England vs Australia

[Scrumhead]

IBWT

IBWDNT

[Mellsblue]

Oh f**k off. Without Smith, we’d have been nowhere near.

Yep. The only bright spot in the backs - players, coaches or tactics.

[Puja]

Austin Healey chirping on about abandoning the blitz defence while ignoring the fact that it was simple basic tackles through the middle that we were missing, sometimes with just one-on-one carries seeing players getting bounced. I was screaming at MSmith for stepping in to give away the try on the last play, but I'm not sure I can blame anyone for not having faith in an England player making one-on-one tackles.

35 tackles missed. Don't know what El-Abd is doing, but it's not working.

IBWT

Need to win next week. Don't care if it's South Africa - it's not acceptable to lose all three of the big AIs, after losing both of the big summer tests - they've now made that game a must-win.

Puja

[Mellsblue]

In Borthwick We Bust.

[Danno]

Smith has got to be credited for at least 30 of our 37 points. No-one else created anything. I didn't notice Ford at all, he might as well have been a tackle bag

[Mellsblue]

Don't know what El-Abd is doing, but it's not working.

Puja

He hadn’t had much time to do anything. There’s coaches who’ve actually been there long enough to cop the blame for the recurring shambles.

[Mr Mwenda]

Oh f**k off. Without Smith, we’d have been nowhere near.

Is this aimed at me? Feels like it. Doesn't seem nice. I don't disagree that Smith was part of all the good stuff. But he was also part of what was another poor team showing. Quite a number of players don't come out of that with any positive credit.

[p/d]

Will our attack coach be appointed in time for the 6n’s?

[fivepointer]

Terrible.

Conceding 42 pts at home is utterly shocking. Its not as if Australia had to work hard for the pts either.

A big reverse today after some modest improvement over the last 6 games.

[Spiffy]

Exciting game, though much sloppy stuff from both sides. England do look a bit short of pace in the midfield.

[Mr Mwenda]

Will our attack coach be appointed in time for the 6n’s?

Who is in charge of anything? I've lost track.

[Epaminondas Pules]

Hilariously bad! Borthwick out! And take the rest of them with you!! It’s just Jones MkII without the initial upcurve!

[Which Tyler]

Oh f**k off. Without Smith, we’d have been nowhere near.

England's best player today.
Doesn't mean he was faultless, and can't be ide tidied for mistakes.

[Which Tyler]

Hilariously bad! Borthwick out! And take the rest of them with you!! It’s just Jones MkII without the initial upcurve!

I'm very close to being there now.
I've yet to be convinced by Borthwick, but was willing to give him a chance.
He's yet to beat par for the players at his disposal, needed 2 from 4 this Autumn and at least 3rd in the 6N.
Once he's confirmed as not hitting 2 from 4, I'll call for his head (but expect him to see out the season anyway)

[Epaminondas Pules]

Every facet has gone backwards. Novice coaches gonna bring novice results! Experienced coaches walk away from the environment. Players looks absolutely lost. Eddie Jones protege turns out to be Eddie Jones protege!

[Oakboy]

Hilariously bad! Borthwick out! And take the rest of them with you!! It’s just Jones MkII without the initial upcurve!

I'm very close to being there now.
I've yet to be convinced by Borthwick, but was willing to give him a chance.
He's yet to beat par for the players at his disposal, needed 2 from 4 this Autumn and at least 3rd in the 6N.
Once he's confirmed as not hitting 2 from 4, I'll call for his head (but expect him to see out the season anyway)

Borthwick seems wrong in his initial selections. From that point he has two chances to improve things: his half-time talk and his replacements. Judging by today's result he did not get anything right at HT and his substitutions made little sense.

LCD and Baxter should have started. The back row, apart from CCS, remains shambolic. No doubt we'll hear bad-luck croaks about Curry but I still don't think he or Earl should have started. Dombrandt should not be in the 23.

[pjm1]

Awful.

[Puja]

Hilariously bad! Borthwick out! And take the rest of them with you!! It’s just Jones MkII without the initial upcurve!

I'm very close to being there now.
I've yet to be convinced by Borthwick, but was willing to give him a chance.
He's yet to beat par for the players at his disposal, needed 2 from 4 this Autumn and at least 3rd in the 6N.
Once he's confirmed as not hitting 2 from 4, I'll call for his head (but expect him to see out the season anyway)

Borthwick seems wrong in his initial selections. From that point he has two chances to improve things: his half-time talk and his replacements. Judging by today's result he did not get anything right at HT and his substitutions made little sense.

LCD and Baxter should have started. The back row, apart from CCS, remains shambolic. No doubt we'll hear bad-luck croaks about Curry but I still don't think he or Earl should have started. Dombrandt should not be in the 23.

Weren't we leading 15-3 and dominating at the point TCurry went off (after he was heavily involved in both our tries)? Seems a bit harsh to be dragging him right now.

Puja

[fivepointer]

I think most of us thought the starting XV was fair enough. Maybe one or two on the bench were questionable but on the whole the 23 seemed about right.
But jeez the actual performance veered from pedestrian and limited with the ball to utter incompetence without it.
Difficult to take too much comfort from such a loss, even though we did get into winning positions twice. Conceding 42 is bad. Really bad. Without Smith we would have created nothing. Our forwards had no punch and our backs had no devil.
Something very plainly isnt working.
I'm not at the get SB out stage yet, but we need to see something in the next games this autumn and in the 6N's otherwise he's going to come under severe pressure.

[Mellsblue]

I'm very close to being there now.
I've yet to be convinced by Borthwick, but was willing to give him a chance.
He's yet to beat par for the players at his disposal, needed 2 from 4 this Autumn and at least 3rd in the 6N.
Once he's confirmed as not hitting 2 from 4, I'll call for his head (but expect him to see out the season anyway)

Borthwick seems wrong in his initial selections. From that point he has two chances to improve things: his half-time talk and his replacements. Judging by today's result he did not get anything right at HT and his substitutions made little sense.

LCD and Baxter should have started. The back row, apart from CCS, remains shambolic. No doubt we'll hear bad-luck croaks about Curry but I still don't think he or Earl should have started. Dombrandt should not be in the 23.

Weren't we leading 15-3 and dominating at the point TCurry went off (after he was heavily involved in both our tries)? Seems a bit harsh to be dragging him right now.

Puja

We all have our hills we’re willing to die on…

[p/d]

I'm very close to being there now.
I've yet to be convinced by Borthwick, but was willing to give him a chance.
He's yet to beat par for the players at his disposal, needed 2 from 4 this Autumn and at least 3rd in the 6N.
Once he's confirmed as not hitting 2 from 4, I'll call for his head (but expect him to see out the season anyway)

Borthwick seems wrong in his initial selections. From that point he has two chances to improve things: his half-time talk and his replacements. Judging by today's result he did not get anything right at HT and his substitutions made little sense.

LCD and Baxter should have started. The back row, apart from CCS, remains shambolic. No doubt we'll hear bad-luck croaks about Curry but I still don't think he or Earl should have started. Dombrandt should not be in the 23.

Weren't we leading 15-3 and dominating at the point TCurry went off (after he was heavily involved in both our tries)? Seems a bit harsh to be dragging him right now.

Puja

Hush now Puja.

[Epaminondas Pules]

I’m not sure how anything changes with the current setup. None of them have the experience to do anything different! It is a total mess. And to think we could have had Razor!

[Scrumhead]

Oh f**k off. Without Smith, we’d have been nowhere near.

Is this aimed at me? Feels like it. Doesn't seem nice. I don't disagree that Smith was part of all the good stuff. But he was also part of what was another poor team showing. Quite a number of players don't come out of that with any positive credit.

I took exception to the ‘on balance’ part. Yes, he may have been responsible for that last try, but he was also responsible for almost all of our points. So not ‘on balance’ at all. That type of thinking means we choose to belittle one of he few positives we have.

[Scrumhead]

I’m not sure how anything changes with the current setup. None of them have the experience to do anything different! It is a total mess. And to think we could have had Razor!

First point, fair enough, I agree but is Razor’s record at test level particularly notable? I think most would argue NZ have been sub par under his tenure so far.

[Scrumhead]

I think most of us thought the starting XV was fair enough. Maybe one or two on the bench were questionable but on the whole the 23 seemed about right.
But jeez the actual performance veered from pedestrian and limited with the ball to utter incompetence without it.
Difficult to take too much comfort from such a loss, even though we did get into winning positions twice. Conceding 42 is bad. Really bad. Without Smith we would have created nothing. Our forwards had no punch and our backs had no devil.
Something very plainly isnt working.
I'm not at the get SB out stage yet, but we need to see something in the next games this autumn and in the 6N's otherwise he's going to come under severe pressure.

Absolutely agree on all points.