Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:58 pm
I’m not sure how anything changes with the current setup. None of them have the experience to do anything different! It is a total mess. And to think we could have had Razor!
Is Razor’s record particularly notable? I think most would argue NZ have been sub par under his tenure so far.
Takes time but they’ve just beaten us and Ireland quite easily. And that’s despite being in transition and losing your starting 10, arguably the best 10 out there with Russell.
And he’s an infinitely better coach and environment creator
Scrumhead wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:13 pm
Oh f**k off. Without Smith, we’d have been nowhere near.
Is this aimed at me? Feels like it. Doesn't seem nice. I don't disagree that Smith was part of all the good stuff. But he was also part of what was another poor team showing. Quite a number of players don't come out of that with any positive credit.
I took exception to the ‘on balance’ part. Yes, he may have been responsible for that last try, but he was also responsible for almost all of our points. So not ‘on balance’ at all. That type of thinking means we choose to belittle one of he few positives we have.
Is this aimed at me? Feels like it. Doesn't seem nice. I don't disagree that Smith was part of all the good stuff. But he was also part of what was another poor team showing. Quite a number of players don't come out of that with any positive credit.
I took exception to the ‘on balance’ part. Yes, he may have been responsible for that last try, but he was also responsible for almost all of our points. So not ‘on balance’ at all. That type of thinking means we choose to belittle one of he few positives we have.
Ok. Sounds pretty silly and unpleasant to me.
OK. Happy to extend an apology. The f was probably a reflection of my overall frustration at the time.
I took exception to the ‘on balance’ part. Yes, he may have been responsible for that last try, but he was also responsible for almost all of our points. So not ‘on balance’ at all. That type of thinking means we choose to belittle one of he few positives we have.
Ok. Sounds pretty silly and unpleasant to me.
OK. Happy to extend an apology. The f was probably a reflection of my overall frustration at the time.
Nice, thanks. I was pretty bloody angry at the end.
Poor young master Mwenda was so upset at the result. The poor bugger still has England hope.
I’m not even sure I blame Smith there. In isolation the closeup looks bad where he steps in as OS makes the tackle, but a moment earlier it looks like Ikitau had broken free and is running straight at him.
Dombrandt diving for the loose ball and knocking it on was brutal.
What worries me most is we have a staggeringly good set of players graduating into adult rugby. As good as I’ve ever seen. Better than 2011 for me. And this lot will turn them into fucking utter robots!
fivepointer wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:50 pm
I think most of us thought the starting XV was fair enough. Maybe one or two on the bench were questionable but on the whole the 23 seemed about right.
But jeez the actual performance veered from pedestrian and limited with the ball to utter incompetence without it.
Difficult to take too much comfort from such a loss, even though we did get into winning positions twice. Conceding 42 is bad. Really bad. Without Smith we would have created nothing. Our forwards had no punch and our backs had no devil.
Something very plainly isnt working.
I'm not at the get SB out stage yet, but we need to see something in the next games this autumn and in the 6N's otherwise he's going to come under severe pressure.
Absolutely agree on all points.
It's 5p's usual balanced assessment. We are talking about the RFU, remember. Has one single appointment since SCW measured up to expectation?
I know Banquo and others argue that our players aren't as good as claimed BUT I still believe it is the best batch since 2002. SB is NOT getting the best out of them and that simple conclusion should lead to an early ultimatum, IMO. Start winning and keep winning or fuck off.
fivepointer wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:50 pm
I think most of us thought the starting XV was fair enough. Maybe one or two on the bench were questionable but on the whole the 23 seemed about right.
But jeez the actual performance veered from pedestrian and limited with the ball to utter incompetence without it.
Difficult to take too much comfort from such a loss, even though we did get into winning positions twice. Conceding 42 is bad. Really bad. Without Smith we would have created nothing. Our forwards had no punch and our backs had no devil.
Something very plainly isnt working.
I'm not at the get SB out stage yet, but we need to see something in the next games this autumn and in the 6N's otherwise he's going to come under severe pressure.
Absolutely agree on all points.
It's 5p's usual balanced assessment. We are talking about the RFU, remember. Has one single appointment since SCW measured up to expectation?
I know Banquo and others argue that our players aren't as good as claimed BUT I still believe it is the best batch since 2002. SB is NOT getting the best out of them and that simple conclusion should lead to an early ultimatum, IMO. Start winning and keep winning or fuck off.
As always, who are we replacing him with? He’s proved he can put a good team together if he has competent assistants. All he has at the moment is a part time skills coach, a brand new defence coach and the exception to the Peter Principle rule. He also has no head of S&C. Some of that is his own fault but we were looking good at the end of the 6N. That said, I wouldn’t argue with the idea that we looked good against Ireland and France through a combo of their complete shock that we had a dangerous backline and no/little time to prep for it.
Mellsblue wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:36 pm
Gawd it’s so bloody depressing being an England supporter. Four years and one month of winning rugby in 21 years.
Mellsblue wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:36 pm
Gawd it’s so bloody depressing being an England supporter. Four years and one month of winning rugby in 21 years.
Mellsblue wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:36 pm
Gawd it’s so bloody depressing being an England supporter. Four years and one month of winning rugby in 21 years.
Was that in the much maligned Eddie Jones years?
We had that initial stint where Burt looked good
Four years under the rugby version of Heinrich Himmler.
The month is the 2007 World Cup between the SA matches. Desperate, I know. We won feck all of consequence under Lancaster.
