Asking her permission to form a govt. The DUP have obviously said they'll back her.Mikey Brown wrote:What is the request to the Queen required for? To continue seeking a deal with another party or to just ignore the lack of majority completely?
Yeah. Managed to completely misread that.Mellsblue wrote:Asking her permission to form a govt. The DUP have obviously said they'll back her.Mikey Brown wrote:What is the request to the Queen required for? To continue seeking a deal with another party or to just ignore the lack of majority completely?
Let's hope the Queen is in a good mood as I want Paddy Power to pay for drowning my sorrows tonight.
always his own position anywayDigby wrote:Eugene Wrayburn wrote:This. It's probably dawned on all but the most ardent Brexiteers that the negotiations can't succeed as they'd wish. They'll keep May in place to take the rap then knife her. Hopefully the Tory Remainers have already got cross party agreement to insist on either a second referendum in a stay or remain basis or to simply kill off leave in the light of the shit deal.Sandydragon wrote:There is no way that May will lead another election campaign. None. The only reason she isn't busy packing right now, and I understand the likes of BoJo are taking soundings, is that a leadership contest now would be a disaster. Brexit is happening and we can't piss about with a leadership contest now. Once we have a deal in place, I expect those knives being sharpened to be deployed.
It's also in a lot of people's interests to keep May in place. Many Tories don't want Boris but there aren't too many contenders at the moment. I'm not sure Corbyn would want her to go either. If he takes the long view, he is in a great position. He has gained additional seats and regained votes from ukip and other protest parties. He can now watch a weakened PM take the full rap for Brexit whilst chucking grenades in from the sidelines and hoping to capitalise if the Tories fall apart, which given the volatility of the conservative right wing, is quite likely, particularly if May has to compromise and get support of other parties.
Better for Corbyn to have come a close second last night and look to capitalise in a few years time, as I don't think this government will last 5 years.
There is still Corbyn wanting to nationalise anything which moves, and to make his plans easier it'd be better for him to see the UK out of the EU
They haven't. But afik she can just form a minority govt.Mellsblue wrote:Asking her permission to form a govt. The DUP have obviously said they'll back her.Mikey Brown wrote:What is the request to the Queen required for? To continue seeking a deal with another party or to just ignore the lack of majority completely?
Let's hope the Queen is in a good mood as I want Paddy Power to pay for drowning my sorrows tonight.
said that in 2010Big D wrote:Lets pretend for a minute that the Conservatives can struggle on for a full term of 5 years, would a 73 year old Corbyn be electable as PM come 2022? He seems in reasonable health and I wish him not ill health but serving as a PM or even in front line politics from 73-78 is a big ask of anyone.
Not that the Conservative government will last that long.
but tend to agree, not least because there is no credible leader in sight.
whats the view on indyref2?Stones of granite wrote:I'm in shock. Until now, I hadn't lived in a constituency with a Tory MP since I left Hertfordshire in 1988.
(Ochil and South Perthshire)
SNP lost a 10k majority next door to you too.Stones of granite wrote:I'm in shock. Until now, I hadn't lived in a constituency with a Tory MP since I left Hertfordshire in 1988.
(Ochil and South Perthshire)
Apparently some senior SNP bloke seemed to pour cold water on the idea, for the moment.Banquo wrote:whats the view on indyref2?Stones of granite wrote:I'm in shock. Until now, I hadn't lived in a constituency with a Tory MP since I left Hertfordshire in 1988.
(Ochil and South Perthshire)
yep; ironically, at least in part because the tory party was trying to stop tearing itself apart.....fivepointer wrote:What a turn up! An utterly rivetting nights political ping pong.
While I am delighted that May & the Tories got a deserved bloody nose for their rank opportunism it does leave us with a PM fatally undermined, to be propped up by the DUP, about to embark on the most important negotiations undertaken by a Govt in my lifetime. If the Tory/DUP double act falls apart, or even fails to get off the ground, another election beckons as a Labour led coalition is really a non starter.
What an appalling mess we've gotten into.
Third time in 2 yearsBanquo wrote:yep; ironically, at least in part because the tory party was trying to stop tearing itself apart.....fivepointer wrote:What a turn up! An utterly rivetting nights political ping pong.
While I am delighted that May & the Tories got a deserved bloody nose for their rank opportunism it does leave us with a PM fatally undermined, to be propped up by the DUP, about to embark on the most important negotiations undertaken by a Govt in my lifetime. If the Tory/DUP double act falls apart, or even fails to get off the ground, another election beckons as a Labour led coalition is really a non starter.
What an appalling mess we've gotten into.
Why hypocritical?Zhivago wrote:Conservatives siding with the ulster loyalists then. How utterly hypocritical.
I think you pulled the wrong adjective out of your big bag of random adjectives.Zhivago wrote:Conservatives siding with the ulster loyalists then. How utterly hypocritical.
A) they were scaremongering about a coalition of chaosSandydragon wrote:Why hypocritical?Zhivago wrote:Conservatives siding with the ulster loyalists then. How utterly hypocritical.
Zhivago wrote:A) they were scaremongering about a coalition of chaosSandydragon wrote:Why hypocritical?Zhivago wrote:Conservatives siding with the ulster loyalists then. How utterly hypocritical.
B) they were crying about links with extremists
Well with this pact with DUP the same criticisms can be levelled
Anyway it won't last for long... 6 months max before it comes crashing down .Sandydragon wrote:Zhivago wrote:A) they were scaremongering about a coalition of chaosSandydragon wrote: Why hypocritical?
B) they were crying about links with extremists
Well with this pact with DUP the same criticisms can be levelled
A 2 party coalition (and this won't be a coalition) is less chaotic than the Progressive Alliance proposed by the left.
As for extremists. 50 shades of grey in terms of support for terrorism. Some of the DUP members are closer to extremists than one would like, but Arlene Foster doesn't at least cosy up to them in the same way Corbyn has.
No arguments there. Whoever forms the government, and May is the most likely to do so, it won't last 5 years in the current climate. Maybe a bit longer than 6 months, but once the pressure of Brexit comes on then the fault lines will appear.Zhivago wrote:Anyway it won't last for long... 6 months max before it comes crashing down .Sandydragon wrote:Zhivago wrote:
A) they were scaremongering about a coalition of chaos
B) they were crying about links with extremists
Well with this pact with DUP the same criticisms can be levelled
A 2 party coalition (and this won't be a coalition) is less chaotic than the Progressive Alliance proposed by the left.
As for extremists. 50 shades of grey in terms of support for terrorism. Some of the DUP members are closer to extremists than one would like, but Arlene Foster doesn't at least cosy up to them in the same way Corbyn has.