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Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2026 6:32 pm
by FKAS
Which Tyler wrote: ↑Sat Feb 14, 2026 4:14 pm
Linegar racking up a total of 14 minutes over two matches so far for Bath.
Would definitely have preferred him to be playing U20s
Very much so.
At least Threlfall got nearly the full 80 today albeit playing out of position at 15.
Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2026 8:04 pm
by Slater582
Tonga'uiha seems a bit like another England U20 prop from a couple of years ago, Tim Hoyt. Big lads but underwhelming in terms of impact. Perhaps they'll come good when they get into their prime.
Scotland tighthead with the double-barrelled surname looked really promising though.
Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Sat Feb 14, 2026 7:10 am
Considering we played most of the game without the ball, made almost 200 tackles and still over 400 metres ball in hand. There are some personnel I would change. Can’t do much at tighthead with Streeter out. Hopefully he’s OK after return to play protocols for the next game. Ainsworth-Cave needs a rocket. Well, move Hogg to 6 if you desperately need a lineout presence; or pick Tate Williams, or move George Marsh to 6. That was a very good Scottish pack mind. The best they’ve had at this age group for a good while!
The backs looked better balanced with a more dynamic 10 and a more natural 12 at 12. It is difficult as we’ve got a glut of 13s, so I get why they want to play more of them, but the balance with Davidson was all wrong. Keylock is more of a versatile back who will likely end up in the centres or fullback, but even then was way better than Davidson last week. Different conditions, but he’s a threat whilst Davidson isn’t really. That’s not his game.
It is getting better, but I still think the coaching setup is not right. I’ll say it until I’m blue in the face but England rugby rewards loyalty not ability in coaching. Mappetoft, Titterall, O’Shea all yes men. None of them are bad coaches, but if I compared them to say Fletch or Walts and it’s not even a contest. At this age you need the Fletch type coach, unless you want to build more robotic / stick to the plan players. Hence the inability to adapt when shits not working!
Seems Gorleku and Linegar are wanted by the clubs and England are obliging. Hopefully Davies comes in. Though he’ll probably be wanted by Sale if there’s Prem Cup games to be played.
If club commitments complicate Six Nations participation for Ollie Davies and Linegar then hopefully they'll avoid injury and be fully available for the summer. Unlike Gorleku I believe this is their last year at international age level.
Does Harlequins retaining Gorleku but releasing Staples mean they rate the former (who is actually younger according to Quins website) more highly? Also wonder if the emergence of this duo contributed to Jibulu departing.
FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Feb 13, 2026 8:37 pm
Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Fri Feb 13, 2026 8:29 pm
Though you have to credit the Scotland pack. They’ve got a bloody good pack this year!
They certainly have but we've also for some real passengers this year. Watching the 6 give the most moronic of offside penalties as I type that.
The Scottish 10 at what? 17 looks like he's going to be a serious player in the future.
Son of John Dalziel apparently. Good timing if he ends up taking over from Finn Russell.
Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2026 9:03 am
by Epaminondas Pules
Slater582 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 17, 2026 8:04 pm
Tonga'uiha seems a bit like another England U20 prop from a couple of years ago, Tim Hoyt. Big lads but underwhelming in terms of impact. Perhaps they'll come good when they get into their prime.
Scotland tighthead with the double-barrelled surname looked really promising though.
Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Sat Feb 14, 2026 7:10 am
Considering we played most of the game without the ball, made almost 200 tackles and still over 400 metres ball in hand. There are some personnel I would change. Can’t do much at tighthead with Streeter out. Hopefully he’s OK after return to play protocols for the next game. Ainsworth-Cave needs a rocket. Well, move Hogg to 6 if you desperately need a lineout presence; or pick Tate Williams, or move George Marsh to 6. That was a very good Scottish pack mind. The best they’ve had at this age group for a good while!
The backs looked better balanced with a more dynamic 10 and a more natural 12 at 12. It is difficult as we’ve got a glut of 13s, so I get why they want to play more of them, but the balance with Davidson was all wrong. Keylock is more of a versatile back who will likely end up in the centres or fullback, but even then was way better than Davidson last week. Different conditions, but he’s a threat whilst Davidson isn’t really. That’s not his game.
It is getting better, but I still think the coaching setup is not right. I’ll say it until I’m blue in the face but England rugby rewards loyalty not ability in coaching. Mappetoft, Titterall, O’Shea all yes men. None of them are bad coaches, but if I compared them to say Fletch or Walts and it’s not even a contest. At this age you need the Fletch type coach, unless you want to build more robotic / stick to the plan players. Hence the inability to adapt when shits not working!
Seems Gorleku and Linegar are wanted by the clubs and England are obliging. Hopefully Davies comes in. Though he’ll probably be wanted by Sale if there’s Prem Cup games to be played.
If club commitments complicate Six Nations participation for Ollie Davies and Linegar then hopefully they'll avoid injury and be fully available for the summer. Unlike Gorleku I believe this is their last year at international age level.
Does Harlequins retaining Gorleku but releasing Staples mean they rate the former (who is actually younger according to Quins website) more highly? Also wonder if the emergence of this duo contributed to Jibulu departing.
FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Feb 13, 2026 8:37 pm
Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Fri Feb 13, 2026 8:29 pm
Though you have to credit the Scotland pack. They’ve got a bloody good pack this year!
They certainly have but we've also for some real passengers this year. Watching the 6 give the most moronic of offside penalties as I type that.
The Scottish 10 at what? 17 looks like he's going to be a serious player in the future.
Son of John Dalziel apparently. Good timing if he ends up taking over from Finn Russell.
I expect it'll be working with England to determine which route is best for both at this time, with Gorleku having another year they probably agreed to retain Gorleku and let Staples do U20s
Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2026 3:21 pm
by fivepointer
ENGLAND U20 MEN’S SIDE TO FACE IRELAND
15 James Pater (Northampton Saints, Shelford RFC, 2 caps)
14 Tyler Offiah (Bath Rugby, Ealing Trailfinders, 4 caps)
13 Nick Lilley (Exeter Chiefs, Ivybridge RFC, 10 caps)
12 Victor Worsnip (Bristol Bears, Bank of England RFC, 2 caps)
11 George Pearson (Leicester Tigers, Buckingham RFC, 5 caps)
10 Finn Keylock (Saracens, Marlow RUFC, 1 caps)
9 Lucas Friday (Harlequins, Bromley RFC, 10 caps)
1 Oliver Scola (Northampton Saints, Old Northamptonians RFC, 11 caps)
2 Jimmy Staples (Harlequins, Worthing Rugby Club, 2 caps)
3 Ollie Streeter (Harlequins, Haywards Heath RFC, 3 caps)
4 Elliot Williams (Harlequins, 2 caps)
5 Patrick Hogg (Sale Sharks, Blaydon Rugby Club, 2 caps)
6 Aiden Ainsworth-Cave (Northampton Saints, Bedford Junior Blues, 11 caps)
7 Seb Kelly (Sale Sharks, Rochdale RUFC, 4 caps)
8 Connor Treacey (C) (Bath Rugby, New Milton Rugby Club, 9 caps)
Replacements:
16 Jerold Gorleku (Harlequins, Twickenham RFC, uncapped)
17 Oliver Spencer (Sale Sharks, Harrogate RUFC, 1 cap)
18 Sonny Tonga’uiha (Northampton Saints, Old Northamptonians RFC, 2 caps)
19 Tate Williams (Harlequins, East Grinstead RFC, uncapped)
20 George Marsh (Leicester Tigers, Holt RFC, 2 caps)
21 George Newman (Exeter Chiefs, Truro RFC, uncapped)
22 Will Knight (Gloucester Rugby, Longlevens RFC, 6 caps)
23 Ollie Davies (Sale Sharks, Macclesfield RUFC, 2 caps)
Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2026 6:35 pm
by Epaminondas Pules
Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Wed Feb 18, 2026 9:03 am
Slater582 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 17, 2026 8:04 pm
Tonga'uiha seems a bit like another England U20 prop from a couple of years ago, Tim Hoyt. Big lads but underwhelming in terms of impact. Perhaps they'll come good when they get into their prime.
Scotland tighthead with the double-barrelled surname looked really promising though.
Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Sat Feb 14, 2026 7:10 am
Considering we played most of the game without the ball, made almost 200 tackles and still over 400 metres ball in hand. There are some personnel I would change. Can’t do much at tighthead with Streeter out. Hopefully he’s OK after return to play protocols for the next game. Ainsworth-Cave needs a rocket. Well, move Hogg to 6 if you desperately need a lineout presence; or pick Tate Williams, or move George Marsh to 6. That was a very good Scottish pack mind. The best they’ve had at this age group for a good while!
The backs looked better balanced with a more dynamic 10 and a more natural 12 at 12. It is difficult as we’ve got a glut of 13s, so I get why they want to play more of them, but the balance with Davidson was all wrong. Keylock is more of a versatile back who will likely end up in the centres or fullback, but even then was way better than Davidson last week. Different conditions, but he’s a threat whilst Davidson isn’t really. That’s not his game.
It is getting better, but I still think the coaching setup is not right. I’ll say it until I’m blue in the face but England rugby rewards loyalty not ability in coaching. Mappetoft, Titterall, O’Shea all yes men. None of them are bad coaches, but if I compared them to say Fletch or Walts and it’s not even a contest. At this age you need the Fletch type coach, unless you want to build more robotic / stick to the plan players. Hence the inability to adapt when shits not working!
Seems Gorleku and Linegar are wanted by the clubs and England are obliging. Hopefully Davies comes in. Though he’ll probably be wanted by Sale if there’s Prem Cup games to be played.
If club commitments complicate Six Nations participation for Ollie Davies and Linegar then hopefully they'll avoid injury and be fully available for the summer. Unlike Gorleku I believe this is their last year at international age level.
Does Harlequins retaining Gorleku but releasing Staples mean they rate the former (who is actually younger according to Quins website) more highly? Also wonder if the emergence of this duo contributed to Jibulu departing.
FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Feb 13, 2026 8:37 pm
They certainly have but we've also for some real passengers this year. Watching the 6 give the most moronic of offside penalties as I type that.
The Scottish 10 at what? 17 looks like he's going to be a serious player in the future.
Son of John Dalziel apparently. Good timing if he ends up taking over from Finn Russell.
I expect it'll be working with England to determine which route is best for both at this time, with Gorleku having another year they probably agreed to retain Gorleku and let Staples do U20s
And to prove me a liar they’re both in this week
Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2026 8:04 pm
by FKAS
Yay another of the backrow combination we know doesn't work very well. Good to see Ollie Davies back from suspension.
Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2026 8:06 pm
by Oakboy
Where did the find this dreadful Irish female co-commentator? Why use two words when ten will do?
Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2026 8:56 pm
by FKAS
If we could resource rucks properly we'd be clear by now.
It has gone a bit scrappy in this second half though, few passes to know one.
Back three more involved and looking dangerous.
Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:15 pm
by charlesdeboeuf
Honestly don’t know why I subject myself to watching the u20s. So so frustrating to watch.
Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:19 pm
by Epaminondas Pules
This is the worst coached U20 side I have ever seen! This is a criminal waste of talent!
Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:19 pm
by FKAS
charlesdeboeuf wrote: ↑Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:15 pm
Honestly don’t know why I subject myself to watching the u20s. So so frustrating to watch.
We looked alright first half. Second half we've been pretty shite.
Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:22 pm
by FKAS
Nice line and finish from Lilley though.
Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:26 pm
by pjm1
This applies to all of our teams… how come we have so much player resource yet we seem to have so little coaching resource?!
Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:27 pm
by Timbo
The rugby our U20’s have played in recent seasons has been so dire, stylistically speaking. Even when we won everything a couple of years ago it felt more a victory of huge talent over being a quality team. Used to be electric watching England 20’s, even in years when we didn’t get great results.
Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:28 pm
by paddy no 11
Irish backrow been very good
Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:30 pm
by FKAS
Well that's the thickest thing I've seen for a while. Elliott Williams pick and go from the back of a secure ruck with no support straight into two Irish defenders. It's on halfway, easy penalty turnover. That's not coaching that's just dim.
I do have to wonder who's coaching our scrum though as we're horrendous in that area.
Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:30 pm
by Epaminondas Pules
Staggeringly bad! They’re going to attack the breakdown so I’d best just watch it and do fuck all about it cause I’m a back!
Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:32 pm
by Epaminondas Pules
pjm1 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:26 pm
This applies to all of our teams… how come we have so much player resource yet we seem to have so little coaching resource?!
Because, in the same way with players, we shun mavericks! We actively promote people who follow the plan!
Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:38 pm
by pjm1
Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:32 pm
pjm1 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:26 pm
This applies to all of our teams… how come we have so much player resource yet we seem to have so little coaching resource?!
Because, in the same way with players, we shun mavericks! We actively promote people who follow the plan!
To be fair, the maverick who has done well is Rassie, obviously. I think most successful coaches are pretty structure focused. But Spreadsheet Bisector takes it to another level, and our U20s look pretty clueless.
Our women are great, but then their coach isn’t English!
Of course; the other maverick was wee Eddie. Not sure we need a repeat of that!
Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:41 pm
by Banquo
Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:32 pm
pjm1 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:26 pm
This applies to all of our teams… how come we have so much player resource yet we seem to have so little coaching resource?!
Because, in the same way with players, we shun mavericks! We actively promote people who follow the plan!
Not sure what Redman does to justify his presence, ditto Mapletoft even Titterell.
To think 10 years or so ago we had the best coaches for developing the young uns
Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:47 pm
by Timbo
Proper dog and pony show that second half.
Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:50 pm
by Epaminondas Pules
Banquo wrote: ↑Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:41 pm
Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:32 pm
pjm1 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:26 pm
This applies to all of our teams… how come we have so much player resource yet we seem to have so little coaching resource?!
Because, in the same way with players, we shun mavericks! We actively promote people who follow the plan!
Not sure what Redman does to justify his presence, ditto Mapletoft even Titterell.
To think 10 years or so ago we had the best coaches for developing the young uns
We did and now it makes me almost cry with anger at the utter shit we promote as elite coaches! It is a complete tower of incompetent yes men!
Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:57 pm
by fivepointer
That was pretty poor. The lack of ambition is hard to take. Its obvious we've got some talented runners but we dont bother to use them. For crissakes lets just play a bit.
On an unrelated issue its clear that refs at this level are not interested in penalising sealing off. Some of that tonight was farcical.
Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2026 7:53 am
by FKAS
It's a disappointing display. I was expecting more cohesion after three weeks together. There's a lot of talent but the squad doesn't seem to work. The tight five is awful, we lack a natural openside to link play and the backline keeps looking like it's stuttering into like only to shut off again.
I was hopeful when Kevin Sorrell was brought in to coach the backs, Sarries backline might not have been the prettiest but it was always very effective with clever plays and good use of that they had. Can't say I'm seeing that here. No idea what Titterall is trying to achieve with the forwards.
Re: U20 6 Nations
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2026 8:45 am
by fivepointer
The coaches have had quite a bit of time with these lads and selection has been pretty consistent. Really you'd expect a lot better.