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Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2025 12:19 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
Which Tyler wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 9:42 am Trump blames Zelensky for starting war after massive Russian attack
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"You don't start a war against someone 20 times your size and then hope that people give you some missiles," he told reporters at the White House, also blaming former US President Joe Biden for the conflict.




Guess his boss had a chat again just before speaking to the press

ETA:
Trump said he had a "great" phone call with Putin last month, and the Russian president sent him a portrait as a gift a week later.
What a piece of shit. Who knows what's going on in his head, but unfortunately, no matter the random shit that comes out of his mouth he's clearly out to make whatever short-term monetary gain he can, no matter the price anyone else has to pay. I was (and continue to be) surprised that he resumed assistance for Ukraine, but perhaps he realizes that total victory for Russia will not likely lead to the peace prize he wants.

Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2025 7:08 am
by Which Tyler

Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:23 pm
by Donny osmond
interesting article in The Week this week, taken from NYT (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... baden.html - needs a subscription)

Shows the close relationship between Ukraine's generals and others, mostly US, and the degree to which they used US intelligence and weapons to come very close to, if not winning, certainly having Russia on the ropes. But then...

Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...

Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 8:41 am
by Son of Mathonwy
Although signing this minerals deal presumably makes sense for Ukraine right now, it's despicable for the US to extort wealth in this way with Ukraine facing existential threat. Under peaceful conditions, there's no way Ukraine would have signed this.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... eal-russia

Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...

Posted: Fri May 02, 2025 7:49 pm
by Sandydragon
Son of Mathonwy wrote: Thu May 01, 2025 8:41 am Although signing this minerals deal presumably makes sense for Ukraine right now, it's despicable for the US to extort wealth in this way with Ukraine facing existential threat. Under peaceful conditions, there's no way Ukraine would have signed this.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... eal-russia
It’s despicable. I don’t think Ukraine has any choice. The alternative is very high risk. The US has just authorised a shipment of $50m of new military aid. That’s not much really but is symbolic that perhaps Trump is now begging to find some balance here, or at least wants to protect his investment. There are also signs that Russia isn’t happy with the arrangement; will they risk annoying Trump? Will Trump change his mind next week? Anything is possible.

Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...

Posted: Tue May 13, 2025 8:29 am
by Which Tyler

Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2025 7:29 pm
by paddy no 11
Can't say I follow the military side of this but looks like Ukraine have landed a serious blow with this drone attack

Vlad will be throwing fellas out windows all evening

Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2025 9:21 pm
by Galfon
Drone warfare, whether it's these far distant remote controlled
( but tucked in your own pocket at the same time ), or the fibre-optic battlefield stuff are a pretty scary reminder of the speed sci-fi can become reality. Don't know who's winning the race with this stuff.
A couple of large bridges just collapsed close to the Ukr border too, but 'nowt to do with us guv.', and not relevant to any talks, for sure.

Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2025 6:17 pm
by Sandydragon
paddy no 11 wrote: Sun Jun 01, 2025 7:29 pm Can't say I follow the military side of this but looks like Ukraine have landed a serious blow with this drone attack

Vlad will be throwing fellas out windows all evening
Reputationally very embarrassing. It won’t change the course of the war but it makes Putin look weak which is a result in itself.

The only problem with that is you don’t know who would replace him if toppled.

Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2025 7:58 pm
by paddy no 11
Sandydragon wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 6:17 pm
paddy no 11 wrote: Sun Jun 01, 2025 7:29 pm Can't say I follow the military side of this but looks like Ukraine have landed a serious blow with this drone attack

Vlad will be throwing fellas out windows all evening
Reputationally very embarrassing. It won’t change the course of the war but it makes Putin look weak which is a result in itself.

The only problem with that is you don’t know who would replace him if toppled.
I don't want to find out but I'm not sure anyone could be worse, putin arrived at the right time and done his deals with the oligarchs, nobody knows his true personal wealth nobody who comes after him will have such clout,...........that could be nonsense also

Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2025 8:13 pm
by Danno
At least his chef isn't around anymore.

If he does go I could see the power vacuum tearing the place apart and Ukraine shoving them back over the border, reclaiming the Crimean peninsula, joining NATO and never having to worry about Russia again.

Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 7:09 am
by Sandydragon
Danno wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 8:13 pm At least his chef isn't around anymore.

If he does go I could see the power vacuum tearing the place apart and Ukraine shoving them back over the border, reclaiming the Crimean peninsula, joining NATO and never having to worry about Russia again.
That’s one scenario but I wouldn’t bet the farm on it. Putin isn’t a man alone, plenty agree with his warped view and apparently some feel Putin isn’t strong enough.

I’m not sure I’d want to see the outcome of a tactical nuke being used.


If there is a coup then I’d expect plotters to ensure the army in Ukraine is onside so they don’t desert their posts. Any collapse in moral would have to be sustained for Ukraine to really make hay.

Maybe if we’re lucky and Putin keeps over, his replacement decides it’s just not worth the cost and agrees to terms. My o it concern is that the losses have been so great that any Russian leader is effectively boxed in.

Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 7:41 am
by Danno
I'm being incredibly optimistic up there

Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 12:49 pm
by Sandydragon
Danno wrote: Tue Jun 10, 2025 7:41 am I'm being incredibly optimistic up there
I really hope you’re right.

Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:40 pm
by Zhivago
Galfon wrote: Sun Jun 01, 2025 9:21 pm Drone warfare, whether it's these far distant remote controlled
( but tucked in your own pocket at the same time ), or the fibre-optic battlefield stuff are a pretty scary reminder of the speed sci-fi can become reality. Don't know who's winning the race with this stuff.
A couple of large bridges just collapsed close to the Ukr border too, but 'nowt to do with us guv.', and not relevant to any talks, for sure.
I kid you not - I've seen a video where this was countered with scissors.

Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:42 pm
by Zhivago
Sandydragon wrote: Tue Jun 10, 2025 7:09 am
Danno wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 8:13 pm At least his chef isn't around anymore.

If he does go I could see the power vacuum tearing the place apart and Ukraine shoving them back over the border, reclaiming the Crimean peninsula, joining NATO and never having to worry about Russia again.
That’s one scenario but I wouldn’t bet the farm on it. Putin isn’t a man alone, plenty agree with his warped view and apparently some feel Putin isn’t strong enough.

I’m not sure I’d want to see the outcome of a tactical nuke being used.


If there is a coup then I’d expect plotters to ensure the army in Ukraine is onside so they don’t desert their posts. Any collapse in moral would have to be sustained for Ukraine to really make hay.

Maybe if we’re lucky and Putin keeps over, his replacement decides it’s just not worth the cost and agrees to terms. My o it concern is that the losses have been so great that any Russian leader is effectively boxed in.
The vox populi that you can easily find on YouTube attests to this.