Re: England vs Australia
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:15 pm
Yep. The only bright spot in the backs - players, coaches or tactics.
Need to win next week. Don't care if it's South Africa - it's not acceptable to lose all three of the big AIs, after losing both of the big summer tests - they've now made that game a must-win.
Is this aimed at me? Feels like it. Doesn't seem nice. I don't disagree that Smith was part of all the good stuff. But he was also part of what was another poor team showing. Quite a number of players don't come out of that with any positive credit.
I'm very close to being there now.Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:23 pm Hilariously bad! Borthwick out! And take the rest of them with you!! It’s just Jones MkII without the initial upcurve!
Borthwick seems wrong in his initial selections. From that point he has two chances to improve things: his half-time talk and his replacements. Judging by today's result he did not get anything right at HT and his substitutions made little sense.Which Tyler wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:32 pmI'm very close to being there now.Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:23 pm Hilariously bad! Borthwick out! And take the rest of them with you!! It’s just Jones MkII without the initial upcurve!
I've yet to be convinced by Borthwick, but was willing to give him a chance.
He's yet to beat par for the players at his disposal, needed 2 from 4 this Autumn and at least 3rd in the 6N.
Once he's confirmed as not hitting 2 from 4, I'll call for his head (but expect him to see out the season anyway)
Weren't we leading 15-3 and dominating at the point TCurry went off (after he was heavily involved in both our tries)? Seems a bit harsh to be dragging him right now.Oakboy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:40 pmBorthwick seems wrong in his initial selections. From that point he has two chances to improve things: his half-time talk and his replacements. Judging by today's result he did not get anything right at HT and his substitutions made little sense.Which Tyler wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:32 pmI'm very close to being there now.Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:23 pm Hilariously bad! Borthwick out! And take the rest of them with you!! It’s just Jones MkII without the initial upcurve!
I've yet to be convinced by Borthwick, but was willing to give him a chance.
He's yet to beat par for the players at his disposal, needed 2 from 4 this Autumn and at least 3rd in the 6N.
Once he's confirmed as not hitting 2 from 4, I'll call for his head (but expect him to see out the season anyway)
LCD and Baxter should have started. The back row, apart from CCS, remains shambolic. No doubt we'll hear bad-luck croaks about Curry but I still don't think he or Earl should have started. Dombrandt should not be in the 23.
We all have our hills we’re willing to die on…Puja wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:46 pmWeren't we leading 15-3 and dominating at the point TCurry went off (after he was heavily involved in both our tries)? Seems a bit harsh to be dragging him right now.Oakboy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:40 pmBorthwick seems wrong in his initial selections. From that point he has two chances to improve things: his half-time talk and his replacements. Judging by today's result he did not get anything right at HT and his substitutions made little sense.Which Tyler wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:32 pm
I'm very close to being there now.
I've yet to be convinced by Borthwick, but was willing to give him a chance.
He's yet to beat par for the players at his disposal, needed 2 from 4 this Autumn and at least 3rd in the 6N.
Once he's confirmed as not hitting 2 from 4, I'll call for his head (but expect him to see out the season anyway)
LCD and Baxter should have started. The back row, apart from CCS, remains shambolic. No doubt we'll hear bad-luck croaks about Curry but I still don't think he or Earl should have started. Dombrandt should not be in the 23.
Puja
Hush now Puja.Puja wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:46 pmWeren't we leading 15-3 and dominating at the point TCurry went off (after he was heavily involved in both our tries)? Seems a bit harsh to be dragging him right now.Oakboy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:40 pmBorthwick seems wrong in his initial selections. From that point he has two chances to improve things: his half-time talk and his replacements. Judging by today's result he did not get anything right at HT and his substitutions made little sense.Which Tyler wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:32 pm
I'm very close to being there now.
I've yet to be convinced by Borthwick, but was willing to give him a chance.
He's yet to beat par for the players at his disposal, needed 2 from 4 this Autumn and at least 3rd in the 6N.
Once he's confirmed as not hitting 2 from 4, I'll call for his head (but expect him to see out the season anyway)
LCD and Baxter should have started. The back row, apart from CCS, remains shambolic. No doubt we'll hear bad-luck croaks about Curry but I still don't think he or Earl should have started. Dombrandt should not be in the 23.
Puja
I took exception to the ‘on balance’ part. Yes, he may have been responsible for that last try, but he was also responsible for almost all of our points. So not ‘on balance’ at all. That type of thinking means we choose to belittle one of he few positives we have.
First point, fair enough, I agree but is Razor’s record at test level particularly notable? I think most would argue NZ have been sub par under his tenure so far.Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:58 pm I’m not sure how anything changes with the current setup. None of them have the experience to do anything different! It is a total mess. And to think we could have had Razor!
Absolutely agree on all points.fivepointer wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:50 pm I think most of us thought the starting XV was fair enough. Maybe one or two on the bench were questionable but on the whole the 23 seemed about right.
But jeez the actual performance veered from pedestrian and limited with the ball to utter incompetence without it.
Difficult to take too much comfort from such a loss, even though we did get into winning positions twice. Conceding 42 is bad. Really bad. Without Smith we would have created nothing. Our forwards had no punch and our backs had no devil.
Something very plainly isnt working.
I'm not at the get SB out stage yet, but we need to see something in the next games this autumn and in the 6N's otherwise he's going to come under severe pressure.