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All eligible for selection are named - ( only 8 in their usual postions due to this )
What is the shared accomplishment ?
(note -captain chosen due to his unique record in this area).

1. Philip John
2. Sean Brian
3. Daniel
4. Martin Osborne
5. John
6. Jacobus Francois
7. Richard Hugh (c)
8. Stephen Thomas
9. Nicholas Campbell
10. David Edward
11. Thierry
12. William David
13.  Raphael
14. John William
15. George Musarwurwa

There’s a lot of first names as surnames going on there...

EDIT: wait - maybe this is a list of first/middle names hence some single ones...

First/middle names of captains in a RWC final, RH McCaw has done it twice.

Lizard wrote:First/middle names of captains in a RWC final, RH McCaw has done it twice.

Correct - this includes 5 hookers. ( maybe EJ should have got Hartley there somehow...)

As usual - guess the selection criteria:

1. Tom (Scotland/Lions)
2. Greg (Fiji)
3. Nicky (Wales)
4. Hayden (USA)
5. Reg (Australia)
6. George (Australia)
7. Juan (South Africa)
8. Nick (Brazil)
9. Aaron (New Zealand)
10. Wayne (New Zealand)
11. Arthur (Scotland/Lions)
12. Ryan (Canada)
13. Conrad (New Zealand)
14. Ben (New Zealand)
15. Ian (Scotland/Hong Kong)

Lizard wrote:As usual - guess the selection criteria:

1. Tom (Scotland/Lions)
2. Greg (Fiji)
3. Nicky (Wales)
4. Hayden (USA)
5. Reg (Australia)
6. George (Australia)
7. Juan (South Africa)
8. Nick (Brazil)
9. Aaron (New Zealand)
10. Wayne (New Zealand)
11. Arthur (Scotland/Lions)
12. Ryan (Canada)
13. Conrad (New Zealand)
14. Ben (New Zealand)
15. Ian (Scotland/Hong Kong)

Answer in picture form.

Lizard wrote:

Galfon wrote:not quite...

Most capped Smiths?

It's like a light that never goes out..

Yep. Ben should actually be at full-back and on the wing, but that would be silly.

an england xv :

1. p.vickery (was.)
2. j.pullen (bri.)
3. w.stuart (bat.)
4. l.deacon (lei.)
5. s.borthwick (sar.)
6. r.hill (sar.)
7. e.hill (wor.)
8. j.haskell (was.)
9. h.ellis (lei.)
10. g.ford (lei.)
11. h.slade (exe.)
12. c.kent (ros)
13. e.beswick (swi)
14. e.mobbs (nor.)
15. a.wood (glo.)

what distinguishes these players, and the team ?

dunno, but sort of sad to find out that Charlie Kent died relatively young 15 years ago

CK - was not aware; sudden event for an active fellow after a ride out, that would have been a shock.
3 Moseley lads in the team v Sco for his debut, incl. Cooper & Corless inside him..concentrating on his career was certainly Eng's loss..

Galfon wrote:CK - was not aware; sudden event for an active fellow after a ride out, that would have been a shock.
3 Moseley lads in the team v Sco for his debut, incl. Cooper & Corless inside him..concentrating on his career was certainly Eng's loss..

I always liked him, but he was a tad one dimensional

1. Pauliasi Manu (New Zealand)
2. Andy Dalton (New Zealand)
3. Julian White (England)
4. Simon Shaw (England)
5. Tom Bowman (Australia)
6. Liam Messam (New Zealand)
7. Brendon Nasser (Australia)
8. Zinzan Brooke (New Zealand)
9. Bruce Deans (New Zealand)
10. David Knox (Australia)
11. Hosea Gear (New Zealand)
12. Wayne Julies (South Africa)
13. Richard Tombs (Australia)
14. Zac Guildford (New Zealand)
15. Kieran Crowley (New Zealand)

cashead wrote:1. Pauliasi Manu (New Zealand)
2. Andy Dalton (New Zealand)
3. Julian White (England)
4. Simon Shaw (England)
5. Tom Bowman (Australia)
6. Liam Messam (New Zealand)
7. Brendon Nasser (Australia)
8. Zinzan Brooke (New Zealand)
9. Bruce Deans (New Zealand)
10. David Knox (Australia)
11. Hosea Gear (New Zealand)
12. Wayne Julies (South Africa)
13. Richard Tombs (Australia)
14. Zac Guildford (New Zealand)
15. Kieran Crowley (New Zealand)

Give us a clue

Yeah, I'm absolutely struggling. Best guess I've got is something to do with international bans or disciplinary proceedings?

Puja

Puja wrote:Yeah, I'm absolutely struggling. Best guess I've got is something to do with international bans or disciplinary proceedings?

Puja

Same, I'm thinking card : cap ratio.
Amostly influenced by Julian White's inclusion

cashead wrote:1. Pauliasi Manu (New Zealand)
2. Andy Dalton (New Zealand)
3. Julian White (England)
4. Simon Shaw (England)
5. Tom Bowman (Australia)
6. Liam Messam (New Zealand)
7. Brendon Nasser (Australia)
8. Zinzan Brooke (New Zealand)
9. Bruce Deans (New Zealand)
10. David Knox (Australia)
11. Hosea Gear (New Zealand)
12. Wayne Julies (South Africa)
13. Richard Tombs (Australia)
14. Zac Guildford (New Zealand)
15. Kieran Crowley (New Zealand)

Knox famously had huge gaps between his caps and I seem to remember Shaw getting England caps when his career was commonly thought to be over. But that doesn't make sense with Guildford so assume I'm in the wrong area?

Manu isn't capped at all, which has got me a bit stumped.

It's players based on minimum work to reward ratio at a Rugby World Cup by position.

For example, Manu, Dalton, Shaw, Deans, Knox and Tombs are all World Cup winners without having actually played at the World Cup they "won."

The rest only played 1, maybe 2 games. When there were multiple options, I went with either "more notable career outside of World Cups" (like Shaw, who was a prominent player for England for quite some time, and has a handful of Lions appearances as well) or how much they maximised their sole appearance at a World Cup (like Guildford, who got 1 cap at the 2011 RWC, and scored 4 tries).

I call it the Hey, I was there too XV.

cashead wrote:It's players based on minimum work to reward ratio at a Rugby World Cup by position.

For example, Manu, Dalton, Shaw, Deans, Knox and Tombs are all World Cup winners without having actually played at the World Cup they "won."

The rest only played 1, maybe 2 games. When there were multiple options, I went with either "more notable career outside of World Cups" (like Shaw, who was a prominent player for England for quite some time, and has a handful of Lions appearances as well) or how much they maximised their sole appearance at a World Cup (like Guildford, who got 1 cap at the 2011 RWC, and scored 4 tries).

I call it the Hey, I was there too XV.

Then surely it needs Danny Grewcock

cashead wrote:It's players based on minimum work to reward ratio at a Rugby World Cup by position.

For example, Manu, Dalton, Shaw, Deans, Knox and Tombs are all World Cup winners without having actually played at the World Cup they "won."

The rest only played 1, maybe 2 games. When there were multiple options, I went with either "more notable career outside of World Cups" (like Shaw, who was a prominent player for England for quite some time, and has a handful of Lions appearances as well) or how much they maximised their sole appearance at a World Cup (like Guildford, who got 1 cap at the 2011 RWC, and scored 4 tries).

I call it the Hey, I was there too XV.

Nice work.

As usual, name the selection criteria:

1. Oli Kebble
2. Rob Herring
3. Simon Berghan
4. Paul Willemse
5. Quinn Roux
6. Blade Thomson
7. Bernard Le Roux
8. Taulupe Faletau
9. Jamison Gibson-Park
10. Jaco van der Walt
11. James Lowe
12. Bundee Aki
13. Ignacio Brex
14. Monty Ioane
15. Sean Maitland

Lizard wrote:As usual, name the selection criteria:

1. Oli Kebble
2. Rob Herring
3. Simon Berghan
4. Paul Willemse
5. Quinn Roux
6. Blade Thomson
7. Bernard Le Roux
8. Taulupe Faletau
9. Jamison Gibson-Park
10. Jaco van der Walt
11. James Lowe
12. Bundee Aki
13. Ignacio Brex
14. Monty Ioane
15. Sean Maitland

Project players?

Puja

Puja wrote:

Lizard wrote:As usual, name the selection criteria:

1. Oli Kebble
2. Rob Herring
3. Simon Berghan
4. Paul Willemse
5. Quinn Roux
6. Blade Thomson
7. Bernard Le Roux
8. Taulupe Faletau
9. Jamison Gibson-Park
10. Jaco van der Walt
11. James Lowe
12. Bundee Aki
13. Ignacio Brex
14. Monty Ioane
15. Sean Maitland

Project players?

Puja

Surely there's more to it than that?

I was thinking maybe they made their debut against the nation of their birth but Lowe puts paid to that (and surely many more of them).

Also means it can't be how they debuted and they're not all project players, either: Maitland has a granny and Kebble has one, too?

Stom wrote:

Puja wrote:

Lizard wrote:As usual, name the selection criteria:

1. Oli Kebble
2. Rob Herring
3. Simon Berghan
4. Paul Willemse
5. Quinn Roux
6. Blade Thomson
7. Bernard Le Roux
8. Taulupe Faletau
9. Jamison Gibson-Park
10. Jaco van der Walt
11. James Lowe
12. Bundee Aki
13. Ignacio Brex
14. Monty Ioane
15. Sean Maitland

Project players?

Puja

Surely there's more to it than that?

I was thinking maybe they made their debut against the nation of their birth but Lowe puts paid to that (and surely many more of them).

Also means it can't be how they debuted and they're not all project players, either: Maitland has a granny and Kebble has one, too?

As does Blade. You're right though that it's not project players, as Faletau definitely doesn't fall into that category.

Puja