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Mikey Brown wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:57 am
Oakboy wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:50 am
Which Tyler wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:38 am
It won't be interesting, it'll be Roots
Probably, though that could mean Dombrandt still on the bench when logic suggests a lock.
What logic? Coles and Roots and no number 8 cover?
Chessum packed down at 8 last week so maybe he's considered adequate cover. Roots would probably do the job efficiently too.
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Puja wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:55 am.

Although, knowing him, he'll probably pick someone left-field like Pepper.

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Now you are talking!!!
That’s the intent I want to see from this squad. No ‘ooh they are big’ more ‘stop us if ya can’ attitude

…… it will be reliable Roots
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Oakboy wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:04 am
Mikey Brown wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:57 am
Oakboy wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:50 am

Probably, though that could mean Dombrandt still on the bench when logic suggests a lock.
What logic? Coles and Roots and no number 8 cover?
Chessum packed down at 8 last week so maybe he's considered adequate cover. Roots would probably do the job efficiently too.
Roots has played 8 before iirc.

I liked the Chessum at 8 idea on the defensive scrums. Allowed Earl and Underhill to be breaking off the flanks quickly to stop Irish strike moves.
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FKAS wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:45 am
Oakboy wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:04 am
Mikey Brown wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:57 am

What logic? Coles and Roots and no number 8 cover?
Chessum packed down at 8 last week so maybe he's considered adequate cover. Roots would probably do the job efficiently too.
Roots has played 8 before iirc.

I liked the Chessum at 8 idea on the defensive scrums. Allowed Earl and Underhill to be breaking off the flanks quickly to stop Irish strike moves.
I just don't see what Domrandt offers for this match. If he punched his weight, perhaps, but against those French forwards? Let's face it, barring serious injury, Earl will do the 80 anyway. I suppose you could make a case for Dombrandt at about 65 if we were well ahead but as serious 'whole game' cover, I think it's risky.
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Banquo wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:53 am
Puja wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:52 am
Banquo wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:50 am

eh? I remember him playing a lot on the right for Saints, and earlier this season for England. Was he on the left in Oz, in which case its a long time ago for an old chap. (to be clear, I wasn't claiming he'd never played on the left).
I believe he was indeed on the left on the Australia tour.

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memory fail then. I'll revise my point- iirc (which has to now be questioned) he's played nearly all his wing rugby on the right, esp since then.
I wasn’t meaning to make a particularly serious point of any of it, other than that he seems to be fine at 11,13, 14, 15, which is great.

He seems to switch wings quite comfortably, presumably just at the preference of the other wingers. I can’t remember which NH wing it is that seems to prefer 14. Seems like Sleightholme has transferred fully to being a left wing though.
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Oakboy wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:53 am
FKAS wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:45 am
Oakboy wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:04 am

Chessum packed down at 8 last week so maybe he's considered adequate cover. Roots would probably do the job efficiently too.
Roots has played 8 before iirc.

I liked the Chessum at 8 idea on the defensive scrums. Allowed Earl and Underhill to be breaking off the flanks quickly to stop Irish strike moves.
I just don't see what Domrandt offers for this match. If he punched his weight, perhaps, but against those French forwards? Let's face it, barring serious injury, Earl will do the 80 anyway. I suppose you could make a case for Dombrandt at about 65 if we were well ahead but as serious 'whole game' cover, I think it's risky.
Yeah, Dombrant feels a luxury option at the minute. It's probable that Itoje, Chessum and Martin will join Earl in playing most of the 80 bar injury so an injury cover option like Coles makes sense alongside Roots. Does lack a bit of impact but do we have anyone else in the squad that'll add impact as a forward?
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FKAS wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 11:14 am
Oakboy wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:53 am
FKAS wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:45 am

Roots has played 8 before iirc.

I liked the Chessum at 8 idea on the defensive scrums. Allowed Earl and Underhill to be breaking off the flanks quickly to stop Irish strike moves.
I just don't see what Domrandt offers for this match. If he punched his weight, perhaps, but against those French forwards? Let's face it, barring serious injury, Earl will do the 80 anyway. I suppose you could make a case for Dombrandt at about 65 if we were well ahead but as serious 'whole game' cover, I think it's risky.
Yeah, Dombrant feels a luxury option at the minute. It's probable that Itoje, Chessum and Martin will join Earl in playing most of the 80 bar injury so an injury cover option like Coles makes sense alongside Roots. Does lack a bit of impact but do we have anyone else in the squad that'll add impact as a forward?
I'd say Chessum is the one likely guaranteed player to be substituted, if he's playing on the flank and doing a lot more running. He's the one we need to plan around.

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As expected, there are no changes to the French 23, but worthy of note is the selection of Posolo Tuilagi in the U20 team in tomorrow evening’s fixture in Pau against England. You’ll remember that he made his senior début earlier in the tournament. Le XV de départ : 15. Barré ; 14. Penaud, 13. Fickou, 12. Depoortere, 11. Bielle-Biarrey ; 10. Ramos ; 9. Le Garrec ; 7.Ollivon, 8. Alldritt (cap), 6. Cros ; 5.Meafou, 4. Flament ; 3. Atonio, 2. Marchand, 1. Baille.

Remplaçants : 16. Mauvaka, 17. S. Taofifenua, 18. Colombe, 19. R. Taofifenua, 20. Roumat, 21. Boudehent, 22. Lucu, 23. Moefana.
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Anything you can say about Barre? I missed the Wales game and don't think I've ever seen him play.

Is Depoortere not an out and out 13? I'd assumed they would have moved Fickou in one, but maybe it's not worth messing with his defensive role.
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Mikey Brown wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 11:11 am
Banquo wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:53 am
Puja wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:52 am

I believe he was indeed on the left on the Australia tour.

Puja
memory fail then. I'll revise my point- iirc (which has to now be questioned) he's played nearly all his wing rugby on the right, esp since then.
I wasn’t meaning to make a particularly serious point of any of it, other than that he seems to be fine at 11,13, 14, 15, which is great.

He seems to switch wings quite comfortably, presumably just at the preference of the other wingers. I can’t remember which NH wing it is that seems to prefer 14. Seems like Sleightholme has transferred fully to being a left wing though.
yep, I fkd up too :)
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Oakboy wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:04 am
Mikey Brown wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:57 am
Oakboy wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:50 am

Probably, though that could mean Dombrandt still on the bench when logic suggests a lock.
What logic? Coles and Roots and no number 8 cover?
Chessum packed down at 8 last week so maybe he's considered adequate cover.
only in defence. Big difference.
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Mikey Brown wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 11:52 am Anything you can say about Barre? I missed the Wales game and don't think I've ever seen him play.

He struck a chord with me..
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francoisfou wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 11:26 am As expected, there are no changes to the French 23, but worthy of note is the selection of Posolo Tuilagi in the U20 team in tomorrow evening’s fixture in Pau against England. You’ll remember that he made his senior début earlier in the tournament. Le XV de départ : 15. Barré ; 14. Penaud, 13. Fickou, 12. Depoortere, 11. Bielle-Biarrey ; 10. Ramos ; 9. Le Garrec ; 7.Ollivon, 8. Alldritt (cap), 6. Cros ; 5.Meafou, 4. Flament ; 3. Atonio, 2. Marchand, 1. Baille.

Remplaçants : 16. Mauvaka, 17. S. Taofifenua, 18. Colombe, 19. R. Taofifenua, 20. Roumat, 21. Boudehent, 22. Lucu, 23. Moefana.
Strikes me as somewhat mean to put Posolo into the U20s! Still, it'll be a good challenge for our lot to learn to deal with someone of that size.

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Puja wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 11:22 am
FKAS wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 11:14 am
Oakboy wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:53 am

I just don't see what Domrandt offers for this match. If he punched his weight, perhaps, but against those French forwards? Let's face it, barring serious injury, Earl will do the 80 anyway. I suppose you could make a case for Dombrandt at about 65 if we were well ahead but as serious 'whole game' cover, I think it's risky.
Yeah, Dombrant feels a luxury option at the minute. It's probable that Itoje, Chessum and Martin will join Earl in playing most of the 80 bar injury so an injury cover option like Coles makes sense alongside Roots. Does lack a bit of impact but do we have anyone else in the squad that'll add impact as a forward?
I'd say Chessum is the one likely guaranteed player to be substituted, if he's playing on the flank and doing a lot more running. He's the one we need to plan around.

Puja
Underhill has been subbed around the same time as the props each game hasn't he? I'd assume he's the planned sub first.
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Banquo wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 11:56 am
Mikey Brown wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 11:52 am Anything you can say about Barre? I missed the Wales game and don't think I've ever seen him play.

He struck a chord with me..
But not as good as Pilates
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Could be Tuilagi's swansong in advance of a possible move to club in Fra, (off the bench one would imagine) - another reason for the group to make it a special one ;)
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p/d wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:59 pm
Banquo wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 11:56 am
Mikey Brown wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 11:52 am Anything you can say about Barre? I missed the Wales game and don't think I've ever seen him play.

He struck a chord with me..
But not as good as Pilates
I've washed my hands of that
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Slade out. Steward in with Furbank at 12! Did not see that one coming.
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Mikey Brown wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 1:10 pm Slade out. Steward in with Furbank at 12! Did not see that one coming.
wtaf

Dingwall has a back spasm I think tho. That's a huge configuration change tho, utterly different style needed. Ballsy Stupidity
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Sorry. Just joining in with the comedy.
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That's for the barre chord joke.
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bastard, dangling from a hook me
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Maybe the real team will be a pleasant surprise now. Anyone actually know when it's announced?
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Banquo wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 1:10 pm
Mikey Brown wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 1:10 pm Slade out. Steward in with Furbank at 12! Did not see that one coming.
wtaf

Dingwall has a back spasm I think tho. That's a huge configuration change tho, utterly different style needed. Ballsy Stupidity
:D :D :D
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Mikey Brown wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 1:15 pm Maybe the real team will be a pleasant surprise now. Anyone actually know when it's announced?
knowing Dingwall has a back spasm certainly adds to the pleasantry of surprise
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