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Buggaluggs wrote:Moriaty coming off was moronic by Stan. As was Williams, he was the only back regularly beating defenders. Leaving Cuthbert on. Knocks on. Fails to catch. And misses the try scoring tackle twice.

Taking Moriaty off was awful & I see no point whatsoever in having Jamie Roberts on the bench either. It's a shame no youngsters have been blooded as we could do with some impact off the bench. Poor kicking is always our downfall & that one at the end was awful. That game was an improvement but we still play too much turgid one up stuff.

Buggaluggs wrote:Moriaty coming off was moronic by Stan. As was Williams, he was the only back regularly beating defenders. Leaving Cuthbert on. Knocks on. Fails to catch. And misses the try scoring tackle twice.

I'm not a sack-the-coach kind of fan.

But I'm struggling to imagine how a double-agent sent to destroy Welsh rugby would look different.

Well that was shocking. Agree that moriarty should have stayed on, so too Scott Williams. We had plenty of possession and territory yet struggled to score even when the game opened up and should have suited us.

Bringing on Roberts in an attempt to defend a 2 point lead was stupid. As for not giving Davies an opportunity. Crazy. Stan is too scared of losing to try and win the game and lets be fair that game was there to be won.

You guys must be gutted. Your loosies DOMINATED™ for large periods, but there was this massive mental block preventing you from creating extra men out wide. Did poor old North even touch the ball?

morepork wrote:You guys must be gutted. Your loosies DOMINATED™ for large periods, but there was this massive mental block preventing you from creating extra men out wide. Did poor old North even touch the ball?

As he wasn't playing, no he didn't. If you mean cuthbert he was given a pass oncevwhich he knocked forward in contact.

Lol

Sandydragon wrote:

morepork wrote:You guys must be gutted. Your loosies DOMINATED™ for large periods, but there was this massive mental block preventing you from creating extra men out wide. Did poor old North even touch the ball?

As he wasn't playing, no he didn't. If you mean cuthbert he was given a pass oncevwhich he knocked forward in contact.

Oopsies. Sorry about that.

The result wasn't particularly Cuthbert's fault.

But he was terrible. As everyone in Wales, including him - and probably including Howley - knew he would be.

Davies' kick ultimately cost Wales the game. I don't think England would've scored from a lineout with a couple of minutes left on the clock. Wales' defence was solid throughout but that kick gave England the chance to attack a defence that wasn't expecting it.

No doubt Cuthbert will get the blame for his hapless attempt at a tackle but he never should've been put in that situation. Wales were well in control.

That said Cuthbert is a donut. For all his promise a few years ago, he has gone backwards at some speed.

That game could have gone either way lads . Some certainties , the press got it right about the welsh back row running the game , Warbuton had his best game , Cuthbert surely has had his last game , Halfpenny will score penalties but offers little in attack , you don't miss Roberts .

England were clinical but won the game on a classical error .

morepork wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

morepork wrote:You guys must be gutted. Your loosies DOMINATED™ for large periods, but there was this massive mental block preventing you from creating extra men out wide. Did poor old North even touch the ball?

As he wasn't playing, no he didn't. If you mean cuthbert he was given a pass oncevwhich he knocked forward in contact.

Oopsies. Sorry about that.

In your defence , you are right . North didn't touch the ball . Not once .

Discreet Hooker wrote:That game could have gone either way lads .

That's just it, though; no, it couldn't.

Every game involving Wales that could go either way, only goes one way.

Discreet Hooker wrote:That game could have gone either way lads . Some certainties , the press got it right about the welsh back row running the game , Warbuton had his best game , Cuthbert surely has had his last game , Halfpenny will score penalties but offers little in attack , you don't miss Roberts .

England were clinical but won the game on a classical error .

JD2s kick was terrible. That ball has to leave the park. But Cuthbert offered so very little. If Stef Evans is too inexperienced for international rugby, or at least that game, then I'd rather they put biggar at full back and moved halfpenny wide.

Our coach has cost us a game we should have won.

Sandydragon wrote:

Discreet Hooker wrote:That game could have gone either way lads . Some certainties , the press got it right about the welsh back row running the game , Warbuton had his best game , Cuthbert surely has had his last game , Halfpenny will score penalties but offers little in attack , you don't miss Roberts .

England were clinical but won the game on a classical error .

JD2s kick was terrible. That ball has to leave the park. But Cuthbert offered so very little. If Stef Evans is too inexperienced for international rugby, or at least that game, then I'd rather they put biggar at full back and moved halfpenny wide.

Our coach has cost us a game we should have won.

very much. Eddie Jones pulled his worst performing players off and replaced with guys who might do better. Stan pulled our best guys off and replaced them with guys who probably wouldn't do better. And left our worst performers on. He is no head coach.

I can understand the desire to bring Faletau on, even though the back row was going well. But Roberts?

What incident involving Cuthbert does anyone imagine would have gone worse for Evans? I think Cuthbert made one notably decent tackle (and a few regulation ones) and fumbled his only half-chance. No winger can be expected to stop his opposite coming on 1-on-1 at pace like Daly did, but how could Evans have done worse than Cuthbert in that phase? Conceded TWO tries?

I don't think Cuthbert is why we lost; if there's a scapegoat it has to be Foxy for that kick. Cuthbert has had worse games for Wales. But he did almost nothing of any note, and failed in his two big, difficult moments. Evans could only have done as badly, not worse, and at least we'd have learned something.

Sourdust wrote:What incident involving Cuthbert does anyone imagine would have gone worse for Evans? I think Cuthbert made one notably decent tackle (and a few regulation ones) and fumbled his only half-chance. No winger can be expected to stop his opposite coming on 1-on-1 at pace like Daly did, but how could Evans have done worse than Cuthbert in that phase? Conceded TWO tries?

I don't think Cuthbert is why we lost; if there's a scapegoat it has to be Foxy for that kick. Cuthbert has had worse games for Wales. But he did almost nothing of any note, and failed in his two big, difficult moments. Evans could only have done as badly, not worse, and at least we'd have learned something.

Exactly. Daly had bags of space and the dire kick by Foxywas what cost us. But Cuthbert did nothing when we had the ball. Would Evans have popped up more and at least asked some questions? Cuthbert was just there to make up the numbers and I'm feeling sorry for the guy who is so out of form but is picked solely because the coaching staff are too scared to play an inform but inexperienced replacement.

Sandydragon wrote:I can understand the desire to bring Faletau on, even though the back row was going well. But Roberts?

TBF I'm not so worried about bringing Roberts on. We had an immediate attacking lineout which - had we not completely ballsed it up - could have set a fresh Roberts running at the creaky English defence. I wouldn't have had Roberts on the bench at all; but as he was there, I though it made sense to bring him on at that point.

The Moriarty call was unbelievable, though. Yes, Faletau is a game-breaker but he's had no rugby, and Moriarty was on fire. I could perhaps have understood taking Tipuric off for Faletau, and moving Moriarty to 6. But this was just such another obvious case of sticking with a plan even when it's demonstrably inappropriate for the game situation. Which is, of course, exactly what cost us the match in the end.

Sourdust wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:I can understand the desire to bring Faletau on, even though the back row was going well. But Roberts?

TBF I'm not so worried about bringing Roberts on. We had an immediate attacking lineout which - had we not completely ballsed it up - could have set a fresh Roberts running at the creaky English defence. I wouldn't have had Roberts on the bench at all; but as he was there, I though it made sense to bring him on at that point.

The Moriarty call was unbelievable, though. Yes, Faletau is a game-breaker but he's had no rugby, and Moriarty was on fire. I could perhaps have understood taking Tipuric off for Faletau, and moving Moriarty to 6. But this was just such another obvious case of sticking with a plan even when it's demonstrably inappropriate for the game situation. Which is, of course, exactly what cost us the match in the end.

Id rather he had taken JD off, Scott was one of our better players. Roberts on the bench makes no sense, unless you want to shut up shop and defend.

What really grips me is that once again we failed to convert pressure into points. The same tedious and predictable gameplan which hasn't worked since 2013. All this talk of evolving our attack is just rubbish.

Sourdust wrote:The result wasn't particularly Cuthbert's fault.

But he was terrible. As everyone in Wales, including him - and probably including Howley - knew he would be.

The problem with Daly's try was simply down to Cuthberts positioning. He stayed far too narrow. Any pass on the money, which it was, put Daly on the outside. Cuthbert was always struggling as he never drifted properly.

Our attack did not lose us that game...it did not help..but for me it is the same thing that has lost us I dont know how many matches...poor decision making when we are in close out mode on the pitch ...lack of clarity on the training ground.

I dont think many Welsh supporters would have said much if we had controlled the last 5 minutes and won.

This is to do with executing a close out plan. I dont care if the plan to continue attacking .. or to bury the ball in the pack...whatever it is..when it comes execute it we are c..p ...we only seem to get success when the opposition is absolutely beaten.

As as a proffesional international team we should have something that is in place ..but at times I dont think we have a flippin clue .This has worried me more than any attacking style or nuance or who is selected...it dont matter a chuff if we can not close a game out.

If it was the other way around they would be shut down last 5 minutes there would be a selection of a set of plays to make .

I said after the AI ...lets see what happens in the 6N ...well not a lot has changed...we arent in control of ourselves when we need it at the critical times .... either in attack or defence we dont strike effectively.

Unless there is a marked step up against Scotland then this 6N is history for Wales.

It already is history. We have three tough road games and 9-try Ireland at home to come. We're already behind England and Ireland in the table, so winning is effectively impossible. WE should be trying some new faces in the remaining games. Tried and trusted isn't cutting it.

Stan on the Moriarty switch: "just a substitution"
Bilicheck on subbing Tom Brady in the 4th quarter and losing the superbowl: "......." That's because he didn't sub his best player. And he won.

Epaminondas Pules wrote:

Sourdust wrote:The result wasn't particularly Cuthbert's fault.

But he was terrible. As everyone in Wales, including him - and probably including Howley - knew he would be.

The problem with Daly's try was simply down to Cuthberts positioning. He stayed far too narrow. Any pass on the money, which it was, put Daly on the outside. Cuthbert was always struggling as he never drifted properly.

The whole defence was too narrow. I would not blame it solely on Cuthbert. Daley would gas most wings with that space. It was down to Davies' daft kick out of his own goal area. Instead of hammering it into the stand he gave the ball back to England on a plate and they thankfully accepted. Wales had the match won at the time.

Sourdust wrote:

Discreet Hooker wrote:That game could have gone either way lads .

That's just it, though; no, it couldn't.

Every game involving Wales that could go either way, only goes one way.

Well, excluding about half the games against Scotland for the last 10 years.