v AB'S - Second Test

[Banquo]

Graham Simmonds......just when I thought he couldn't be any more of a dick!

[Sandydragon]

Well fuck me that was a bit tense! We made seriously heavy weather of a one man advantage and the lack of composure was painful to watch.

For a moment I though Vunipola had royally screwed us, but too many penalties.

Huge respect to the All Blacks for their performance, for half of the game they were by far the better team with one player down.

That said, we started well and our pack fronted up. We also scored two tidy tries.

The weather apparently favoured us. Maybe although I don't think the All Blacks are too unused to playing in the wet. The difference was the utterly stupid challenge by SBW.

Very pleased with that result. I still think the Blacks are huge favourites next weekend and they will be up for righting a bad result. But right now I could give a toss about next weekend, we won, let's celebrate!

[Banquo]

I appreciate Read's decent, gentlemanly response to a really stupid question. Hard luck, mate.

yep, simmonds asked dick questions of both him and Hansen.

[Sandydragon]

Thank you Kieran Read for saying the Lions were better, but I think we know with SBW it would've been different. Respect!

Losing Kaino was arguably worse.

I agree. Big call to weaken the pack.

[Timbo]

Sexton and Farrell have mainly looked as potent as a eunuch, even good ball is kicked

Can't agree with that at all. Caused the AB's lots of issues, and they were doing so even before SBW went off. Shape in attack best it's been on tour by far. Just next week need a bit more decent ball.

[Banquo]

best thing.....game on next week. Be interesting to see what both teams do on selection.

[Mr Mwenda]

Fair enough, Lions were better on the day. BUT Garces should be made to explain why O'Brien's hit on the back of Naholo's head did not even warrant a look. His reasoning for sending off SBW - "I must protect the player" - apparently only applies to one team.

Did he see it? There seemed to be several occasions that the video ref was not being heard by Garces.

[Banquo]

Sexton and Farrell have mainly looked as potent as a eunuch, even good ball is kicked

Can't agree with that at all. Caused the AB's lots of issues, and they were doing so even before SBW went off. Shape in attack best it's been on tour by far. Just next week need a bit more decent ball.

Agreed, I was surprised at how cohesive they looked in attack, so will wind my neck in.

[Sandydragon]

Sexton and Farrell have mainly looked as potent as a eunuch, even good ball is kicked

Can't agree with that at all. Caused the AB's lots of issues, and they were doing so even before SBW went off. Shape in attack best it's been on tour by far. Just next week need a bit more decent ball.

Agreed, I was surprised at how cohesive they looked in attack, so will wind my neck in.

In atrocious weather, the lions attack looked alright. Defensively they did miss Teo, but not in attack.

Our biggest issue tonight was once again composure. After the red card we lost ours completely.

[Lord Llandaff]

Fair enough, Lions were better on the day. BUT Garces should be made to explain why O'Brien's hit on the back of Naholo's head did not even warrant a look. His reasoning for sending off SBW - "I must protect the player" - apparently only applies to one team.

Now you know how NZ opponents feel in 90% of games...

[skidger]

best thing.....game on next week. Be interesting to see what both teams do on selection.

Can't see there being many Lions changes. I thought Mako should have been taken off after the hit on Barrett from the kick. It was a card of either colour waiting to happen. For punishing idiocy at least he should be dropped.

[Adder]

a bit of a stinger.

Anyone got the Vunipola incident?

[jared_7]

Fair enough, Lions were better on the day. BUT Garces should be made to explain why O'Brien's hit on the back of Naholo's head did not even warrant a look. His reasoning for sending off SBW - "I must protect the player" - apparently only applies to one team.

Did he see it? There seemed to be several occasions that the video ref was not being heard by Garces.

I remember the TMO mentioned it, but Garces apparently decided he couldn't give any less of a shit. I don't care what colour jersey you're wearing, if you swing an arm at the back of someone's head, then you're a cunt and should be banned, and the referee sure as fucking shit should send you off for it.

I didn't think that was as bad as the Vunipola or SBW ones. It deserved a look but not sure what outcome it should have been.

In the SBW incident Garces watched every replay and then asked for a second round of viewings. With Vunipola he'd already decided and the TMO literally had to say "hold on, wait to see this angle" which clearly showed a straight shoulder to the head - even the TMO knew what the outcome should have been in the interests of parity. Garces wasn't interested, he'd already made up his mind, just like by the looks of it a number of other things he'd already decided.

[Timbo]

Fair enough, Lions were better on the day. BUT Garces should be made to explain why O'Brien's hit on the back of Naholo's head did not even warrant a look. His reasoning for sending off SBW - "I must protect the player" - apparently only applies to one team.

Did he see it? There seemed to be several occasions that the video ref was not being heard by Garces.

I remember the TMO mentioned it, but Garces apparently decided he couldn't give any less of a shit. I don't care what colour jersey you're wearing, if you swing an arm at the back of someone's head, then you're a cunt and should be banned, and the referee sure as fucking shit should send you off for it.

Did they show it more than once on NZ tv? Not sure if you have the same pictures as us? From the one replay and one angle we saw it looked like SOB is completely unsighted with his head up someone backside and Naholo is about 2 feet off the floor...certainly a lot more mitigation than SBW. Would like to see it again.

Will be interesting to see if he's cited.

[WaspInWales]

Out-fucking-standing!!!

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[jared_7]

Did he see it? There seemed to be several occasions that the video ref was not being heard by Garces.

I remember the TMO mentioned it, but Garces apparently decided he couldn't give any less of a shit. I don't care what colour jersey you're wearing, if you swing an arm at the back of someone's head, then you're a cunt and should be banned, and the referee sure as fucking shit should send you off for it.

Did they show it more than once on NZ tv? Not sure if you have the same pictures as us? From the one replay and one angle we saw it looked like SOB is completely unsighted with his head up someone backside and Naholo is about 2 feet off the floor...certainly a lot more mitigation than SBW. Would like to see it again.

Will be interesting to see if he's cited.

I don't think it was an issue. Its more because I think as fans our tempers were through the roof at how Garces had dealt wth the SBW and Vunipola ones differently that all of a sudden everything is an injustice.

Its pretty far down the list in terms of the obvious things Garces did wrong. The worst thing is if the ABs had won then we could lodge a complaint and his shocker would be analysed properly, now I don't think we will because you come off looking like sore losers but it was an atrociously lopsided performance.

[Timbo]

I remember the TMO mentioned it, but Garces apparently decided he couldn't give any less of a shit. I don't care what colour jersey you're wearing, if you swing an arm at the back of someone's head, then you're a cunt and should be banned, and the referee sure as fucking shit should send you off for it.

Did they show it more than once on NZ tv? Not sure if you have the same pictures as us? From the one replay and one angle we saw it looked like SOB is completely unsighted with his head up someone backside and Naholo is about 2 feet off the floor...certainly a lot more mitigation than SBW. Would like to see it again.

Will be interesting to see if he's cited.

I don't think it was an issue. Its more because I think as fans our tempers were through the roof at how Garces had dealt wth the SBW and Vunipola ones differently that all of a sudden everything is an injustice.

Its pretty far down the list in terms of the obvious things Garces did wrong. The worst thing is if the ABs had won then we could lodge a complaint and his shocker would be analysed properly, now I don't think we will because you come off looking like sore losers but it was an atrociously lopsided performance.

Isn't it Poite next week? More of the same all round if so.

[dk4]

Will Vunipola be playing next week?

[jared_7]

Did they show it more than once on NZ tv? Not sure if you have the same pictures as us? From the one replay and one angle we saw it looked like SOB is completely unsighted with his head up someone backside and Naholo is about 2 feet off the floor...certainly a lot more mitigation than SBW. Would like to see it again.

Will be interesting to see if he's cited.

I don't think it was an issue. Its more because I think as fans our tempers were through the roof at how Garces had dealt wth the SBW and Vunipola ones differently that all of a sudden everything is an injustice.

Its pretty far down the list in terms of the obvious things Garces did wrong. The worst thing is if the ABs had won then we could lodge a complaint and his shocker would be analysed properly, now I don't think we will because you come off looking like sore losers but it was an atrociously lopsided performance.

Isn't it Poite next week? More of the same all round if so.

More of the same what? There's nothing wrong with his style of refereeing. He was obviously tough at the breakdown which is fine.

Not giving a warning or yellow cards for 11 penalties in their own half, 5 in the 15 minutes after HT, is not really a refereeing style. Giving a red for a shoulder charge to the head and a yellow for another shoulder charge to the head isn't really a style, either.

They're inconsistencies that I'm sure if he refereed again next week would be very different.

So Im not too worried unless you mean more of one rule for one side, another for the other.

[jared_7]

Did they show it more than once on NZ tv? Not sure if you have the same pictures as us? From the one replay and one angle we saw it looked like SOB is completely unsighted with his head up someone backside and Naholo is about 2 feet off the floor...certainly a lot more mitigation than SBW. Would like to see it again.

Will be interesting to see if he's cited.

I don't think it was an issue. Its more because I think as fans our tempers were through the roof at how Garces had dealt wth the SBW and Vunipola ones differently that all of a sudden everything is an injustice.

Its pretty far down the list in terms of the obvious things Garces did wrong. The worst thing is if the ABs had won then we could lodge a complaint and his shocker would be analysed properly, now I don't think we will because you come off looking like sore losers but it was an atrociously lopsided performance.

If he chose to ignore the TMO pointing out that O'Brien striking Naholo on the back of the head with a swinging arm, then that actually would be pretty fucking egregious. "I must protect the player," indeed.

I didn't realise the TMO had asked to look at it.

I just thought the TV showed a replay and then we all moved on.

[Digby]

Not giving a warning or yellow cards for 11 penalties in their own half, 5 in the 15 minutes after HT, is not really a refereeing style.

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You're basically complaining about a period in the match when the Lion's stupidity allied to the ref pinging them was keeping NZ in the game when down a man

[Mr Mwenda]

How long do you cats need?

[jared_7]

Not giving a warning or yellow cards for 11 penalties in their own half, 5 in the 15 minutes after HT, is not really a refereeing style.

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You're basically complaining about a period in the match when the Lion's stupidity allied to the ref pinging them was keeping NZ in the game when down a man

I'm complaining they weren't warned about repeat infringing or given a yellow card. Remember this was on top of 5 or 6 in the first half.

I've said clearly Barrett being able to kick and Read being a better captain would have dealt with the issue, but at the end of the day what the game probably came down to was 14 men against 15 for a long period, it totally showed in that last 15 minutes. But Vunipola should have gone and proper refereeing for repeated infringing would have rightly negated that.

Well that and SBW not being a tool in the first place.

Anyway, as Read said - I look forward to next week when the ABs just decide to jump into every tackle to get penalties. You can't make this stuff up.

[Digby]

Not giving a warning or yellow cards for 11 penalties in their own half, 5 in the 15 minutes after HT, is not really a refereeing style.

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You're basically complaining about a period in the match when the Lion's stupidity allied to the ref pinging them was keeping NZ in the game when down a man

If a team is repeatedly infringing at the same end of the field in the same way over and over and it's the same guy half the time, then that should be grounds for a yellow card.

They did get a yellow for repeat infringements

[jared_7]

You're basically complaining about a period in the match when the Lion's stupidity allied to the ref pinging them was keeping NZ in the game when down a man

If a team is repeatedly infringing at the same end of the field in the same way over and over and it's the same guy half the time, then that should be grounds for a yellow card.

They did get a yellow for repeat infringements

Oh do tell.