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p/d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:24 pm

Banquo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:44 pm

Puja wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:07 pm

verging on lunacy,

I've not really seen anything from Roebuck to make me convinced that he is a massive impact option himself.

Puja

well yes.

Well, no

Selecting a winger to what , play on the wing, is lunacy because you don’t rate him.

Puja wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:59 pm

p/d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:24 pm

Banquo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:44 pm

well yes.

Well, no

Selecting a winger to what , play on the wing, is lunacy because you don’t rate him.

It's not the selecting of Roebuck in general, it's selecting him for his first cap in a system he has no experience in, when there's an experienced international winger who has already played 3 games this championship also available.

It's more than possible that you're seeing something in Roebuck that I haven't yet - what's making you look at him and go, "Fuck experience and team cohesion - this man **needs** to play"? That's a genuine question; I'd like to know what is exceptional about him.

Puja

p/d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:36 pm

Puja wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:59 pm

p/d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:24 pm
Well, no

Selecting a winger to what , play on the wing, is lunacy because you don’t rate him.

It's not the selecting of Roebuck in general, it's selecting him for his first cap in a system he has no experience in, when there's an experienced international winger who has already played 3 games this championship also available.

It's more than possible that you're seeing something in Roebuck that I haven't yet - what's making you look at him and go, "Fuck experience and team cohesion - this man **needs** to play"? That's a genuine question; I'd like to know what is exceptional about him.

Puja

But hey-ho you are probably right and another cap will get wasted on Daly.

p/d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:36 pm

Puja wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:59 pm

p/d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:24 pm
Well, no

Selecting a winger to what , play on the wing, is lunacy because you don’t rate him.

It's not the selecting of Roebuck in general, it's selecting him for his first cap in a system he has no experience in, when there's an experienced international winger who has already played 3 games this championship also available.

It's more than possible that you're seeing something in Roebuck that I haven't yet - what's making you look at him and go, "Fuck experience and team cohesion - this man **needs** to play"? That's a genuine question; I'd like to know what is exceptional about him.

Puja

I have not said ‘he needs to play’. I simply said he would be my choice to replace IFW. Yes he is more like Freeman than IFW but I don’t have a problem with that. He is a strong lad who can make metres in traffic, very good under the high ball with solid defence. I’m pretty certain he has been learning the system during his lengthy time in camp and SB must see something in him that fits the bigger picture.

I would also suggest Muir as an option.

But hey-ho you are probably right and another cap will get wasted on Daly.

Puja wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:40 pm

p/d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:36 pm

Puja wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:59 pm

It's not the selecting of Roebuck in general, it's selecting him for his first cap in a system he has no experience in, when there's an experienced international winger who has already played 3 games this championship also available.

It's more than possible that you're seeing something in Roebuck that I haven't yet - what's making you look at him and go, "Fuck experience and team cohesion - this man **needs** to play"? That's a genuine question; I'd like to know what is exceptional about him.

Puja

I have not said ‘he needs to play’. I simply said he would be my choice to replace IFW. Yes he is more like Freeman than IFW but I don’t have a problem with that. He is a strong lad who can make metres in traffic, very good under the high ball with solid defence. I’m pretty certain he has been learning the system during his lengthy time in camp and SB must see something in him that fits the bigger picture.

I would also suggest Muir as an option.

But hey-ho you are probably right and another cap will get wasted on Daly.

I don't see it as a cap wasted right now. If this situation were coming up before the Wales game, then sure I'd be interested in developing another winger in a lower intensity game. However, this is a big, winnable game for us, that would be massive for us to win and secure second in the 6N and I'm happy going with a safer option, even if it's not a long-term one.

To my mind, the only reason to not pick Daly is if we've got a player that we're looking at and saying, "This is a future regular international here." If you're sitting there saying, "He's perfectly fine, but not someone demanding selection" then it's likely a wasted cap if we pick him for one of his 5 career England caps, just the same as giving Daly a game. Like I said, I'm willing to acknowledge that there may be something that I'm missing from my limited viewing of him, but right now he's not sounding like worthy of taking a gamble on.

Puja

TheDasher wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:55 pm

p/d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:24 pm

Banquo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:44 pm

well yes.

Well, no

Selecting a winger to what , play on the wing, is lunacy because you don’t rate him.

Has to be Daly I think. Would rather Steward on the wing than Furbank 100%, cross field kicks, carrying in their 22 etc at least he'd have some major strong points playing there... But it has to be Daly and will be. To be honest I'd be all for giving Coka a go - I think when he's fit and confident he can do some of what IFW can do. But he's not in the squad. So Daly or Steward.

Puja wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:40 pm

p/d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:36 pm

Puja wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:59 pm

It's not the selecting of Roebuck in general, it's selecting him for his first cap in a system he has no experience in, when there's an experienced international winger who has already played 3 games this championship also available.

It's more than possible that you're seeing something in Roebuck that I haven't yet - what's making you look at him and go, "Fuck experience and team cohesion - this man **needs** to play"? That's a genuine question; I'd like to know what is exceptional about him.

Puja

I have not said ‘he needs to play’. I simply said he would be my choice to replace IFW. Yes he is more like Freeman than IFW but I don’t have a problem with that. He is a strong lad who can make metres in traffic, very good under the high ball with solid defence. I’m pretty certain he has been learning the system during his lengthy time in camp and SB must see something in him that fits the bigger picture.

I would also suggest Muir as an option.

But hey-ho you are probably right and another cap will get wasted on Daly.

I don't see it as a cap wasted right now. If this situation were coming up before the Wales game, then sure I'd be interested in developing another winger in a lower intensity game. However, this is a big, winnable game for us, that would be massive for us to win and secure second in the 6N and I'm happy going with a safer option, even if it's not a long-term one.

To my mind, the only reason to not pick Daly is if we've got a player that we're looking at and saying, "This is a future regular international here." If you're sitting there saying, "He's perfectly fine, but not someone demanding selection" then it's likely a wasted cap if we pick him for one of his 5 career England caps, just the same as giving Daly a game. Like I said, I'm willing to acknowledge that there may be something that I'm missing from my limited viewing of him, but right now he's not sounding like worthy of taking a gamble on.

Puja

p/d wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:06 am

Puja wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:40 pm

p/d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:36 pm

I have not said ‘he needs to play’. I simply said he would be my choice to replace IFW. Yes he is more like Freeman than IFW but I don’t have a problem with that. He is a strong lad who can make metres in traffic, very good under the high ball with solid defence. I’m pretty certain he has been learning the system during his lengthy time in camp and SB must see something in him that fits the bigger picture.

I would also suggest Muir as an option.

But hey-ho you are probably right and another cap will get wasted on Daly.

I don't see it as a cap wasted right now. If this situation were coming up before the Wales game, then sure I'd be interested in developing another winger in a lower intensity game. However, this is a big, winnable game for us, that would be massive for us to win and secure second in the 6N and I'm happy going with a safer option, even if it's not a long-term one.

To my mind, the only reason to not pick Daly is if we've got a player that we're looking at and saying, "This is a future regular international here." If you're sitting there saying, "He's perfectly fine, but not someone demanding selection" then it's likely a wasted cap if we pick him for one of his 5 career England caps, just the same as giving Daly a game. Like I said, I'm willing to acknowledge that there may be something that I'm missing from my limited viewing of him, but right now he's not sounding like worthy of taking a gamble on.

Puja

Fair enough. Probably right that the importance of the game outweighs looking at a newbie.

So Steward on the wing

p/d wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:06 am

Puja wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:40 pm

p/d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:36 pm

I have not said ‘he needs to play’. I simply said he would be my choice to replace IFW. Yes he is more like Freeman than IFW but I don’t have a problem with that. He is a strong lad who can make metres in traffic, very good under the high ball with solid defence. I’m pretty certain he has been learning the system during his lengthy time in camp and SB must see something in him that fits the bigger picture.

I would also suggest Muir as an option.

But hey-ho you are probably right and another cap will get wasted on Daly.

I don't see it as a cap wasted right now. If this situation were coming up before the Wales game, then sure I'd be interested in developing another winger in a lower intensity game. However, this is a big, winnable game for us, that would be massive for us to win and secure second in the 6N and I'm happy going with a safer option, even if it's not a long-term one.

To my mind, the only reason to not pick Daly is if we've got a player that we're looking at and saying, "This is a future regular international here." If you're sitting there saying, "He's perfectly fine, but not someone demanding selection" then it's likely a wasted cap if we pick him for one of his 5 career England caps, just the same as giving Daly a game. Like I said, I'm willing to acknowledge that there may be something that I'm missing from my limited viewing of him, but right now he's not sounding like worthy of taking a gamble on.

Puja

Fair enough. Probably right that the importance of the game outweighs looking at a newbie.

So Steward on the wing

Banquo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:21 am

p/d wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:06 am

Puja wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:40 pm

I don't see it as a cap wasted right now. If this situation were coming up before the Wales game, then sure I'd be interested in developing another winger in a lower intensity game. However, this is a big, winnable game for us, that would be massive for us to win and secure second in the 6N and I'm happy going with a safer option, even if it's not a long-term one.

To my mind, the only reason to not pick Daly is if we've got a player that we're looking at and saying, "This is a future regular international here." If you're sitting there saying, "He's perfectly fine, but not someone demanding selection" then it's likely a wasted cap if we pick him for one of his 5 career England caps, just the same as giving Daly a game. Like I said, I'm willing to acknowledge that there may be something that I'm missing from my limited viewing of him, but right now he's not sounding like worthy of taking a gamble on.

Puja

Fair enough. Probably right that the importance of the game outweighs looking at a newbie.

So Steward on the wing

Cave. Stick to your guns man.

p/d wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:34 amNews coming out of camp hints at drills being run with Lawrence at 13, outside Steward

p/d wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:32 am

Banquo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:21 am

p/d wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:06 am
Fair enough. Probably right that the importance of the game outweighs looking at a newbie.

So Steward on the wing

Cave. Stick to your guns man.

Oh, do t get me wrong I know I’m right But Puja is a slave to RR and a lot of his hard work goes unappreciated. A little moral victory now and again is the least we can do

Which Tyler wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:03 am

p/d wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:34 amNews coming out of camp hints at drills being run with Lawrence at 13, outside Steward

TBF, I would hope they're running those drills anyway. You need to train some reshuffles that might be enforced by injury/card during a match.
Much like running drills with Ford at SH, or Coka at 8. It doesn't mean there's any intention to use it, but you've covered your bases in the event of an embuggerance.

p/d wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:34 am Anyhoo. Apparently Slade is an injury concern. News coming out of camp hints at drills being run with Lawrence at 13, outside Steward

Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:18 am

p/d wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:34 am Anyhoo. Apparently Slade is an injury concern. News coming out of camp hints at drills being run with Lawrence at 13, outside Steward

He looked like he injured his arm last Saturday. Came off and noticeable used his wrong hand to shake team mates hands.

Lawrence to 13, George Martin to 12! You heard it here first!

Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:18 am

p/d wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:34 am Anyhoo. Apparently Slade is an injury concern. News coming out of camp hints at drills being run with Lawrence at 13, outside Steward

He looked like he injured his arm last Saturday. Came off and noticeable used his wrong hand to shake team mates hands.

Lawrence to 13, George Martin to 12! You heard it here first!

Mellsblue wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:23 am

Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:18 am

p/d wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:34 am Anyhoo. Apparently Slade is an injury concern. News coming out of camp hints at drills being run with Lawrence at 13, outside Steward

He looked like he injured his arm last Saturday. Came off and noticeable used his wrong hand to shake team mates hands.

Lawrence to 13, George Martin to 12! You heard it here first!

As I was driving round sites yesterday, I came to the conclusion that George Martin may be our most important player. Just not at IC.

Banquo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:21 am

Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:18 am

p/d wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:34 am Anyhoo. Apparently Slade is an injury concern. News coming out of camp hints at drills being run with Lawrence at 13, outside Steward

He looked like he injured his arm last Saturday. Came off and noticeable used his wrong hand to shake team mates hands.

Lawrence to 13, George Martin to 12! You heard it here first!

dingwall retained in camp....but so is Manu

Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:25 am

Mellsblue wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:23 am

Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:18 am

He looked like he injured his arm last Saturday. Came off and noticeable used his wrong hand to shake team mates hands.

Lawrence to 13, George Martin to 12! You heard it here first!

As I was driving round sites yesterday, I came to the conclusion that George Martin may be our most important player. Just not at IC.

I did like how Ben Youngs described him, which was that running in gorgeous George was like a fly hitting a windscreen!

Puja wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 8:16 pm

16th man wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 8:06 pm Think we need a full audit of the last few week's threads to identify who is responsible for cursing IFW first.

I blame Furbank.

Puja

Mr Mwenda wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 1:15 pm

Puja wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 8:16 pm

16th man wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 8:06 pm Think we need a full audit of the last few week's threads to identify who is responsible for cursing IFW first.

I blame Furbank.

Puja

Nah, it was Steward and the support.

Edit: new band name that

francoisfou wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:04 pm Midi Olympique are forecasting, unsurprisingly, no changes in the French 23. Sheep Botherer must pick a pack to counter the heavyweight frogs, and if he does then there’s a chance of an upset.