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Wallpaperman wrote:

Wallpaperman wrote:

Sandydragon wrote: We have thrown that away. Totally fucking stupid by Liam Williams and a lack of composure.

Yeah, the second yellow was key.

There were only 7 minutes to go, Wales were 10 points up and France had gone back 30 yards

Exactly. Just reset and defend that far out.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:Lots of tricky decisions. Some we got some we didn't.

We lost it in the last 10, surprisingly losing discipline.

Sadly yes, France turned the ball over a couple of times near the end and Wales didn’t keep it together

Hmm. As I said, no way are France not going to get 4 tries vs Scotland. They may not win by 21 points though (or is it 20?). Although I feel little confidence about that right now.

That LRZ non try was so so close.

Sandydragon wrote:That LRZ non try was so so close.

I think the camera didn't capture enough frames to see which part of the ball hit the ground first. Annoying. But then I think we were lucky with Adams's try.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:That LRZ non try was so so close.

I think the camera didn't capture enough frames to see which part of the ball it the ground first. Annoying. But then I think we were lucky with Adams's try.

We were. But the the first French try was off a very unstraight lineout so that’s one each.

Tomorrow’s paper will be about us running out of luck.

Utter bollocks. We lost our discipline. After four games where we were so precise. Liam Williams was utterly stupid. Faletau I’m less annoyed at but Williams really didn’t need to do what he did.

France need a BP win and to win by 14 clear points.

Sandydragon wrote:Tomorrow’s paper will be about us running out of luck.

Utter bollocks. We lost our discipline. After four games where we were so precise. Liam Williams was utterly stupid. Faletau I’m less annoyed at but Williams really didn’t need to do what he did.

France need a BP win and to win by 14 clear points.

Shame- Wales were by far the better side for at least an hour I thought. You deserve the title imo.

Sandydragon wrote:Tomorrow’s paper will be about us running out of luck.

Utter bollocks. We lost our discipline. After four games where we were so precise. Liam Williams was utterly stupid. Faletau I’m less annoyed at but Williams really didn’t need to do what he did.

France need a BP win and to win by 14 clear points.

Yeah I think that Faletau got a cumulative one for the team. That’s what you get with Williams though, he had played very well up to then.

Lots to be happy with this tournament. Good squad, and some good depth, and some nice rugby played. Not that they are retiring any time soon, but some succession planning for AWJ, Ken Owens and Faletau are the clouds on the horizon.

For all the criticism he gets (and I have been one of them) Biggar was top class tonight, and made the right decisions when he was on the field.

Wallpaperman wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:Tomorrow’s paper will be about us running out of luck.

Utter bollocks. We lost our discipline. After four games where we were so precise. Liam Williams was utterly stupid. Faletau I’m less annoyed at but Williams really didn’t need to do what he did.

France need a BP win and to win by 14 clear points.

Yeah I think that Faletau got a cumulative one for the team. That’s what you get with Williams though, he had played very well up to then.

Lots to be happy with this tournament. Good squad, and some good depth, and some nice rugby played. Not that they are retiring any time soon, but some succession planning for AWJ, Ken Owens and Faletau are the clouds on the horizon.

For all the criticism he gets (and I have been one of them) Biggar was top class tonight, and made the right decisions when he was on the field.

Biggars had a great game. Ditto JD2.

Was anyone else screaming for Sheedy not to kick the ball when we had just won the ball from a lineout and had 15 against 13? I know we were in our own half but you have surely got to look to take advantage of a two player advantage.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:Hmm. As I said, no way are France not going to get 4 tries vs Scotland. They may not win by 21 points though (or is it 20?). Although I feel little confidence about that right now.

If they get 20 then they also need to have scored 6 tries against Scotland. If they get 20 and we tie with them on tries then we share the title I think

Zhivago wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:Hmm. As I said, no way are France not going to get 4 tries vs Scotland. They may not win by 21 points though (or is it 20?). Although I feel little confidence about that right now.

If they get 20 then they also need to have scored 6 tries against Scotland. If they get 20 and we tie with them on tries then we share the title I think

It’s no longer 20 points though. France had to win by 13 or 24 points clear of Scotland.

M not going to bet against that.

Sandydragon wrote:

Wallpaperman wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:Tomorrow’s paper will be about us running out of luck.

Utter bollocks. We lost our discipline. After four games where we were so precise. Liam Williams was utterly stupid. Faletau I’m less annoyed at but Williams really didn’t need to do what he did.

France need a BP win and to win by 14 clear points.

Yeah I think that Faletau got a cumulative one for the team. That’s what you get with Williams though, he had played very well up to then.

Lots to be happy with this tournament. Good squad, and some good depth, and some nice rugby played. Not that they are retiring any time soon, but some succession planning for AWJ, Ken Owens and Faletau are the clouds on the horizon.

For all the criticism he gets (and I have been one of them) Biggar was top class tonight, and made the right decisions when he was on the field.

Biggars had a great game. Ditto JD2.

Was anyone else screaming for Sheedy not to kick the ball when we had just won the ball from a lineout and had 15 against 13? I know we were in our own half but you have surely got to look to take advantage of a two player advantage.

Agreed re Davies, too. He was excellent and a bit of composure was lost with him and Biggar off the field. Sheedy definitely took a couple of wrong options but he wasn’t alone.

Sandydragon wrote:

Zhivago wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:Hmm. As I said, no way are France not going to get 4 tries vs Scotland. They may not win by 21 points though (or is it 20?). Although I feel little confidence about that right now.

If they get 20 then they also need to have scored 6 tries against Scotland. If they get 20 and we tie with them on tries then we share the title I think

It’s no longer 20 points though. France had to win by 13 or 24 points clear of Scotland.

M not going to bet against that.

13 or 24? surely it was 24 and that's reduced by 4 because they have a 2pt win over us.

Sorry take it back. We do have a 20 point advantage. My bad, I looked at the wrong table.

SonFrance need a BP win, plus they need to win by at least 20 points for the number of tries to come into account, or by 21 points or greater.

Zhivago wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Zhivago wrote:
If they get 20 then they also need to have scored 6 tries against Scotland. If they get 20 and we tie with them on tries then we share the title I think

It’s no longer 20 points though. France had to win by 13 or 24 points clear of Scotland.

M not going to bet against that.

13 or 24? surely it was 24 and that's reduced by 4 because they have a 2pt win over us.

It was a typo and I was wrong anyway. It a 20 point difference.

Sandydragon wrote:

Wallpaperman wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:Tomorrow’s paper will be about us running out of luck.

Utter bollocks. We lost our discipline. After four games where we were so precise. Liam Williams was utterly stupid. Faletau I’m less annoyed at but Williams really didn’t need to do what he did.

France need a BP win and to win by 14 clear points.

Yeah I think that Faletau got a cumulative one for the team. That’s what you get with Williams though, he had played very well up to then.

Lots to be happy with this tournament. Good squad, and some good depth, and some nice rugby played. Not that they are retiring any time soon, but some succession planning for AWJ, Ken Owens and Faletau are the clouds on the horizon.

For all the criticism he gets (and I have been one of them) Biggar was top class tonight, and made the right decisions when he was on the field.

Biggars had a great game. Ditto JD2.

Was anyone else screaming for Sheedy not to kick the ball when we had just won the ball from a lineout and had 15 against 13? I know we were in our own half but you have surely got to look to take advantage of a two player advantage.

Biggar should be on the Lions tour, he's been terrific. Does so much bits and pieces work, and is probably the best chase own kick merchant in the world. Bit underrated tbh.

Banquo wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Wallpaperman wrote:
Yeah I think that Faletau got a cumulative one for the team. That’s what you get with Williams though, he had played very well up to then.

Lots to be happy with this tournament. Good squad, and some good depth, and some nice rugby played. Not that they are retiring any time soon, but some succession planning for AWJ, Ken Owens and Faletau are the clouds on the horizon.

For all the criticism he gets (and I have been one of them) Biggar was top class tonight, and made the right decisions when he was on the field.

Biggars had a great game. Ditto JD2.

Was anyone else screaming for Sheedy not to kick the ball when we had just won the ball from a lineout and had 15 against 13? I know we were in our own half but you have surely got to look to take advantage of a two player advantage.

Biggar should be on the Lions tour, he's been terrific. Does so much bits and pieces work, and is probably the best chase own kick merchant in the world. Bit underrated tbh.

Yeah, Biggar was excellent. Maybe Gatland was holding him back all these years?

I thought Sheedy did the right thing - get the ball as far away from our tryline as possible. Who would have thought that Williams would find a way to get a yellow card when all we had to do was contain them?

Banquo wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Wallpaperman wrote:
Yeah I think that Faletau got a cumulative one for the team. That’s what you get with Williams though, he had played very well up to then.

Lots to be happy with this tournament. Good squad, and some good depth, and some nice rugby played. Not that they are retiring any time soon, but some succession planning for AWJ, Ken Owens and Faletau are the clouds on the horizon.

For all the criticism he gets (and I have been one of them) Biggar was top class tonight, and made the right decisions when he was on the field.

Biggars had a great game. Ditto JD2.

Was anyone else screaming for Sheedy not to kick the ball when we had just won the ball from a lineout and had 15 against 13? I know we were in our own half but you have surely got to look to take advantage of a two player advantage.

Biggar should be on the Lions tour, he's been terrific. Does so much bits and pieces work, and is probably the best chase own kick merchant in the world. Bit underrated tbh.

Biggar seems to have discovered a new lease of life since moving to Saints. He is playing with more confidence and his game has a lot more variation. Perhaps he has been given more rope to play what's in front of him after years of restricted Gatball. He's solid as a rock and still a very reliable place kicker. I think he does deserve serious consideration for a Lions spot.

His try was impressive.

You’re undoubtedly disappointed but at the same time should be proud of your team. Few would have predicted you’d be a gnat’s cock from a Grand Slam.

francoisfou wrote:You’re undoubtedly disappointed but at the same time should be proud of your team. Few would have predicted you’d be a gnat’s cock from a Grand Slam.

Well done France to come back and snatch the game at the death. Our luck didn’t hold up like Itoje’s last week when he brushed the grass to score but our tries were disallowed.

Not complaining but some refs would have awarded a penalty try for illegally pulling down our 20 metre driving maul, two metres out from the line. It looked odds on for a try then and that would have settled the game.

It’s only a game but I’m gutted we couldn’t get over the line.

Still there’s always next year and you have to play in Cardiff.

Unlucky guys, I didn’t think you deserved to win a GS but you were the better team last night until you guys lost your shit in the last 5 mins.

francoisfou wrote:You’re undoubtedly disappointed but at the same time should be proud of your team. Few would have predicted you’d be a gnat’s cock from a Grand Slam.

Well played, so close but you won fair and square. I knew you could win but did not expect it to happen like that!

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

francoisfou wrote:You’re undoubtedly disappointed but at the same time should be proud of your team. Few would have predicted you’d be a gnat’s cock from a Grand Slam.

Well played, so close but you won fair and square. I knew you could win but did not expect it to happen like that!

It does highlight the point about discipline. We have exploited other teams poor discipline and last night it happened to us. Ce la vie.

I’m quite relaxed about it today, now my heart rate is below 150. We did play very well for most of the game. There was a crucial turning point where the LRZ try was disallowed and the ref didn’t look at a penalty try. But then are the rubs. We played well and France put us under a lot of pressure which led to a raft of penalties. I’m annoyed with Liam Williams for his yellow card which was brainless. Otherwise the best two teams went head to head and it was bloody close.

Now we need to wait and see if France can do a number on Scotland and win by 21 or more with a BP.