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John Barclay may happen to have been born in Hong Kong, but I don't agree that he should be counted as a "foreign" player. He was brought up and schooled in Scotland (Dollar Academy).

Stones of granite wrote:John Barclay may happen to have been born in Hong Kong, but I don't agree that he should be counted as a "foreign" player. He was brought up and schooled in Scotland (Dollar Academy).

Aye, those ones always grate me a bit. John Beattie senior isn't Indonesian, ROG isn't an American.

Sure, my sister was born in Benghazi, it made it fucking hard to talk to her as my aribic is shite.

It is an interesting read though on the others though. I always suspected we would be leading in things like this.

I would have been considered a foreign-born player if I had made the All Blacks. Not that there was ever too much chance of that...

rowan wrote:I would have been considered a foreign-born player if I had made the All Blacks. Not that there was ever too much chance of that...

Are your parents New Zealanders? If not, then there is no comparison.

Im kinda in favour of keeping the residency rule, if you can't exclude guys born outside your country then who cares where the guy comes from. international rugby is a spectacle to generate enough cash to feed the rest of the game.

Its just an excuse by the big countries to scupper slightly smaller countries that don't have the population base to keep churning out top players.

Id have slightly more respect for some of these countries if they didn't hold that as soon as you were capped by one country you couldn't swop after a period of years to another, this is exactly why the All Blacks, England, France have lots and lots of 1 cap wonders who now can't play for anyone else

Edinburgh in Exile wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:John Barclay may happen to have been born in Hong Kong, but I don't agree that he should be counted as a "foreign" player. He was brought up and schooled in Scotland (Dollar Academy).

Aye, those ones always grate me a bit. John Beattie senior isn't Indonesian, ROG isn't an American.

Sure, my sister was born in Benghazi, it made it fucking hard to talk to her as my aribic is shite.

It is an interesting read though on the others though. I always suspected we would be leading in things like this.

Two of my sons were born in Switzerland, and are as Swiss as an Ainster fish supper.

From the list of the current New Zealand squad given on Wiki, 7 are foreign born.

Ofa Tu'ungafasi Prop Tonga
Vaea Fifita Lock Tonga
Jerome Kaino Flanker American Samoa
Tawera Kerr-Barlow Half-back Australia
Malakai Fekitoa Centre Tonga
Seta Tamanivalu Centre Fiji
Waisake Naholo Wing 8 May 1991 Fiji

And from the list of the current Australia squad given on Wiki, 12 are foreign born.

Tolu Latu Hooker Tonga
Stephen Moore (c) Hooker Saudi Arabia
Dean Mumm Flanker New Zealand
David Pocock Flanker Zimbabwe
Lopeti Timani Number 8 Tonga
Will Genia Scrum-half PNG
Quade Cooper Fly-half New Zealand
Kyle Godwin Centre Zimbabwe
Tevita Kuridrani Centre Fiji
Dane Haylett-Petty Wing South Africa
Sefanaia Naivalu Wing Fiji
Henry Speight Wing Fiji

whatisthejava wrote: Id have slightly more respect for some of these countries if they didn't hold that as soon as you were capped by one country you couldn't swop after a period of years to another, this is exactly why the All Blacks, England, France have lots and lots of 1 cap wonders who now can't play for anyone else

I don't know that's why we do it, our list going back a while for 1 cap wonders is something like Simpson, Tommy Taylor, Wade, Genge, and Rokoduguni has just come off the list and I don't think we picked him so he couldn't play for Fiji, and the other name are all young and could/should easily feature more. There are some other names of players who were good enough to play test rugby stuck on one cap in Pennell, Ollie Devoto and Calum Clark (ignoring some other concerns about Clark) and even then Devoto is perhaps going to challenge again, and given what Eddie has gone for at 7 in physicality and effort above talent and skill then frankly so might Clark.

I don't doubt that in the past we have capped some players just to block other nations, and it's perhaps an interesting point that we should allow those who haven't been picked in maybe 24 months to be released back into the fold, but I don't think we actually have lots of one cap wonders, and we're thankfully a long time past capping players just to they can't play for anyone else.

One might wish to raise concerns about those capped for the next best side, but none of England, France and NZ are especially to the fore on using their next best senior side to lock in a player's nationality, really we're to the back of the field there.

Stones of granite wrote:

rowan wrote:I would have been considered a foreign-born player if I had made the All Blacks. Not that there was ever too much chance of that...

Are your parents New Zealanders? If not, then there is no comparison.

No, British & Swiss-Irish. I'm eligible for Hong Kong by birth, NZ by nationality, England & Switzerland by my parents, and could actually qualify for all 4 Home Unions on the grandparent basis (no, sorry, Scotland would be great-grandparent). I've probably also been in Turkey long enough (12 years) to qualify for them as well, but I'm not sure even they'd be desperate enough for a middle-aged former third division club player who hasn't touched a rugby ball in about 20 years. I've also wondered if I could qualify for China . . .

Stones of granite wrote:John Barclay may happen to have been born in Hong Kong, but I don't agree that he should be counted as a "foreign" player. He was brought up and schooled in Scotland (Dollar Academy).

Yeah, it's a bit dumb. I was born in Berwick Upon Tweed (give it back you cunts) but whisked back over the border after one night. I was raised and schooled in Scotland and both parents, grand parents etc are fully Scottish. If I went around calling myself English people would think I'm a right tool.

Chunks Baws wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:John Barclay may happen to have been born in Hong Kong, but I don't agree that he should be counted as a "foreign" player. He was brought up and schooled in Scotland (Dollar Academy).

Yeah, it's a bit dumb. I was born in Berwick Upon Tweed (give it back you cunts) but whisked back over the border after one night. I was raised and schooled in Scotland and both parents, grand parents etc are fully Scottish. If I went around calling myself English people would think I'm a right tool.

"would"

It's not his fault he's English.

Not 6N news but Samoa, Oz and NZ in the autumn.

Big D wrote:Not 6N news but Samoa, Oz and NZ in the autumn.

Can someone ask Rowan how many Samoans will be playing for Oz and NZ?

Big D wrote:Not 6N news but Samoa, Oz and NZ in the autumn.

That's a good collection. All tough and all good to watch

And I think in a good order?

Though I'm not sure if I can take another loss to Aus.

Not 100% sure that's the order.

Big D wrote:Not 100% sure that's the order.

Think the order is Samoa first, AIG's then Oz last. I'm sure I read that somewhere. Might have made it up though.

So Vern needs 3 wins to keep his win %age as Scottish coach >50%.

Edinburgh in Exile wrote:

Big D wrote:Not 100% sure that's the order.

Think the order is Samoa first, AIG's then Oz last. I'm sure I read that somewhere. Might have made it up though.

You are right. A bruising Autumn. We will lose a few players.

Adder wrote:

Edinburgh in Exile wrote:

Big D wrote:Not 100% sure that's the order.

Think the order is Samoa first, AIG's then Oz last. I'm sure I read that somewhere. Might have made it up though.

You are right. A bruising Autumn. We will lose a few players.

More concerned about the players we might lose IN New Zealand..

Does anyone else think there is an inordinate number of articles about at the moment talking up Connor Murray (and now Schmidts) bitching about tackling the standing leg? Or is it just me...

AL. wrote:Does anyone else think there is an inordinate number of articles about at the moment talking up Connor Murray (and now Schmidts) bitching about tackling the standing leg? Or is it just me...

Gamesmanship. I didn't think there was much wrong with how the weeg put pressure on him, but equally I get why anyone in a Munster and now Ireland shirt would object to it.

Its just you AL. There needs to be more.

Conor is fecking awesome and yous Jocks are a bunch of bollixes for getting him dirty, so yez are!

SerjeantWildgoose wrote:Its just you AL. There needs to be more.

Conor is fecking awesome and yous Jocks are a bunch of bollixes for getting him dirty, so yez are!

Ye cannae get a bog-hopper dirty, ye can only move it around a bit.