hope doesn't happen is our credit rating being downgraded, S and P are predicting that.

Sorry

Although the rebound has already begun against the dollar hasn't it? Normal kneejerk reaction by the markets.

The old "dead-cat bounce". Lot's of things can still compound the scenario - what happens re general election/tory leadership, when article 50 is invoked, Scottish referendum (inevitable really). We'll have to wait and see.

[Len]

Goodness we are going to need some adroit, farsighted and incredibly wise leadership to navigate our path over the next few years.

Pity that we look likely to be stuck with Johnson as the next PM.

Truly challenging times ahead.

And no you can't have McCaw.

[bruce]

pound is down against the euro, and its your fault! Its tanked against the dollar, now means we are down one place in the economy league table..overtaken by France.

One thing we must hope doesn't happen is our credit rating being downgraded, S and P are predicting that.

Sorry

Although the rebound has already begun against the dollar hasn't it? Normal kneejerk reaction by the markets.

The old "dead-cat bounce". Lot's of things can still compound the scenario - what happens re general election/tory leadership, when article 50 is invoked, Scottish referendum (inevitable really). We'll have to wait and see.

I don't see the appetite in another Scottish referendum, especially with the reasoning of the EU membership at the heart of it. If they want to join the EU as a new member then they'll have to abide by all the new member conditions including taking on the euro. I don't see that happening.

[Lizard]

EU Presidents say, "Well if that's your attitude, you can fuck off now then."

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press ... eferendum/

[Sandydragon]

Apparently, the Parliamentary Labour Party have tabled a motion of no confidence in Corbyn. Can they get rid of him?

[Which Tyler]

"You have to admire Leave Brits. They were so worried about immigrants ruining their economy than they preempted it by doing it themselves." - Emile Hokayem


"...and in the end, Britain, which had colonized the world, destroyed itself in fantasies it was being colonized in turn." - Ted Scheinman

[bruce]

A lot of heat of the moment bluster going on, give it a day or two and hopefully common sense will prevail.

[Mellsblue]

Blydi marvellous. Against a tide of misinformation, media bias and scaremongering. Welcome to the new world, let the fake panic begin.

Sorry, you think this result went against the tide of media bias?

well quite..the media were pretty pro brexit on the whole, certainly mass circulation papers.

Except The Times, The Mirror, The Guardian and, I think, The I......

[Billyfish]

Facebook page is unreadable. Full of hysteria and hyperbole. Another consequence of ramping up the fear I guess is that the aftermath (for either side) was always going to provoke an over reaction. Especially from Londoners. Some very sensible people with some highly outlandish gushings. I blame Diana Spencer.

[jared_7]

Apparently, the Parliamentary Labour Party have tabled a motion of no confidence in Corbyn. Can they get rid of him?

Great, a huge shift to the right within the Tories and a huge shift to the right within Labour, for good measure.

Good luck, people.

[Sandydragon]

Sorry, you think this result went against the tide of media bias?

well quite..the media were pretty pro brexit on the whole, certainly mass circulation papers.

Except The Times, The Mirror, The Guardian and, I think, The I......

The civil service wasn't exactly quiet before the purdah either. I don't think the remain side can complain about the lack of media support or publicity in general.

If there are 3 key critiques of the remain campaign that spring to mind:

They didn't sound like a unified team - the official leave campaign did. Key messages were maintained and they got through.
I don't think politicians fully grasped the concerns over immigration (right or wrong).
Their campaign was built solely on fear. where were the positives of remaining in the EU? They seemed to be drowned out by the politics of fear, including the proposed punishment budget.