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Re: Can we now stop fetishising the All Blacks?
Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:41 pm
by zer0
TBH we don't have the greatest coaching team. It's not bad, but it's certainly not in a patch on Henry's setup, and it'll get weaker when Smith retires after the RC. But that should be rectified when Cotter and Schmidt take over in 2020.
Scrumhead wrote:The other RC sides are pretty much in the doldrums so the Ireland result in Chicago and the Lions tour are a much better barometer of how good this All Black side is.
Why would the Chicago result be more indicative than the Dublin result?
Re: Can we now stop fetishising the All Blacks?
Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:20 pm
by Digby
Spiffy wrote:Digby wrote:Mellsblue wrote:It'll be difficult to not unless Retallick stops slapping his thighs during the pre-match dance. Watching a man that handsome doing something that erotic makes me question my sexuality.
The prime of Brodie
Brodie is a hell of player and an icon for the ABs. Perhaps their most important key player. If you succeed in keeping him relatively quiet, you go a long way to giving the ABs a competitive game and nudging ahead in the mind game stakes. The Lions pack, especially Itoje, did a grand job in this respect of policing him in the last two tests.
A drawn series is a little disappointing for both sides but a pretty fair outcome.
Retallick and Co were on the up in the 2nd half today once Smith decided to go back to test 1 basics, i.e. ignore BB who was being more wasteful than Farrell going left to right, and send the forwards tacking off 9. Luckily for the Lions Smith was promptly subbed off by Hansen to save Smith for the big games coming up
Re: Can we now stop fetishising the All Blacks?
Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:09 pm
by Puja
zer0 wrote:TBH we don't have the greatest coaching team. It's not bad, but it's certainly not in a patch on Henry's setup, and it'll get weaker when Smith retires after the RC. But that should be rectified when Cotter and Schmidt take over in 2020.
Scrumhead wrote:The other RC sides are pretty much in the doldrums so the Ireland result in Chicago and the Lions tour are a much better barometer of how good this All Black side is.
Why would the Chicago result be more indicative than the Dublin result?
I would've said the Dublin result was also fairly indicative. You won it, but you were far from dominant. You're human, like the rest of us.
Puja
Re: Can we now stop fetishising the All Blacks?
Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:28 pm
by morepork
Again, I'm struggling to see this as a revelation. If you have an issue with your media pundits engaging in a bit of remedial hyperbole re the ABs, then write a strongly worded letter to the editor.
Re: Can we now stop fetishising the All Blacks?
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:13 am
by Puja
morepork wrote:Again, I'm struggling to see this as a revelation. If you have an issue with your media pundits engaging in a bit of remedial hyperbole re the ABs, then write a strongly worded letter to the editor.
Not the media - people on here!
Mind, speaking of media hyperbole, the NZ Herald is setting a new record for it in declaring that Hansen has lost control of the All Blacks and that "things must change" before the RWC. It's a fairly impressive meltdown.
Puja
Re: Can we now stop fetishising the All Blacks?
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:18 am
by skidger
Puja wrote:morepork wrote:Again, I'm struggling to see this as a revelation. If you have an issue with your media pundits engaging in a bit of remedial hyperbole re the ABs, then write a strongly worded letter to the editor.
Not the media - people on here!
Mind, speaking of media hyperbole, the NZ Herald is setting a new record for it in declaring that Hansen has lost control of the All Blacks and that "things must change" before the RWC. It's a fairly impressive meltdown.
Puja
In fairness when you look at who that article is written by you can instantly brush it off.
Re: Can we now stop fetishising the All Blacks?
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:27 am
by Digby
skidger wrote:Puja wrote:morepork wrote:Again, I'm struggling to see this as a revelation. If you have an issue with your media pundits engaging in a bit of remedial hyperbole re the ABs, then write a strongly worded letter to the editor.
Not the media - people on here!
Mind, speaking of media hyperbole, the NZ Herald is setting a new record for it in declaring that Hansen has lost control of the All Blacks and that "things must change" before the RWC. It's a fairly impressive meltdown.
Puja
In fairness when you look at who that article is written by you can instantly brush it off.
Suggests it's a Rattue article, those seemed based on several tins of Alphabetti Spaghetti, a lot a laxative, and the NZ Herald publishing whatever comes out
Re: Can we now stop fetishising the All Blacks?
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:30 am
by skidger
Digby wrote:skidger wrote:Puja wrote:
Not the media - people on here!
Mind, speaking of media hyperbole, the NZ Herald is setting a new record for it in declaring that Hansen has lost control of the All Blacks and that "things must change" before the RWC. It's a fairly impressive meltdown.
Puja
In fairness when you look at who that article is written by you can instantly brush it off.
Suggests it's a Rattue article, those seemed based on several tins of Alphabetti Spaghetti, a lot a laxative, and the NZ Herald publishing whatever comes out
It is. Like a southern hemisphere mash up of Stephen Jones,Beefeater,Stuart Barnes and a twist of Scott Quinnell.
Re: Can we now stop fetishising the All Blacks?
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:01 am
by Which Tyler
skidger wrote:Digby wrote:skidger wrote:
In fairness when you look at who that article is written by you can instantly brush it off.
Suggests it's a Rattue article, those seemed based on several tins of Alphabetti Spaghetti, a lot a laxative, and the NZ Herald publishing whatever comes out
It is. Like a southern hemisphere mash up of Stephen Jones,Beefeater,Stuart Barnes and a twist of Scott Quinnell.
Which means that he's still an upgrade on Gregor Paul, who is to rugby what the Daily Mail is to Medical Research
Re: Can we now stop fetishising the All Blacks?
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:53 am
by Oakboy
skidger wrote:Digby wrote:skidger wrote:
In fairness when you look at who that article is written by you can instantly brush it off.
Suggests it's a Rattue article, those seemed based on several tins of Alphabetti Spaghetti, a lot a laxative, and the NZ Herald publishing whatever comes out
It is. Like a southern hemisphere mash up of Stephen Jones,Beefeater,Stuart Barnes and a twist of Scott Quinnell.
Bloody hell, poor old Beef has had some stick on here but bracketing him with those three fools is OTT.
Re: Can we now stop fetishising the All Blacks?
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:17 am
by Scrumhead
Puja wrote:zer0 wrote:TBH we don't have the greatest coaching team. It's not bad, but it's certainly not in a patch on Henry's setup, and it'll get weaker when Smith retires after the RC. But that should be rectified when Cotter and Schmidt take over in 2020.
Scrumhead wrote:The other RC sides are pretty much in the doldrums so the Ireland result in Chicago and the Lions tour are a much better barometer of how good this All Black side is.
Why would the Chicago result be more indicative than the Dublin result?
I would've said the Dublin result was also fairly indicative. You won it, but you were far from dominant. You're human, like the rest of us.
Puja
My point was that the Lions tour and Chicago demonstrated that the All Blacks are beatable. Puja is correct too - the return game in Dublin was a hard fought contest that suggests that the best of the NH (specifically Ireland and England) are better equipped to beat the All Blacks than the RC sides are right now.
Re: Can we now stop fetishising the All Blacks?
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:08 am
by skidger
Oakboy wrote:skidger wrote:Digby wrote:
Suggests it's a Rattue article, those seemed based on several tins of Alphabetti Spaghetti, a lot a laxative, and the NZ Herald publishing whatever comes out
It is. Like a southern hemisphere mash up of Stephen Jones,Beefeater,Stuart Barnes and a twist of Scott Quinnell.
Bloody hell, poor old Beef has had some stick on here but bracketing him with those three fools is OTT.
Liked to wum,talk nonsense and obsessed with big men. I think its reasonable.
Re: Can we now stop fetishising the All Blacks?
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:32 am
by oldbackrow
skidger wrote:
Liked to wum,talk nonsense and obsessed with big men. I think its reasonable.
Shes never posted on here, as far as I know, but you seem to be describing my wife!
Re: Can we now stop fetishising the All Blacks?
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:31 pm
by morepork
Puja wrote:morepork wrote:Again, I'm struggling to see this as a revelation. If you have an issue with your media pundits engaging in a bit of remedial hyperbole re the ABs, then write a strongly worded letter to the editor.
Not the media - people on here!
Mind, speaking of media hyperbole, the NZ Herald is setting a new record for it in declaring that Hansen has lost control of the All Blacks and that "things must change" before the RWC. It's a fairly impressive meltdown.
Puja
Rattue has to make his infrequent mewlings count so he tends to go overboard with that rag of a periodical whenever it gives him the chance.
Re: Can we now stop fetishising the All Blacks?
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:56 pm
by bitts
Timbo wrote:morepork wrote:Timbo wrote:
Quite a lot of handling errors from them all series...and a huge number from their Super teams in the warm up games. Suspect they've spent a bit too much time in recent seasons playing against flimsy second rate defences, making that aspect of their game look a bit better than it actually is.
Meeeaow!
In the last 18 months England have averaged 35 points and 3.4 try's per game against rugby championship opposition. If the shoe fits...
Got sky for the tests, and thought cool I'll watch Super Rugby. Do you all remember when Super Rugby was this amazing thing far beyond us plodding Northern hemisphere people?
Well I watched Brumbies V reds and Stormers v Sunwolves. They were all rubbish. Don't know what has happened to Quade Cooper either. He looks like he's been drugged.. It can't be helping NZ teams if that's the standard they are facing.
Re: Can we now stop fetishising the All Blacks?
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:12 pm
by morepork
Are you after a cuddle? There are some bitter mofos on here. You did well. Enjoy it.
Re: Can we now stop fetishising the All Blacks?
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:06 pm
by Peat
morepork wrote:Are you after a cuddle? There are some bitter mofos on here. You did well. Enjoy it.
You are only now realising that this board is mostly made up of the bitter?
Anyway, we merely have to say we're fetishing the 2011-15 All Blacks, problem solved. Much like Dairy Milk, the new recipe has some things to improve on.
Re: Can we now stop fetishising the All Blacks?
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:14 pm
by Mr Mwenda
Cuddles always welcome, mind.
Re: Can we now stop fetishising the All Blacks?
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:16 pm
by skidger
Peat wrote:morepork wrote:Are you after a cuddle? There are some bitter mofos on here. You did well. Enjoy it.
You are only now realising that this board is mostly made up of the bitter?
Anyway, we merely have to say we're fetishing the 2011-15 All Blacks, problem solved. Much like Dairy Milk, the new recipe has some things to improve on.
Yes that sums it up. How can you lose McCaw,Carter,Nonu and Smith and not look a little more beatable.
Re: Can we now stop fetishising the All Blacks?
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:17 pm
by skidger
It will be the same when Tom Wood and Haskell hang up their England boots. We won't look so superhuman.
Re: Can we now stop fetishising the All Blacks?
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:28 pm
by Mikey Brown
morepork wrote:Are you after a cuddle? There are some bitter mofos on here. You did well. Enjoy it.
You seem oddly defensive about all this.
I certainly get what Poo-jar is saying to some extent, I'm very surprised the Lions got as close as they did, yet there was a whole lot room for improvement. Though the ABs could say the same.
Re: Can we now stop fetishising the All Blacks?
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:36 pm
by morepork
Mikey Brown wrote:morepork wrote:Are you after a cuddle? There are some bitter mofos on here. You did well. Enjoy it.
You seem oddly defensive about all this.
I certainly get what Poo-jar is saying to some extent, I'm very surprised the Lions got as close as they did, yet there was a whole lot room for improvement. Though the ABs could say the same.
That's a flimsy second rate critique.
I suppose I can't help chiming in. The points raised are valid, I'll admit.
Re: Can we now stop fetishising the All Blacks?
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:03 pm
by Mikey Brown
What's second rate about it? I am surprised. There was vast room for improvement from both teams. I barely watched any of it because it didn't really grab me, so can't offer much more detail. But is anyone bitter about it? I may well have missed that too.