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Re: The Fall of France
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:11 pm
by Adder
Taken back ... Did they not pass the ball again in their 22?
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Re: The Fall of France
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:23 pm
by hugh_woatmeigh
O'Shea has the game plan but there's only so much you can do with such limited players.
Immediately after Zanni's break the french commit nobody to the ruck. First support player arrives, joins ruck. Second arrives... joins ruck. Scrum half eventually arrives and the defence has set. Cringeworthy.
Re: The Fall of France
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:30 pm
by rowan
Apparently the French ran riot in the U20 fixture, 72-13 or something . . .
78-12, in fact, and the Italians had done fairly well in their previous outings against England & Ireland. French obviously have strength at age-grade level. They posted 69 points against the Scots as well and are averaging 60 per game.
Re: The Fall of France
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:38 pm
by hugh_woatmeigh
What is it about Italy capitulating at the 60 min mark? Is it fitness? Treviso and Zebre do it often as well.
Re: The Fall of France
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:45 pm
by rowan
Shame. Nearly 2 decades in the championship and they look headed for back-to-back winless campaigns.
Re: The Fall of France
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:57 pm
by Sandydragon
hugh_woatmeigh wrote:O'Shea has the game plan but there's only so much you can do with such limited players.
Immediately after Zanni's break the french commit nobody to the ruck. First support player arrives, joins ruck. Second arrives... joins ruck. Scrum half eventually arrives and the defence has set. Cringeworthy.
Aye. Some individual decent performances from Italian players, but as a team too slow and too indisciplined.
France were terrible, but almost got a bonus point.
Re: RE: Re: The Fall of France
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:01 pm
by Adder
Sandydragon wrote:hugh_woatmeigh wrote:O'Shea has the game plan but there's only so much you can do with such limited players.
Immediately after Zanni's break the french commit nobody to the ruck. First support player arrives, joins ruck. Second arrives... joins ruck. Scrum half eventually arrives and the defence has set. Cringeworthy.
Aye. Some individual decent performances from Italian players, but as a team too slow and too indisciplined.
France were terrible, but almost got a bonus point.
Good 1/2 backs missing for both teams.
France missed so many points. It looks like a mental thing.
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Re: The Fall of France
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:10 pm
by rowan
rowan wrote:Shame. Nearly 2 decades in the championship and they look headed for back-to-back winless campaigns.
In fact, it'll be 3 winless seasons in a row. The last time Italy won was almost 3 years ago to the day, versus Scotland on Feb 28, 2015, and they've now lost 15 straight games since then. I wonder how long its been since a team went three seasons without a win. Possibly back to the first years of French involvement in the 5 Nations?
Re: The Fall of France
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:30 am
by rowan
Just researched this: Italy has indeed broken their own record of 10 straight losses (04-06). They managed 7 after beating Scotland on debut, and have lost 6 in a row twice. Ireland also lost 6 in a row (61-62) and no one else has gone more than 5 - not even France in the early days.