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Re: America

Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 3:33 pm
by Mikey Brown
And calling everyone stupid all the time.

Re: America

Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 4:00 pm
by Mellsblue
Mikey Brown wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2025 3:33 pm And calling everyone stupid all the time.
Fascist.

Re: America

Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 8:36 pm
by J Dory
If you can stomach it, his recent press conference is something special.


Re: America

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 12:00 pm
by Banquo
Mikey Brown wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2025 3:33 pm And calling everyone stupid all the time.
Good point well made.

Re: America

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:21 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
cashead wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2025 10:27 pm
Son of Mathonwy wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2025 3:20 pm
J Dory wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2025 1:45 pm Trump is increasingly unhinged. I'd also forgotten just how dumb he is, I mean, I knew he was dumb, but now he's back in the media spotlight we get to see it laid bare. The stupidity of the shit that comes out of his mouth. How oh how did we get here.
A combination of the stupidity of the electorate and the stupidity of the Democratics.
An oldy, but a goody.

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The very picture of hinged.
The baby's face says it all. In that reaction lies the only glimmer of hope for the USA.

Re: America

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 6:38 pm
by Stom
I have a silver lining from Trump. The Hungarian government's cozying up to China has led to a fall off in relations with the US. And the consigliere of the governmental mafia, Antal Rogan, has been added to the black list by the US government :)

Definitely will see the fall of the Hungarian government next year, thank feck.

Re: America

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:21 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
Stom wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 6:38 pm I have a silver lining from Trump. The Hungarian government's cozying up to China has led to a fall off in relations with the US. And the consigliere of the governmental mafia, Antal Rogan, has been added to the black list by the US government :)

Definitely will see the fall of the Hungarian government next year, thank feck.
I like the sound of that, but what makes you so confident?

Re: America

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:25 pm
by Stom
Son of Mathonwy wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:21 pm
Stom wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 6:38 pm I have a silver lining from Trump. The Hungarian government's cozying up to China has led to a fall off in relations with the US. And the consigliere of the governmental mafia, Antal Rogan, has been added to the black list by the US government :)

Definitely will see the fall of the Hungarian government next year, thank feck.
I like the sound of that, but what makes you so confident?
The new opposition are ahead in the polls, and gaining every week. Viktor is losing all friends, getting too close to China, and no one likes it

Re: America

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 2:47 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
Stom wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:25 pm
Son of Mathonwy wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:21 pm
Stom wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 6:38 pm I have a silver lining from Trump. The Hungarian government's cozying up to China has led to a fall off in relations with the US. And the consigliere of the governmental mafia, Antal Rogan, has been added to the black list by the US government :)

Definitely will see the fall of the Hungarian government next year, thank feck.
I like the sound of that, but what makes you so confident?
The new opposition are ahead in the polls, and gaining every week. Viktor is losing all friends, getting too close to China, and no one likes it
I like it. What are the new opposition like?

Re: America

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 4:31 pm
by Stom
Son of Mathonwy wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 2:47 pm
Stom wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:25 pm
Son of Mathonwy wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:21 pm
I like the sound of that, but what makes you so confident?
The new opposition are ahead in the polls, and gaining every week. Viktor is losing all friends, getting too close to China, and no one likes it
I like it. What are the new opposition like?
If there was no Fidesz, they'd be considered populists and we would be calling them bad names. But because of how bad Fidesz are, they're seen as the better option. They're basically a less corrupt Fidesz...which is better than the current government, but not exactly great.

He might be very good, as a typical conservative in a very conservative country.

Re: America

Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 3:24 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
Stom wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 4:31 pm
Son of Mathonwy wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 2:47 pm
Stom wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:25 pm

The new opposition are ahead in the polls, and gaining every week. Viktor is losing all friends, getting too close to China, and no one likes it
I like it. What are the new opposition like?
If there was no Fidesz, they'd be considered populists and we would be calling them bad names. But because of how bad Fidesz are, they're seen as the better option. They're basically a less corrupt Fidesz...which is better than the current government, but not exactly great.

He might be very good, as a typical conservative in a very conservative country.
A change would be good. But if Magyar is similar then he'll be tempted to use the same levers that Orban used to hold on to power. It's tentatively good that Magyar is campaigning against corruption . . . but didn't Trump do the same in 2016? Anyway, a change, even if it is to another populist would be better than more of Orban.

NB, the polling between Fidesz and TISZA looks neck and neck - I wouldn't count Orban out yet.

Re: America

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:15 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
(I know this was a couple of days ago but...)

With Trump's zero-punishment unconditional discharge, the US proves that Presidents are above the law, even more widely than implied by their, recently acquired, immunity from prosecution for official acts. What is the point? He's a dictator for 4 years.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czjdjk1dpplo

Re: America

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:41 am
by Son of Mathonwy
cashead wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 1:00 am


Yes. He did it twice.
I think it's safe to call him a fascist. Day one and we already have Nazi salutes.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... usk-salute

Re: America

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:42 am
by Sandydragon
cashead wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 1:00 am


Yes. He did it twice.



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https://bsky.app/profile/romanpalace.bs ... 5zpyhhnk27
That’s a spectacularly bad look. I can’t believe that anyone would be stupid enough to do that accidentally.

Re: America

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:52 am
by Son of Mathonwy
Sandydragon wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:42 am
cashead wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 1:00 am

Yes. He did it twice.
That’s a spectacularly bad look. I can’t believe that anyone would be stupid enough to do that accidentally.
In a sane world Tesla's share price would tank. But in a sane America this guy would be nowhere near power.

https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+s ... hare+price

Re: America

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:00 am
by Mikey Brown
Is he not just demonstrating how great the economy is going to be?

Re: America

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:03 am
by Son of Mathonwy
They knew what they were voting for. And here it comes.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... rders-list

Re: America

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:28 am
by Mellsblue
At least he’s sticking to his manifesto. A true democrat.

Re: America

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:56 am
by Son of Mathonwy
Sandydragon wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:42 am
cashead wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 1:00 am
Yes. He did it twice.

https://bsky.app/profile/romanpalace.bs ... 5zpyhhnk27
That’s a spectacularly bad look. I can’t believe that anyone would be stupid enough to do that accidentally.
Exactly. It's no accident. The voting is done. He's finally brave enough to show the world that he doesn't just have fascistic leanings, he actually is a fascist.

Re: America

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:46 am
by paddy no 11
Lol, the ADL calls it a moment of exuberance. The pro Israel anti semites are the worst

Re: America

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:51 am
by Mikey Brown
I hadn’t even considered there would be a worse angle than the ones above.

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I certainly hope the (promise of) cheap gasoline is worth it.

Re: America

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:22 am
by Son of Mathonwy
paddy no 11 wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:46 am Lol, the ADL calls it a moment of exuberance. The pro Israel anti semites are the worst
An exuberant expression of fascism.

Interesting times for Trump supporters who fancy themselves as being against antisemitism. I guess they'll brush it off after a second of cognitive dissonance. I see more cognitive dissonance in their future.

Re: America

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:38 am
by paddy no 11
Son of Mathonwy wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:22 am
paddy no 11 wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:46 am Lol, the ADL calls it a moment of exuberance. The pro Israel anti semites are the worst
An exuberant expression of fascism.

Interesting times for Trump supporters who fancy themselves as being against antisemitism. I guess they'll brush it off after a second of cognitive dissonance. I see more cognitive dissonance in their future.
Much more

Wouldn't all those Virginia tech guys chanting the Jews will not replace us be trump supporters?

Re: America

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 5:32 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
I'm trying to work out if Musk's admission of fascism is good or bad. I mean, obviously it's bad that he's a fascist (rather than merely a right wing dick), but given that he is, is it good or bad that he's revealed it to the world?

Positive:
It might cause a backlash, like people not buying Teslas, dropping X for good, ideally (if they had any sense) that's what the UK government should do, the world showing Musk that he is now toxic. This will happen to a degree but how much?
Negative:
Fascism becomes normalised (which is presumably Musk's intention), it gets explained away, laughed off, but is then easier to do again etc. We're already in a world where a genocide has taken place in plain sight but has been denied by most western nations.

I'm thinking, more likely on the negative side, but we shall see.

Re: America

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:21 pm
by paddy no 11
Definitely negative there's zero blow back from it