Sandydragon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 11:50 am
Nigel Farage is apparently planning a return to front-line politics in order to fight the Tory betrayal of Brexit if the Swiss alignment plan were to proceed.
The BBC will be dusting down his permanent seat at Question Time.
I'd like to say that I've missed that chirpy little cnut, but that would be a lie. If he does come back to make a big issue of Brexit betrayal then the Tories are properly screwed. Labour will take a few hits along the way as well, but many safe Tory MPs in the south will be feeling very nervous.
I think the best thing for the Conservatives is a period of opposition and a policy alignment on what they actually stand for. Under Johnson, it was anything for anyone which is obviously bollocks. Hopefully, that would include a purging of the UKIP nutters.
I was having a look at the polls a while back and musing that there are plenty of Tory voters who might not be keen on Sunak, but wouldn't dream of voting Labour because sOcIaLiSm or Lib Dem because eUrOpE, but for whom Reform or Respect or whatever UKIP's bastard child is called would be an option if they cannprove themselves credible.
If Rebound drew even 7% of the vote nationally, it would be disasterous for the Conservatives. Our stupid electoral system would deny them any representation, but it would turn any marginals into walkovers and likely condemn the Tories to double digit MPs.
Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:36 pm
The BBC will be dusting down his permanent seat at Question Time.
I'd like to say that I've missed that chirpy little cnut, but that would be a lie. If he does come back to make a big issue of Brexit betrayal then the Tories are properly screwed. Labour will take a few hits along the way as well, but many safe Tory MPs in the south will be feeling very nervous.
I think the best thing for the Conservatives is a period of opposition and a policy alignment on what they actually stand for. Under Johnson, it was anything for anyone which is obviously bollocks. Hopefully, that would include a purging of the UKIP nutters.
I was having a look at the polls a while back and musing that there are plenty of Tory voters who might not be keen on Sunak, but wouldn't dream of voting Labour because sOcIaLiSm or Lib Dem because eUrOpE, but for whom Reform or Respect or whatever UKIP's bastard child is called would be an option if they cannprove themselves credible.
If Rebound drew even 7% of the vote nationally, it would be disasterous for the Conservatives. Our stupid electoral system would deny them any representation, but it would turn any marginals into walkovers and likely condemn the Tories to double digit MPs.
Puja
Reform and yes. Huge irony for the Tories- referendum to rid ourselves of UKIP once and for all; bollox, now we have to do Brexit. Now Brexit leads to Boris, then Truss. Now UKIP comes back. FFS.
I'd like to say that I've missed that chirpy little cnut, but that would be a lie. If he does come back to make a big issue of Brexit betrayal then the Tories are properly screwed. Labour will take a few hits along the way as well, but many safe Tory MPs in the south will be feeling very nervous.
I think the best thing for the Conservatives is a period of opposition and a policy alignment on what they actually stand for. Under Johnson, it was anything for anyone which is obviously bollocks. Hopefully, that would include a purging of the UKIP nutters.
I was having a look at the polls a while back and musing that there are plenty of Tory voters who might not be keen on Sunak, but wouldn't dream of voting Labour because sOcIaLiSm or Lib Dem because eUrOpE, but for whom Reform or Respect or whatever UKIP's bastard child is called would be an option if they cannprove themselves credible.
If Rebound drew even 7% of the vote nationally, it would be disasterous for the Conservatives. Our stupid electoral system would deny them any representation, but it would turn any marginals into walkovers and likely condemn the Tories to double digit MPs.
Puja
Reform and yes. Huge irony for the Tories- referendum to rid ourselves of UKIP once and for all; bollox, now we have to do Brexit. Now Brexit leads to Boris, then Truss. Now UKIP comes back. FFS.
There’s some major irony there.
And if Labour and liberals can do a bit of tactical mischief then it will get very ugly for the conservatives. Although binning their nutter supporters and letting UKIP or whatever keep them might be the price for being seen as a sensible party again.
It's certainly true that Reform UK has had a minor uptick in support since Sunak appeared. It would only take a few more % to make them the UK's 3rd place party (albeit a very distant one, and only because the LibDems' vote share has actually dropped while the Tories went through their recent self-destruction).
The Tories used Brexit as a weapon to win the 2019 election. It would be totally poetic for them to be unable to escape it (and Farage). What a joy it would be for the Right's vote to be split for once.
Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:08 am
It's certainly true that Reform UK has had a minor uptick in support since Sunak appeared. It would only take a few more % to make them the UK's 3rd place party (albeit a very distant one, and only because the LibDems' vote share has actually dropped while the Tories went through their recent self-destruction).
The Tories used Brexit as a weapon to win the 2019 election. It would be totally poetic for them to be unable to escape it (and Farage). What a joy it would be for the Right's vote to be split for once.
And would actually add major momentum to the demand for electoral reform. If both Lib Dem and Rewind got 9% and Lib Dems got 29 seats while Rebrand got 0 (not to mention the SNP getting 45+ on 4% of the vote), there'd be a bigger group of people suddenly aware of how much our electoral system sucks.
I remember the last time it happened - everyone swallowing the media's stories about AV and professing uninformed opinions that FPtP was great, only to be howling in outrage when their Brexit Party vote in 2015 didn't get them a single MP. Of course, that groundswell of anger was somewhat undercut by our dabbling in direct democracy the year after.
Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:08 am
It's certainly true that Reform UK has had a minor uptick in support since Sunak appeared. It would only take a few more % to make them the UK's 3rd place party (albeit a very distant one, and only because the LibDems' vote share has actually dropped while the Tories went through their recent self-destruction).
The Tories used Brexit as a weapon to win the 2019 election. It would be totally poetic for them to be unable to escape it (and Farage). What a joy it would be for the Right's vote to be split for once.
And would actually add major momentum to the demand for electoral reform. If both Lib Dem and Rewind got 9% and Lib Dems got 29 seats while Rebrand got 0 (not to mention the SNP getting 45+ on 4% of the vote), there'd be a bigger group of people suddenly aware of how much our electoral system sucks.
I remember the last time it happened - everyone swallowing the media's stories about AV and professing uninformed opinions that FPtP was great, only to be howling in outrage when their Brexit Party vote in 2015 didn't get them a single MP. Of course, that groundswell of anger was somewhat undercut by our dabbling in direct democracy the year after.
Puja
I've given up on PR ever happening here.
I'm going to take whatever consolation I can get from Labour (probably) winning the next election and (probably) making things better in some disappointingly new labourish way.
Revealed: secret cross-party summit held to confront failings of Brexit
Leading Brexiters and remainers, including Michael Gove and David Lammy, met for two-day ‘private discussion’ with diplomats and business leaders
An extraordinary cross-party summit bringing together leading leavers and remainers – including Michael Gove and senior members of Keir Starmer’s shadow cabinet – has been held in high secrecy to address the failings of Brexit and how to remedy them in the national interest, the Observer can reveal.
The two-day gathering of some of the country’s most senior Labour and Tory politicians from both sides of the Brexit debate, together with diplomats, defence experts and the heads of some of the biggest businesses and banks, was held at the historic Ditchley Park retreat in Oxfordshire on Thursday afternoon and evening, and on Friday. ...
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Sandydragon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 7:29 pm
And WTF does too embarrassed to admit mean? Can people seriously not give a straight answer anymore?
Technically, the answer was "prefer not to say" - which I took to mean something like "Truss, but I know I shouldn't think that" or "Sunak, but I don't want to admit that because he's brown"
It could also mean "[any of the three] but really, fuck you for making me answer this question, it's like asking whether I'd prefer to eat lion shit or tiger shit"
Sandydragon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 7:29 pm
And WTF does too embarrassed to admit mean? Can people seriously not give a straight answer anymore?
Technically, the answer was "prefer not to say" - which I took to mean something like "Truss, but I know I shouldn't think that" or "Sunak, but I don't want to admit that because he's brown"
It could also mean "[any of the three] but really, fuck you for making me answer this question, it's like asking whether I'd prefer to eat lion shit or tiger shit"
Huh. I was assuming "Prefer not to say" would be shy Boris fans.
Sandydragon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 7:29 pm
And WTF does too embarrassed to admit mean? Can people seriously not give a straight answer anymore?
Technically, the answer was "prefer not to say" - which I took to mean something like "Truss, but I know I shouldn't think that" or "Sunak, but I don't want to admit that because he's brown"
It could also mean "[any of the three] but really, fuck you for making me answer this question, it's like asking whether I'd prefer to eat lion shit or tiger shit"
Huh. I was assuming "Prefer not to say" would be shy Boris fans.
Puja
Or shy Truss fans. Which would be quite understandable I suppose
Technically, the answer was "prefer not to say" - which I took to mean something like "Truss, but I know I shouldn't think that" or "Sunak, but I don't want to admit that because he's brown"
It could also mean "[any of the three] but really, fuck you for making me answer this question, it's like asking whether I'd prefer to eat lion shit or tiger shit"
Huh. I was assuming "Prefer not to say" would be shy Boris fans.
Puja
Or shy Truss fans. Which would be quite understandable I suppose
Or Nadine Dorries trying to spam multiple votes for Boris with her usual efficiency and accuracy.
morepork wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 5:25 pm
This UK government are such easy, easy marks for lobbyists. Bye Bye environmental protections. What total fuckheads.
They want to give power to the private sector. That's what funds their party. That's what their ideology is. And, I suspect, that's what's paying them in their secret, tax haven accounts.
Not for the first or last time...how the absolute fuck has that prick Farage got as much traction as he has?
It was so much easier to blame Them. It was bleakly depressing to think They were Us. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
