Team v Ireland

[hugh_woatmeigh]

A few players who had 'big' games in the two wins were poor today. Barclay and Hardie come to mind. Despite Gray's try he was darting out of the defensive line all day. We missed Jonny as well even though Swinson wasn't poor himself.

On the whole they were just not mentally there and the ref whistled them out of the game the entire first half which made it incredibly difficult.

[Big D]

Granted I have no desire to watch it back Gray wasn't the only one to rush out the line. Looked like the defensive game plan in certain situations.

[Chunks Baws]

Meat balls time is up. Absolutely rank. Not as rank Sextons acting though. A performance Liam Williams and Dan Biggar would be proud of.

[hugh_woatmeigh]

Granted I have no desire to watch it back Gray wasn't the only one to rush out the line. Looked like the defensive game plan in certain situations.

You are quite right but on two occasions his dart made it all too each for Ireland to carve us open.

[hugh_woatmeigh]

Meat balls time is up. Absolutely rank. Not as rank Sextons acting though. A performance Liam Williams and Dan Biggar would be proud of.

And perhaps Stuart Hogg? Scotland are hardly innocent.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

A few players who had 'big' games in the two wins were poor today. Barclay and Hardie come to mind. Despite Gray's try he was darting out of the defensive line all day. We missed Jonny as well even though Swinson wasn't poor himself.

On the whole they were just not mentally there and the ref whistled them out of the game the entire first half which made it incredibly difficult.

You lot really need to quit whining about refs. You were whistled because every single breakdown without fail you hung around trying to prevent us from contesting it. Gauzere demanded both sides cleared the breakdown. We started out clearing away much quicker than you did - we were moving to the side rather than not moving at all or like Barclay pretending to contest the breakdown 5 hours after being beaten by the ruck - and we also had much more of the ball so you were committing more offences. You didn't even learn. A halfway competent side might have done the prep to see what he would be doing or adjusted what they were doing to the way he was reffing but the picture you painted from the very first breakdown was of a team determined to kill ball at all costs, whereas the picture we painted was of a team trying to get back into the defensive line as quickly as possible. It is little wonder that we got the benefit of the doubt when later in the game we stopped clearing out of the way anywhere near as quickly.

[Chunks Baws]

Meat balls time is up. Absolutely rank. Not as rank Sextons acting though. A performance Liam Williams and Dan Biggar would be proud of.

And perhaps Stuart Hogg? Scotland are hardly innocent.

What you on about?

[Chunks Baws]

A few players who had 'big' games in the two wins were poor today. Barclay and Hardie come to mind. Despite Gray's try he was darting out of the defensive line all day. We missed Jonny as well even though Swinson wasn't poor himself.

On the whole they were just not mentally there and the ref whistled them out of the game the entire first half which made it incredibly difficult.

You lot really need to quit whining about refs. You were whistled because every single breakdown without fail you hung around trying to prevent us from contesting it. Gauzere demanded both sides cleared the breakdown. We started out clearing away much quicker than you did - we were moving to the side rather than not moving at all or like Barclay pretending to contest the breakdown 5 hours after being beaten by the ruck - and we also had much more of the ball so you were committing more offences. You didn't even learn. A halfway competent side might have done the prep to see what he would be doing or adjusted what they were doing to the way he was reffing but the picture you painted from the very first breakdown was of a team determined to kill ball at all costs, whereas the picture we painted was of a team trying to get back into the defensive line as quickly as possible. It is little wonder that we got the benefit of the doubt when later in the game we stopped clearing out of the way anywhere near as quickly.

You mad bro?

[Spiffy]

Not a lot of enthusiasm to shake hands there from either side. Niggly game that and not that enjoyable to watch.

Ireland good value for the win I think. Ten points perhaps a bit too much but given the first 20 minutes don't think we can argue. Got to play for the full 80.

Scotland have some great individual players and are nearly a goood team. They need some organization and rugby smarts. Laidlaw is a great kicker but is not that dynamic in general play. He seems to come across in post game interviews as a bit of a grumpy wee bogger too.

[Mikey Brown]

Well that was awful. Reffing had a lot to be desired but the game was there to be played and we ballsed it up. No particular shame in losing to a very experienced Ireland side but my god they're horrible to watch.

[Chunks Baws]

Well that was awful. Reffing had a lot to be desired but the game was there to be played and we ballsed it up. No particular shame in losing to a very experienced Ireland side but my god they're horrible to watch.

They make make Gatball look sexy.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

Not a lot of enthusiasm to shake hands there from either side. Niggly game that and not that enjoyable to watch.

Ireland good value for the win I think. Ten points perhaps a bit too much but given the first 20 minutes don't think we can argue. Got to play for the full 80.

Scotland have some great individual players and are nearly a goood team. They need some organization and rugby smarts. Laidlaw is a great kicker but is not that dynamic in general play. He seems to come across in post game interviews as a bit of a grumpy wee bogger too.

He also does everything in his power to aggravate the referee. Told to go and speak to his team about the offences they were committing he walked off shaking his head and spoke to no one. A lot of captains do it, but it's complete madness.

[Big D]

There are some positives from this 6N and even this game. We have attacking shape and are scoring good tries - rugby dump coaching have some good YouTube videos on it. Losing 3 our of 5 bur having a positive points differential is unusual for us.

But, our discipline was poor and in a very related point our leadership was terrible today. Several senior players on that park and they should have been able to sort it out and adapt to the referee.

On the defensive side we are poor. We are having to score too many and we give up territory really easily and no change in defensive game plan when it isn't working.

[Mikey Brown]

I'm not sure why this one pisses me off so much. That was a big chance for this team to take a step forward.

Laidlaw, admirable as he is in a couple of areas, is not the guy to do that. Again with all the fucking around in our 22. Do he or the other players know if the plan is simply to flop over inside the 22 and then clear? Because nobody seems sure.

We need to develop some sort of way to deal with completely fucktard refs. Decisions went opposite ways for both teams committing the same offence but that will happen. Apparently he was eventually got a card out for Ireland?

Weir is not a test player.

We have no depth.

Sexton, you should be utterly ashamed of yourself.

[Matt Ha]

At least it wasn't another end-of-season spanking. Ireland were good, and showed much of the guile and experience that has won them so many games. On the plus side, three really good tries (the last one-with the snappy passing-was a real beauty). Anyway despite today, our best 6Ns in an eternity and real signs that we are at last leaving the darkness.

[Adder]

To be fair with Weir, this was probably the hardest game for us this tournament.
I think he is still young, he could still comeback. He needs to settle his nerves.

[Pieman]

Disappointing from us, just couldn't get into the game in the first half and the yellow cards really killed us off. That Earls try was also a shocker.

Although Ireland are an incredibly dull team to watch, their error count was very low today, they didn't make a handling error until 53 minutes or something despite all that possession. Pretty impressive.

Sexton should be embarrassed about his play acting but it was always going to be a yellow anyway.

Weir was also really poor, those basic errors seem to happen a lot for him at this level. He always gives 100% but we really missed Russell today.

All in all, a disappointing day. We never looked like winning but still scored some decent tries. Lots of work to do but an improvement on last year.

[ARM]

A few players who had 'big' games in the two wins were poor today. Barclay and Hardie come to mind. Despite Gray's try he was darting out of the defensive line all day. We missed Jonny as well even though Swinson wasn't poor himself.

On the whole they were just not mentally there and the ref whistled them out of the game the entire first half which made it incredibly difficult.

You lot really need to quit whining about refs. You were whistled because every single breakdown without fail you hung around trying to prevent us from contesting it. Gauzere demanded both sides cleared the breakdown. We started out clearing away much quicker than you did - we were moving to the side rather than not moving at all or like Barclay pretending to contest the breakdown 5 hours after being beaten by the ruck - and we also had much mnore of the ball so you were committing more offences. You didn't even learn. A halfway competent side might have done the prep to see what he would be doing or adjusted what they were doing to the way he was reffing but the picture you painted from the very first breakdown was of a team determined to kill ball at all costs, whereas the picture we painted was of a team trying to get back into the defensive line as quickly as possible. It is little wonder that we got the benefit of the doubt when later in the game we stopped clearing out of the way anywhere near as quickly.

Congrats on the win.

Ireland certainly played the ref better but I don't think he allowed Scotland to compete at the breakdown in the first half.

Irish won as they have much better halfbacks.

But they remain a desperately cynical bunch.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

A few players who had 'big' games in the two wins were poor today. Barclay and Hardie come to mind. Despite Gray's try he was darting out of the defensive line all day. We missed Jonny as well even though Swinson wasn't poor himself.

On the whole they were just not mentally there and the ref whistled them out of the game the entire first half which made it incredibly difficult.

You lot really need to quit whining about refs. You were whistled because every single breakdown without fail you hung around trying to prevent us from contesting it. Gauzere demanded both sides cleared the breakdown. We started out clearing away much quicker than you did - we were moving to the side rather than not moving at all or like Barclay pretending to contest the breakdown 5 hours after being beaten by the ruck - and we also had much mnore of the ball so you were committing more offences. You didn't even learn. A halfway competent side might have done the prep to see what he would be doing or adjusted what they were doing to the way he was reffing but the picture you painted from the very first breakdown was of a team determined to kill ball at all costs, whereas the picture we painted was of a team trying to get back into the defensive line as quickly as possible. It is little wonder that we got the benefit of the doubt when later in the game we stopped clearing out of the way anywhere near as quickly.

Congrats on the win.

Ireland certainly played the ref better but I don't think he allowed Scotland to compete at the breakdown in the first half.

Irish won as they have much better halfbacks.

But they remain a desperately cynical bunch.

More cynical than a scottish team who set out to commit an offence at every breakdown? Sure.

[hugh_woatmeigh]

Meat balls time is up. Absolutely rank. Not as rank Sextons acting though. A performance Liam Williams and Dan Biggar would be proud of.

And perhaps Stuart Hogg? Scotland are hardly innocent.

What you on about?

Hogg dives and acts all the time. I'd say he's worse than those 3.

[hugh_woatmeigh]

Not a lot of enthusiasm to shake hands there from either side. Niggly game that and not that enjoyable to watch.

Ireland good value for the win I think. Ten points perhaps a bit too much but given the first 20 minutes don't think we can argue. Got to play for the full 80.

Scotland have some great individual players and are nearly a goood team. They need some organization and rugby smarts. Laidlaw is a great kicker but is not that dynamic in general play. He seems to come across in post game interviews as a bit of a grumpy wee bogger too.

He also does everything in his power to aggravate the referee. Told to go and speak to his team about the offences they were committing he walked off shaking his head and spoke to no one. A lot of captains do it, but it's complete madness.

I don't think anyone would disagree if you said Scotland were lacking a real leader right now. I have high hopes for Jonny Gray as a player but he's an introverted chap, I'm not sure he will develop into the talismanic captain we're hoping for. It could well be Scott Cummings long term but for the time being it looks like an area where we're completely devoid of any top class leadership.

[ARM]

You lot really need to quit whining about refs. You were whistled because every single breakdown without fail you hung around trying to prevent us from contesting it. Gauzere demanded both sides cleared the breakdown. We started out clearing away much quicker than you did - we were moving to the side rather than not moving at all or like Barclay pretending to contest the breakdown 5 hours after being beaten by the ruck - and we also had much mnore of the ball so you were committing more offences. You didn't even learn. A halfway competent side might have done the prep to see what he would be doing or adjusted what they were doing to the way he was reffing but the picture you painted from the very first breakdown was of a team determined to kill ball at all costs, whereas the picture we painted was of a team trying to get back into the defensive line as quickly as possible. It is little wonder that we got the benefit of the doubt when later in the game we stopped clearing out of the way anywhere near as quickly.

Congrats on the win.

Ireland certainly played the ref better but I don't think he allowed Scotland to compete at the breakdown in the first half.

Irish won as they have much better halfbacks.

But they remain a desperately cynical bunch.

More cynical than a scottish team who set out to commit an offence at every breakdown? Sure.

Yes. Puir wee Jonny Sexton's play acting. Playing men beyond the breakdown as per. Extensive arm waving and faux hard-mannery. Keith Earls for being Keith Earls. BODs trousers.

There's no shame in being embarrassed by all of that.

[Mikey Brown]

And perhaps Stuart Hogg? Scotland are hardly innocent.

What you on about?

Hogg dives and acts all the time. I'd say he's worse than those 3.

All the time??? I can't remember anything as vomit-inducing as Sexton earlier, maybe I've missed some incidents.

[hugh_woatmeigh]

What you on about?

Hogg dives and acts all the time. I'd say he's worse than those 3.

All the time??? I can't remember anything as vomit-inducing as Sexton earlier, maybe I've missed some incidents.

A couple of times for Glasgow and his dive in the RWC was certainly a lot more vomit inducing than Sexton's one earlier...

[Eugene Wrayburn]

Congrats on the win.

Ireland certainly played the ref better but I don't think he allowed Scotland to compete at the breakdown in the first half.

Irish won as they have much better halfbacks.

But they remain a desperately cynical bunch.

More cynical than a scottish team who set out to commit an offence at every breakdown? Sure.

Yes. Puir wee Jonny Sexton's play acting. Playing men beyond the breakdown as per. Extensive arm waving and faux hard-mannery. Keith Earls for being Keith Earls. BODs trousers.

There's no shame in being embarrassed by all of that.

I do wonder if you lot all watch Scotland games through your fingers (who could blame you) and it somehow obscures the Scotland team committing penalty offences. Scotland are every bit as bad at taking people out beyond the ball. Hell there was a supremely comedic moment in this game when one of your players tipped over one of ours about 5m away from the breakdown right under the nose of the ref with no penalty awarded.