America

[Stones of granite]

What they really need is an ex Navy Seal working as a Chef in the school kitchen.

[Which Tyler]

No argument here

Never having tried it I'd imagine in an environment like a school with multiple buildings, corridors, different outside spaces and so on running toward gunfire isn't all that easy. You'd know there was a noise, but you quite likely wouldn't know if you were running toward or away

Add in lots of screaming students scattering in all direction from an attacher who will likely be dressed and at first glance look the same.

This is why British police firearms officers train so much.

FTFY

[BBD]

What they really need is an ex Navy Seal working as a Chef in the school kitchen.

he's just the cook

[Stones of granite]

Which is why it's completely ludicrous to want to arm teachers, particularly ones untrained, when they've most likely not got the compulsion or conviction to run towards gunfire.

No argument here

Never having tried it I'd imagine in an environment like a school with multiple buildings, corridors, different outside spaces and so on running toward gunfire isn't all that easy. You'd know there was a noise, but you quite likely wouldn't know if you were running toward or away

That's one aspect of it. I'm sure that there aren't very many of us on here (with one or two obvious exceptions) who have any concept of what it takes to de-holster a pistol and deliberately seek out a firefight with an unknown number of adversaries armed with unknown types and numbers of weapons, and located in an unknown tactical position. Both from a technical, tactical point of view, and from a mental point of view.

[OptimisticJock]

You mean, its not like in the movies??

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[Digby]

No argument here

Never having tried it I'd imagine in an environment like a school with multiple buildings, corridors, different outside spaces and so on running toward gunfire isn't all that easy. You'd know there was a noise, but you quite likely wouldn't know if you were running toward or away

Add in lots of screaming students scattering in all direction from an attacher who will likely be dressed and at first glance look the same.

This is why police firearms officers train so much.

Don't worry I heard one of the chaps training teachers to shoot on Today earlier, and they have a 3 day training course. Tbh if you haven't learnt it all after a whole 3 days you're just not paying attention. Mocking aside there was a teacher on also and she despite being former military didn't think it suitable for her to have a firearm in a classroom, though (and perhaps the mocking should start again) she did allow armed guards as a possible

[morepork]

I wonder if anybody has bothered to consider what the outcome will be when one of these armed teachers wakes up one morning and thinks their life will be fixed if they go to work and shoot a few kids?

There are around 3.2 million professional school teachers in the US. If 20% of them are armed then that means 640,000 of them are taking a gun to school every day.

The incidence of PTSD in the general population of the US is estimated at between 7-8%, which can be extrapolated to suggest that somewhere between 44,800 and 51,200 people would be walking into American schools every morning armed with a weapon and some form of mental disorder.

But wait! If the intent is to concentrate the carriage of guns into a 20% of "gun-adept teachers with military or special training experience," then the incidence of PTSD in the military population must be taken into consideration. According to peer-reviewed research (Psychological Services Vol9, No4, 361-382 (2012)) the prevalence of PTSD among former Servicemen and women who have served in recent conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan is between 14-16%. This would suggest that between 89,600 and 102,400 people would be walking into school in the US every morning armed with a weapon, a mental disorder and military training!

Has he thought this through?

Very, very good post; not "like" worthy - as there's very little to actually like in this.
I'm gonna nick your stats though

It's common fucking sense. All the data is out there.

[BBD]

Whether the teacher is suffering from a mental illness or PTSD is almost beside the point. Think about when you were at school, especially if you had a substitute teacher that day

Anyone who has worked with kids knows that on occasions the little cherubs can be incredibly frustrating to deal with before any actual teaching can commence. Arming the teachers is throwing a lighted match into the powder keg

[morepork]

Whether the teacher is suffering from a mental illness or PTSD is almost beside the point. Think about when you were at school, especially if you had a substitute teacher that day

Anyone who has worked with kids knows that on occasions the little cherubs can be incredibly frustrating to deal with before any actual teaching can commence. Arming the teachers is throwing a lighted match into the powder keg

The incidence of a spectrum of mental disorder among the general population the relevant point because it is a concrete metric that (should) negate endless anecdotal discussion. You can plan policy around evidence based observation, or you can plan it around talk back radio.

[SerjeantWildgoose]

Which is why it's completely ludicrous to want to arm teachers, particularly ones untrained, when they've most likely not got the compulsion or conviction to run towards gunfire.

No argument here

Never having tried it I'd imagine in an environment like a school with multiple buildings, corridors, different outside spaces and so on running toward gunfire isn't all that easy. You'd know there was a noise, but you quite likely wouldn't know if you were running toward or away

Surely you can get a Saturday detention for running in any direction in the school corridors?

[Stones of granite]

No argument here

Never having tried it I'd imagine in an environment like a school with multiple buildings, corridors, different outside spaces and so on running toward gunfire isn't all that easy. You'd know there was a noise, but you quite likely wouldn't know if you were running toward or away

Surely you can get a Saturday detention for running in any direction in the school corridors?

It depends. If you manage to take out the Year Head with a couple of well-aimed shots before he tells the Headie, you'll be fine.

[OptimisticJock]

I wonder if anybody has bothered to consider what the outcome will be when one of these armed teachers wakes up one morning and thinks their life will be fixed if they go to work and shoot a few kids?

There are around 3.2 million professional school teachers in the US. If 20% of them are armed then that means 640,000 of them are taking a gun to school every day.

The incidence of PTSD in the general population of the US is estimated at between 7-8%, which can be extrapolated to suggest that somewhere between 44,800 and 51,200 people would be walking into American schools every morning armed with a weapon and some form of mental disorder.

But wait! If the intent is to concentrate the carriage of guns into a 20% of "gun-adept teachers with military or special training experience," then the incidence of PTSD in the military population must be taken into consideration. According to peer-reviewed research (Psychological Services Vol9, No4, 361-382 (2012)) the prevalence of PTSD among former Servicemen and women who have served in recent conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan is between 14-16%. This would suggest that between 89,600 and 102,400 people would be walking into school in the US every morning armed with a weapon, a mental disorder and military training!

Has he thought this through?

I never realised the stats were so high for the yanks. Even ignoring whether ir not they've implemented a TRiM style template that's a disturbing stat.

[Sandydragon]

Whether the teacher is suffering from a mental illness or PTSD is almost beside the point. Think about when you were at school, especially if you had a substitute teacher that day

Anyone who has worked with kids knows that on occasions the little cherubs can be incredibly frustrating to deal with before any actual teaching can commence. Arming the teachers is throwing a lighted match into the powder keg

And what happens when some stroppy teenager makes a grab for the pistol?

[Sandydragon]

I wonder if anybody has bothered to consider what the outcome will be when one of these armed teachers wakes up one morning and thinks their life will be fixed if they go to work and shoot a few kids?

There are around 3.2 million professional school teachers in the US. If 20% of them are armed then that means 640,000 of them are taking a gun to school every day.

The incidence of PTSD in the general population of the US is estimated at between 7-8%, which can be extrapolated to suggest that somewhere between 44,800 and 51,200 people would be walking into American schools every morning armed with a weapon and some form of mental disorder.

But wait! If the intent is to concentrate the carriage of guns into a 20% of "gun-adept teachers with military or special training experience," then the incidence of PTSD in the military population must be taken into consideration. According to peer-reviewed research (Psychological Services Vol9, No4, 361-382 (2012)) the prevalence of PTSD among former Servicemen and women who have served in recent conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan is between 14-16%. This would suggest that between 89,600 and 102,400 people would be walking into school in the US every morning armed with a weapon, a mental disorder and military training!

Has he thought this through?

I never realised the stats were so high for the yanks. Even ignoring whether ir not they've implemented a TRiM style template that's a disturbing stat.

I was under the impression that they had something, but probably not as participant focused as TRIM. 12 month tours don’t help mind.

[Sandydragon]

Never having tried it I'd imagine in an environment like a school with multiple buildings, corridors, different outside spaces and so on running toward gunfire isn't all that easy. You'd know there was a noise, but you quite likely wouldn't know if you were running toward or away

Add in lots of screaming students scattering in all direction from an attacher who will likely be dressed and at first glance look the same.

This is why police firearms officers train so much.

Don't worry I heard one of the chaps training teachers to shoot on Today earlier, and they have a 3 day training course. Tbh if you haven't learnt it all after a whole 3 days you're just not paying attention. Mocking aside there was a teacher on also and she despite being former military didn't think it suitable for her to have a firearm in a classroom, though (and perhaps the mocking should start again) she did allow armed guards as a possible

A hole 3 days. That’s 2.5 days more than I thought there would be, it still woeful. And is there refresher training on a very routine basis? Without practice on a regular basis, a pistol user won’t hit a cows arse with a banjo.

[Sandydragon]

Apparently, there was an armed security guard on duty at this school. When the shooting started, he made a radio call and then waited outside.

So much for that theory then.

[OptimisticJock]

I wonder if anybody has bothered to consider what the outcome will be when one of these armed teachers wakes up one morning and thinks their life will be fixed if they go to work and shoot a few kids?

There are around 3.2 million professional school teachers in the US. If 20% of them are armed then that means 640,000 of them are taking a gun to school every day.

The incidence of PTSD in the general population of the US is estimated at between 7-8%, which can be extrapolated to suggest that somewhere between 44,800 and 51,200 people would be walking into American schools every morning armed with a weapon and some form of mental disorder.

But wait! If the intent is to concentrate the carriage of guns into a 20% of "gun-adept teachers with military or special training experience," then the incidence of PTSD in the military population must be taken into consideration. According to peer-reviewed research (Psychological Services Vol9, No4, 361-382 (2012)) the prevalence of PTSD among former Servicemen and women who have served in recent conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan is between 14-16%. This would suggest that between 89,600 and 102,400 people would be walking into school in the US every morning armed with a weapon, a mental disorder and military training!

Has he thought this through?

I never realised the stats were so high for the yanks. Even ignoring whether ir not they've implemented a TRiM style template that's a disturbing stat.

I was under the impression that they had something, but probably not as participant focused as TRIM. 12 month tours don’t help mind.

Yeah that's true. Even the civvy figures seem higher though.

[morepork]

I never realised the stats were so high for the yanks. Even ignoring whether ir not they've implemented a TRiM style template that's a disturbing stat.

I was under the impression that they had something, but probably not as participant focused as TRIM. 12 month tours don’t help mind.

Yeah that's true. Even the civvy figures seem higher though.

Some of the rougher parts of cities in the USandA present with youth mental health issues that that mirror combat PTSD.



The NRA successfully lobbied the cessation of funding for gun violence research (insane that this is an actual discipline) in 1996, in large part in response to this study:

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NE ... 0073291506

These parts of these cities are essentially war zones for some kids, and there is a direct correlation between gun prevalence and not only death, but mental health issues as well. How much more of a neon-lit road map to the solution do these cunts need?

[OptimisticJock]

I'll have a wee look at that at some point

[morepork]

I neglected to point out that the funding drought hit the Centres for Disease Control (CDC), which is tasked with addressing health, safety, and security threats to the public. This is a public health issue.

[Digby]

Apparently, there was an armed security guard on duty at this school. When the shooting started, he made a radio call and then waited outside.

So much for that theory then.

The armed guard has resigned without pay, and is now under armed guard at his home there being some concern he himself might now be attacked.

[WaspInWales]

It has been amusing seeing the Floridian kids who survived the shooting absolutely dunking all over the NRA and their lackeys on social media. Some of them have been fucking savage.

But the kids are all crisis actors apparently.

[Digby]

It has been amusing seeing the Floridian kids who survived the shooting absolutely dunking all over the NRA and their lackeys on social media. Some of them have been fucking savage.

But the kids are all crisis actors apparently.

They're what now?

[Digby]

Apparently, there was an armed security guard on duty at this school. When the shooting started, he made a radio call and then waited outside.

So much for that theory then.

The armed guard has resigned without pay, and is now under armed guard at his home there being some concern he himself might now be attacked.

The deputy has now been told he lacks courage as per one D. Trump, or Cadet Bonespurs to his friends.

[WaspInWales]

It has been amusing seeing the Floridian kids who survived the shooting absolutely dunking all over the NRA and their lackeys on social media. Some of them have been fucking savage.

But the kids are all crisis actors apparently.

They're what now?

Some people in the US, seemingly right-wing, conservative, NRA supporting types, are suggesting that some of the kids that survived the shooting and then went on to give interviews on TV are crisis actors.

In this instance, it seems to have started after one young lad gave an interview hours after the shooting and stammered some words. Critics say he was obviously forgetting his lines. Then, someone on the internet decided to doctor a page from the school's yearbook which featured the same kid and make it look like he was in a school in California a few years ago and this would make him clearly too old to be at school. I've seen a YouTube video of someone else actually taking the time to find the yearbook from the school where the shooting happened, and the kid is definitely in there, which highlights the lengths some people will go to try to discredit someone who supports gun control. However, the yearbook in question was the 2017 senior year, so some are saying that means he shouldn't have been at the school this year. I'm not sure on how the US school system works, so not sure if that is the case of not. Perhaps MP can clarify that?

The same kid also released a video during the actual event and some are saying the time stated in the video was hours before the attack, which proves (to them) that the attack was planned by the gun control supporting Dems, Soros, libtards and is just another false flag attack.

This line of thought seems to get repeated after such incidents. It has even been suggested survivors and witnesses from shootings and terrorist incidents elsewhere around the globe are also crisis actors.

Amazingly, all the mass shootings in America either didn't happen, or were carried out by the government (when Obama or the Dems were in control), or funded by people supporting left-wing gun control policies, in the hope of forcing a change in gun laws and taking away the 2nd amendment, so that the government can oppress the people...just like what happens everywhere else around the world where strict gun laws are in place