France v England

[Banquo]

verging on lunacy,

I've not really seen anything from Roebuck to make me convinced that he is a massive impact option himself.

Puja

well yes.

Well, no

Selecting a winger to what , play on the wing, is lunacy because you don’t rate him.

no, verging on

[Banquo]

well yes.

Well, no

Selecting a winger to what , play on the wing, is lunacy because you don’t rate him.

It's not the selecting of Roebuck in general, it's selecting him for his first cap in a system he has no experience in, when there's an experienced international winger who has already played 3 games this championship also available.

It's more than possible that you're seeing something in Roebuck that I haven't yet - what's making you look at him and go, "Fuck experience and team cohesion - this man **needs** to play"? That's a genuine question; I'd like to know what is exceptional about him.

Puja

well yes.

[Banquo]

Well, no

Selecting a winger to what , play on the wing, is lunacy because you don’t rate him.

It's not the selecting of Roebuck in general, it's selecting him for his first cap in a system he has no experience in, when there's an experienced international winger who has already played 3 games this championship also available.

It's more than possible that you're seeing something in Roebuck that I haven't yet - what's making you look at him and go, "Fuck experience and team cohesion - this man **needs** to play"? That's a genuine question; I'd like to know what is exceptional about him.

Puja

But hey-ho you are probably right and another cap will get wasted on Daly.

[Puja]

Well, no

Selecting a winger to what , play on the wing, is lunacy because you don’t rate him.

It's not the selecting of Roebuck in general, it's selecting him for his first cap in a system he has no experience in, when there's an experienced international winger who has already played 3 games this championship also available.

It's more than possible that you're seeing something in Roebuck that I haven't yet - what's making you look at him and go, "Fuck experience and team cohesion - this man **needs** to play"? That's a genuine question; I'd like to know what is exceptional about him.

Puja

I have not said ‘he needs to play’. I simply said he would be my choice to replace IFW. Yes he is more like Freeman than IFW but I don’t have a problem with that. He is a strong lad who can make metres in traffic, very good under the high ball with solid defence. I’m pretty certain he has been learning the system during his lengthy time in camp and SB must see something in him that fits the bigger picture.

I would also suggest Muir as an option.

But hey-ho you are probably right and another cap will get wasted on Daly.

I don't see it as a cap wasted right now. If this situation were coming up before the Wales game, then sure I'd be interested in developing another winger in a lower intensity game. However, this is a big, winnable game for us, that would be massive for us to win and secure second in the 6N and I'm happy going with a safer option, even if it's not a long-term one.

To my mind, the only reason to not pick Daly is if we've got a player that we're looking at and saying, "This is a future regular international here." If you're sitting there saying, "He's perfectly fine, but not someone demanding selection" then it's likely a wasted cap if we pick him for one of his 5 career England caps, just the same as giving Daly a game. Like I said, I'm willing to acknowledge that there may be something that I'm missing from my limited viewing of him, but right now he's not sounding like worthy of taking a gamble on.

Puja

[Banquo]

It's not the selecting of Roebuck in general, it's selecting him for his first cap in a system he has no experience in, when there's an experienced international winger who has already played 3 games this championship also available.

It's more than possible that you're seeing something in Roebuck that I haven't yet - what's making you look at him and go, "Fuck experience and team cohesion - this man **needs** to play"? That's a genuine question; I'd like to know what is exceptional about him.

Puja

I have not said ‘he needs to play’. I simply said he would be my choice to replace IFW. Yes he is more like Freeman than IFW but I don’t have a problem with that. He is a strong lad who can make metres in traffic, very good under the high ball with solid defence. I’m pretty certain he has been learning the system during his lengthy time in camp and SB must see something in him that fits the bigger picture.

I would also suggest Muir as an option.

But hey-ho you are probably right and another cap will get wasted on Daly.

I don't see it as a cap wasted right now. If this situation were coming up before the Wales game, then sure I'd be interested in developing another winger in a lower intensity game. However, this is a big, winnable game for us, that would be massive for us to win and secure second in the 6N and I'm happy going with a safer option, even if it's not a long-term one.

To my mind, the only reason to not pick Daly is if we've got a player that we're looking at and saying, "This is a future regular international here." If you're sitting there saying, "He's perfectly fine, but not someone demanding selection" then it's likely a wasted cap if we pick him for one of his 5 career England caps, just the same as giving Daly a game. Like I said, I'm willing to acknowledge that there may be something that I'm missing from my limited viewing of him, but right now he's not sounding like worthy of taking a gamble on.

Puja

yep, thats exactly my take. Roebuck has looked a competent to good club player.

[Spiffy]

well yes.

Well, no

Selecting a winger to what , play on the wing, is lunacy because you don’t rate him.

Has to be Daly I think. Would rather Steward on the wing than Furbank 100%, cross field kicks, carrying in their 22 etc at least he'd have some major strong points playing there... But it has to be Daly and will be. To be honest I'd be all for giving Coka a go - I think when he's fit and confident he can do some of what IFW can do. But he's not in the squad. So Daly or Steward.

Coka's great on the front foot but that's about it. Both top class Frog wings would be salivating for a go at him.

[p/d]

It's not the selecting of Roebuck in general, it's selecting him for his first cap in a system he has no experience in, when there's an experienced international winger who has already played 3 games this championship also available.

It's more than possible that you're seeing something in Roebuck that I haven't yet - what's making you look at him and go, "Fuck experience and team cohesion - this man **needs** to play"? That's a genuine question; I'd like to know what is exceptional about him.

Puja

I have not said ‘he needs to play’. I simply said he would be my choice to replace IFW. Yes he is more like Freeman than IFW but I don’t have a problem with that. He is a strong lad who can make metres in traffic, very good under the high ball with solid defence. I’m pretty certain he has been learning the system during his lengthy time in camp and SB must see something in him that fits the bigger picture.

I would also suggest Muir as an option.

But hey-ho you are probably right and another cap will get wasted on Daly.

I don't see it as a cap wasted right now. If this situation were coming up before the Wales game, then sure I'd be interested in developing another winger in a lower intensity game. However, this is a big, winnable game for us, that would be massive for us to win and secure second in the 6N and I'm happy going with a safer option, even if it's not a long-term one.

To my mind, the only reason to not pick Daly is if we've got a player that we're looking at and saying, "This is a future regular international here." If you're sitting there saying, "He's perfectly fine, but not someone demanding selection" then it's likely a wasted cap if we pick him for one of his 5 career England caps, just the same as giving Daly a game. Like I said, I'm willing to acknowledge that there may be something that I'm missing from my limited viewing of him, but right now he's not sounding like worthy of taking a gamble on.

Puja

Fair enough. Probably right that the importance of the game outweighs looking at a newbie.

So Steward on the wing

[16th man]

I have not said ‘he needs to play’. I simply said he would be my choice to replace IFW. Yes he is more like Freeman than IFW but I don’t have a problem with that. He is a strong lad who can make metres in traffic, very good under the high ball with solid defence. I’m pretty certain he has been learning the system during his lengthy time in camp and SB must see something in him that fits the bigger picture.

I would also suggest Muir as an option.

But hey-ho you are probably right and another cap will get wasted on Daly.

I don't see it as a cap wasted right now. If this situation were coming up before the Wales game, then sure I'd be interested in developing another winger in a lower intensity game. However, this is a big, winnable game for us, that would be massive for us to win and secure second in the 6N and I'm happy going with a safer option, even if it's not a long-term one.

To my mind, the only reason to not pick Daly is if we've got a player that we're looking at and saying, "This is a future regular international here." If you're sitting there saying, "He's perfectly fine, but not someone demanding selection" then it's likely a wasted cap if we pick him for one of his 5 career England caps, just the same as giving Daly a game. Like I said, I'm willing to acknowledge that there may be something that I'm missing from my limited viewing of him, but right now he's not sounding like worthy of taking a gamble on.

Puja

Fair enough. Probably right that the importance of the game outweighs looking at a newbie.

So Steward on the wing

Don't be silly.


Lawrence to the wing, Steward at 12.

[Banquo]

I have not said ‘he needs to play’. I simply said he would be my choice to replace IFW. Yes he is more like Freeman than IFW but I don’t have a problem with that. He is a strong lad who can make metres in traffic, very good under the high ball with solid defence. I’m pretty certain he has been learning the system during his lengthy time in camp and SB must see something in him that fits the bigger picture.

I would also suggest Muir as an option.

But hey-ho you are probably right and another cap will get wasted on Daly.

I don't see it as a cap wasted right now. If this situation were coming up before the Wales game, then sure I'd be interested in developing another winger in a lower intensity game. However, this is a big, winnable game for us, that would be massive for us to win and secure second in the 6N and I'm happy going with a safer option, even if it's not a long-term one.

To my mind, the only reason to not pick Daly is if we've got a player that we're looking at and saying, "This is a future regular international here." If you're sitting there saying, "He's perfectly fine, but not someone demanding selection" then it's likely a wasted cap if we pick him for one of his 5 career England caps, just the same as giving Daly a game. Like I said, I'm willing to acknowledge that there may be something that I'm missing from my limited viewing of him, but right now he's not sounding like worthy of taking a gamble on.

Puja

Fair enough. Probably right that the importance of the game outweighs looking at a newbie.

So Steward on the wing

Cave. Stick to your guns man.

[p/d]

I don't see it as a cap wasted right now. If this situation were coming up before the Wales game, then sure I'd be interested in developing another winger in a lower intensity game. However, this is a big, winnable game for us, that would be massive for us to win and secure second in the 6N and I'm happy going with a safer option, even if it's not a long-term one.

To my mind, the only reason to not pick Daly is if we've got a player that we're looking at and saying, "This is a future regular international here." If you're sitting there saying, "He's perfectly fine, but not someone demanding selection" then it's likely a wasted cap if we pick him for one of his 5 career England caps, just the same as giving Daly a game. Like I said, I'm willing to acknowledge that there may be something that I'm missing from my limited viewing of him, but right now he's not sounding like worthy of taking a gamble on.

Puja

Fair enough. Probably right that the importance of the game outweighs looking at a newbie.

So Steward on the wing

Cave. Stick to your guns man.

Oh, do t get me wrong I know I’m right But Puja is a slave to RR and a lot of his hard work goes unappreciated. A little moral victory now and again is the least we can do

[p/d]

Anyhoo. Apparently Slade is an injury concern. News coming out of camp hints at drills being run with Lawrence at 13, outside Steward

[Mikey Brown]

I won’t lie, there’s still a part of me that thinks it would actually work.

Surely Dingwall comes back in though?

I guess we’re too short of wings now to bring Freeman in to centre. It’s not like we can just stick Roebuck out there.

[Which Tyler]

News coming out of camp hints at drills being run with Lawrence at 13, outside Steward

TBF, I would hope they're running those drills anyway. You need to train some reshuffles that might be enforced by injury/card during a match.
Much like running drills with Ford at SH, or Coka at 8. It doesn't mean there's any intention to use it, but you've covered your bases in the event of an embuggerance.

[Banquo]

Fair enough. Probably right that the importance of the game outweighs looking at a newbie.

So Steward on the wing

Cave. Stick to your guns man.

Oh, do t get me wrong I know I’m right But Puja is a slave to RR and a lot of his hard work goes unappreciated. A little moral victory now and again is the least we can do

true. He's changed, though.

[16th man]

News coming out of camp hints at drills being run with Lawrence at 13, outside Steward

TBF, I would hope they're running those drills anyway. You need to train some reshuffles that might be enforced by injury/card during a match.
Much like running drills with Ford at SH, or Coka at 8. It doesn't mean there's any intention to use it, but you've covered your bases in the event of an embuggerance.

And it's unlikely they'll run a drill that's more outlandish than some of the stuff we've had suggested on here.

[Epaminondas Pules]

Anyhoo. Apparently Slade is an injury concern. News coming out of camp hints at drills being run with Lawrence at 13, outside Steward

He looked like he injured his arm last Saturday. Came off and noticeable used his wrong hand to shake team mates hands.

Lawrence to 13, George Martin to 12! You heard it here first!

[Banquo]

Anyhoo. Apparently Slade is an injury concern. News coming out of camp hints at drills being run with Lawrence at 13, outside Steward

He looked like he injured his arm last Saturday. Came off and noticeable used his wrong hand to shake team mates hands.

Lawrence to 13, George Martin to 12! You heard it here first!

dingwall retained in camp....but so is Manu

[Mellsblue]

Anyhoo. Apparently Slade is an injury concern. News coming out of camp hints at drills being run with Lawrence at 13, outside Steward

He looked like he injured his arm last Saturday. Came off and noticeable used his wrong hand to shake team mates hands.

Lawrence to 13, George Martin to 12! You heard it here first!

As I was driving round sites yesterday, I came to the conclusion that George Martin may be our most important player. Just not at IC.

[Epaminondas Pules]

Anyhoo. Apparently Slade is an injury concern. News coming out of camp hints at drills being run with Lawrence at 13, outside Steward

He looked like he injured his arm last Saturday. Came off and noticeable used his wrong hand to shake team mates hands.

Lawrence to 13, George Martin to 12! You heard it here first!

As I was driving round sites yesterday, I came to the conclusion that George Martin may be our most important player. Just not at IC.

I did like how Ben Youngs described him, which was that running in gorgeous George was like a fly hitting a windscreen!

[Epaminondas Pules]

Anyhoo. Apparently Slade is an injury concern. News coming out of camp hints at drills being run with Lawrence at 13, outside Steward

He looked like he injured his arm last Saturday. Came off and noticeable used his wrong hand to shake team mates hands.

Lawrence to 13, George Martin to 12! You heard it here first!

dingwall retained in camp....but so is Manu

Yeah, but that's not going to get Stephen Jones' juices flowing is it.

[p/d]

He looked like he injured his arm last Saturday. Came off and noticeable used his wrong hand to shake team mates hands.

Lawrence to 13, George Martin to 12! You heard it here first!

As I was driving round sites yesterday, I came to the conclusion that George Martin may be our most important player. Just not at IC.

I did like how Ben Youngs described him, which was that running in gorgeous George was like a fly hitting a windscreen!

He is the one player that has finally filled the void up front. A proper unit not just a gym bunny.
Once CCS is established and young Pepper and T Willis push through…

[Mr Mwenda]

Think we need a full audit of the last few week's threads to identify who is responsible for cursing IFW first.

I blame Furbank.

Puja

Nah, it was Steward and the support.

Edit: new band name that

[FKAS]

Think we need a full audit of the last few week's threads to identify who is responsible for cursing IFW first.

I blame Furbank.

Puja

Nah, it was Steward and the support.

Edit: new band name that

It was clearly Danny Care's passing and/or box kicking.

[francoisfou]

Midi Olympique are forecasting, unsurprisingly, no changes in the French 23. Sheep Botherer must pick a pack to counter the heavyweight frogs, and if he does then there’s a chance of an upset.

[Mellsblue]

Midi Olympique are forecasting, unsurprisingly, no changes in the French 23. Sheep Botherer must pick a pack to counter the heavyweight frogs, and if he does then there’s a chance of an upset.

Who would you drop after last week’s performance. I’d argue it’s best to let them worry about us rather than us worrying about them.