Racism in rugby

[Nightynight]

Again, it isn't about what he's comfortable with either. It's about the sport apparently being comfortable with something football would have zero tolerance on.

Football is happy to have a world cup in one of the most racist countries in the world, where the locals believe foreign workers are slaves, let alone the intolerance applied to social demographic origin and religious beliefs. I haven't seen the FA refuse to be part of that WC on that basis.

Edit:
Xmas 2014 banned any public displays of Christmas as anti Islamic
Xmas 2015 banned any private or public school having a nativity play as anti Islamic
Imagine the uproar in the UK if we did the opposite and banned stuff

I haven't heard one peep from the FA

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/other/ ... 09273.html

Greg Dyke, FA Chairman, called it the 'worst moment in football history'

haaaaa have they made a moral stand and said they will boycott the tournament? No

[Tre]

Football is happy to have a world cup in one of the most racist countries in the world, where the locals believe foreign workers are slaves, let alone the intolerance applied to social demographic origin and religious beliefs. I haven't seen the FA refuse to be part of that WC on that basis.

Edit:
Xmas 2014 banned any public displays of Christmas as anti Islamic
Xmas 2015 banned any private or public school having a nativity play as anti Islamic
Imagine the uproar in the UK if we did the opposite and banned stuff

I haven't heard one peep from the FA

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/other/ ... 09273.html

Greg Dyke, FA Chairman, called it the 'worst moment in football history'

haaaaa have they made a moral stand and said they will boycott the tournament? No

You said you haven't heard a peep, love.

[Nightynight]

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/other/ ... 09273.html

Greg Dyke, FA Chairman, called it the 'worst moment in football history'

haaaaa have they made a moral stand and said they will boycott the tournament? No

You said you haven't heard a peep, love.

You're the one who said football wouldn't stand for it, when clearly they will on a far worse scale, moaning about it being bent fifa process, which is the majority of the FA comments by far, but happy to look the other way when comes to all the international reports on human rights abuse/trafficking/intolerance.... not really a high ground to make a sweeping statement on racism


EDIT: moral compass gets bent when money is involved.

[Sandydragon]

So if Lee had used the N word against Itoje 'in the heat of the moment' that would have been fine?

Great message to send out. Wouldn't surprise me if the Gypsie council (are they still called that?) took this further.

If he'd called him 'black boy' it wouldn't bother me, nor would I get upset by being called 'white boy', so I don't see what the major issues is.
If he'd called Lee a ' dirty gypsy cnut' I might see the point or Itoje a n&&^%r, clearly derogatory terms, some posters on here seem to be trying to find an issue like some sort of armchair 70's sociology student.

Edit: what's more offensive being called 'gypsy' or 'boy'

I completely understand the culture you are living in (Ive heard stuff said in the ME that would make Gene Hunt blush), but here in the UK, derogatory racial comments (which would include those made about Gypsies) are no longer lawful. It may have been once, but no more.

[Tre]

haaaaa have they made a moral stand and said they will boycott the tournament? No

You said you haven't heard a peep, love.

You're the one who said football wouldn't stand for it, when clearly they will on a far worse scale, moaning about it being bent fifa process, which is the majority of the FA comments by far, but happy to look the other way when comes to all the international reports on human rights abuse/trafficking/intolerance.... not really a high ground to make a sweeping statement on racism


EDIT: moral compass gets bent when money is involved.

Football has a record of dealing with this type of thing from players and supporters.

The wider corruption of Blatter/Fifa is a strawman.

[Nightynight]

I completely understand the culture you are living in (Ive heard stuff said in the ME that would make Gene Hunt blush), but here in the UK, derogatory racial comments (which would include those made about Gypsies) are no longer lawful. It may have been once, but no more.[/quote]

I think in the grown up world where the UK is not perfect, but believe me after the ME, working in India, Australia and Europe we're light years ahead!

Making this it to a crusade against an individual event I don't like, particularly when I know from experience many who cry foul actually exhibit double standards themselves when it suits. The gypsy community itself for instance and I only mention this because of the subject matter, they don't like outsiders and have taboos against their women marrying outside their community, is that not a form of racism?

I'd take each individual situation on its circumstances to get balance. For me, if you believe the press release that Marler went to apologies on his own volition, (therefore I assume not a total dick) and Lee accepted it, I think that is good enough in this situation, there are bigger issues than this to tackle.

[Nightynight]

You said you haven't heard a peep, love.

You're the one who said football wouldn't stand for it, when clearly they will on a far worse scale, moaning about it being bent fifa process, which is the majority of the FA comments by far, but happy to look the other way when comes to all the international reports on human rights abuse/trafficking/intolerance.... not really a high ground to make a sweeping statement on racism


EDIT: moral compass gets bent when money is involved.

Football has a record of dealing with this type of thing from players and supporters.

The wider corruption of Blatter/Fifa is a strawman.

Why did you quote greg dyke then? You brought that in to play, I just pointed out football cannot be used as moral guidance, its a flawed argument due to its acceptance of racist behavior when money is involved on marquee international stage event levels

[Tre]

You're the one who said football wouldn't stand for it, when clearly they will on a far worse scale, moaning about it being bent fifa process, which is the majority of the FA comments by far, but happy to look the other way when comes to all the international reports on human rights abuse/trafficking/intolerance.... not really a high ground to make a sweeping statement on racism


EDIT: moral compass gets bent when money is involved.

Football has a record of dealing with this type of thing from players and supporters.

The wider corruption of Blatter/Fifa is a strawman.

Why did you quote greg dyke then? You brought that in to play, I just pointed out football cannot be used as moral guidance, its a flawed argument due to its acceptance of racist behavior when money is involved on marquee international stage event levels

You said the FA had said nothing on Qatar. I showed you were mistaken.

[Nightynight]

Football has a record of dealing with this type of thing from players and supporters.

The wider corruption of Blatter/Fifa is a strawman.

Why did you quote greg dyke then? You brought that in to play, I just pointed out football cannot be used as moral guidance, its a flawed argument due to its acceptance of racist behavior when money is involved on marquee international stage event levels

You said the FA had said nothing on Qatar. I showed you were mistaken.

No they said very little about the abuse and nothing for a long time about the continuing abuse in the last 2yrs, their main beef is the FIFA process, if you want to use them as the guidance on racism I think its flawed, the FA are still participating in the tournament.


That's the point, everything else you are posting is just dancing round the that single statement.... they are playing in 2022 despite the documented facts on the social behavior and ingrained racism of the host country.

[Billyfish]

The point really is that someone representing their country did something unlawful on camera at a televised international sporting event watched by a few million or so people. And is going to get away with it apparently.

[Sandydragon]

The point really is that someone representing their country did something unlawful on camera at a televised international sporting event watched by a few million or so people. And is going to get away with it apparently.

Exactly right. Virtual rep and all that.

The remorse shown by Marler should only be taken into account when considering the punishment. It shouldn't be the basis for a complete acquittal, which appears to have been the case. I wonder if someone will complain to the Police? After all, if North Wales Police can investigate an anti-Welsh comment a few years ago, then an anti-Gypsy comment made on live TV in front of millions would probably get their attention. I'm hoping World Rugby gets involved here as that's 2 dubious decisions made regarding the same player; both send a terrible message. Add onto that the river dance routine of Mike Brown the previous week and they aren't covering themselves with glory, particularly as Francis got 8 weeks for recklessness. And in what world does it take until late Wednesday to make a decision on something that happened Saturday? Regardless of who is involved, that simply isn't quick enough.

If the case for a game wide disciplinary panel hasn't been made by this series of events, it never will be.

[gthedog]

Ha! Would be awesome if the police investigated

[Sandydragon]

Ha! Would be awesome if the police investigated

At the moment, I don't think they would refuse to do so. Most senior police officers I come into contact with are terrified of not taking a complaint seriously enough.

[gthedog]

Ha! Would be awesome if the police investigated

At the moment, I don't think they would refuse to do so. Most senior police officers I come into contact with are terrified of not taking a complaint seriously enough.

I'll have a chat with my mate who is an inspector tonight
He'll probably tell me to go and shag some sheep

[Numbers]

So if Lee had used the N word against Itoje 'in the heat of the moment' that would have been fine?

Great message to send out. Wouldn't surprise me if the Gypsie council (are they still called that?) took this further.

The word "Gypsy" is the offensive word, travelling community is how it's termed these days.

[WaspInWales]

So travelling community boy would be fine?

[Sandydragon]

So if Lee had used the N word against Itoje 'in the heat of the moment' that would have been fine?

Great message to send out. Wouldn't surprise me if the Gypsie council (are they still called that?) took this further.

The word "Gypsy" is the offensive word, travelling community is how it's termed these days.

As opposed to Romany Gypsy which I understood to be a descriptive term?

[gthedog]

Wanna make some noise about it?

https://www.change.org/p/6-nations-fair ... onsors/new

[Numbers]

So travelling community boy would be fine?

Well that doesn't really make any sense but yes.

Sandy, Romany travellers don't like to be called gypsies either.

[cashead]

So if Lee had used the N word against Itoje 'in the heat of the moment' that would have been fine?

Great message to send out. Wouldn't surprise me if the Gypsie council (are they still called that?) took this further.

If he'd called him 'black boy' it wouldn't bother me, nor would I get upset by being called 'white boy', so I don't see what the major issues is.
If he'd called Lee a ' dirty gypsy cnut' I might see the point or Itoje a n&&^%r, clearly derogatory terms, some posters on here seem to be trying to find an issue like some sort of armchair 70's sociology student.

Edit: what's more offensive being called 'gypsy' or 'boy'

This isn't about what you're comfortable with.

You clearly don't understand that if Nightynight is not offended by it, then no one else in the world should be either. You should've known that by now! Good grief, didn't you get the memo?

[welshsaint]

Find it ironically amusing that Jones refers to Arthur or Martha, which is a long held gay taunt.

[Ross. S]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/35837685

Looks like WR are stepping in.

[Sandydragon]

So travelling community boy would be fine?

Well that doesn't really make any sense but yes.

Sandy, Romany travellers don't like to be called gypsies either.

There's pages of stuff on how the context is important, rather than the word gypsy by itself. But I'm not that bothered by calling that group the travelling community instead.

[WaspInWales]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/35837685

Looks like WR are stepping in.

What's the odds on WR being satisfied with the explanation 6N rugby provides?

This whole thing is dragging out far too long. Ignoring the citation escape, Eddie should've dropped Marler entirely from the squad for France with a very strict warning on future conduct. At the same time, 6N rugby should have issued the 4 week suspension.

No doubt some people would still be moaning about things but at least action would have been taken and the talk could then be about the rugby.

This is before I even touch upon the inconsistencies with the citing process. Marler's forearm smash was certainly worthy of being cited and worthy of getting a ban. Lee was rightly banned for making contact with the eye, so why wasn't Marler banned for making contact with the face?

Eddie missed a trick, 6N rugby dropped a (couple of) bollock(s) and it'll apparently be Wales' fault if we don't win the GS.

[gthedog]

It would be ace if they blamed the WRU for losing on Saturday
Come on France