jared_7 wrote:
Not giving a warning or yellow cards for 11 penalties in their own half, 5 in the 15 minutes after HT, is not really a refereeing style.
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You're basically complaining about a period in the match when the Lion's stupidity allied to the ref pinging them was keeping NZ in the game when down a man
I'm complaining they weren't warned about repeat infringing or given a yellow card. Remember this was on top of 5 or 6 in the first half.
I've said clearly Barrett being able to kick and Read being a better captain would have dealt with the issue, but at the end of the day what the game probably came down to was 14 men against 15 for a long period, it totally showed in that last 15 minutes. But Vunipola should have gone and proper refereeing for repeated infringing would have rightly negated that.
Well that and SBW not being a tool in the first place.
Anyway, as Read said - I look forward to next week when the ABs just decide to jump into every tackle to get penalties. You can't make this stuff up.
As above they were given a card for repeat infringements. And a lot of the infringements weren't killing NZ attacks, so it's not always x pens should equate to a warning, and y to a yellow
Not seen the Mako or SOB incidents as was popping in and out of the room getting bacon sandwiches and tea/coffee
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:17 am
by Digby
cashead wrote:
Digby wrote:
cashead wrote:
If a team is repeatedly infringing at the same end of the field in the same way over and over and it's the same guy half the time, then that should be grounds for a yellow card.
They did get a yellow for repeat infringements
No, Vunipola got a yellow for striking Barrett's head - which, if going by the precedent set by Garces himself earlier in the game, should've been a red.
Maybe my English isn't good enough, but the ref did say it was for repeat pens being coughed up
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:19 am
by jared_7
If you are suggesting Vunipola got a yellow for repeated infringements and not for a deliberate shoulder to a players head, which received a red card in the first half, then that would make Garces' decision making even more out of kilter.
Unless the shit I went for in the second half lasted 10 minutes and I missed another Lions yellow card. I doubt it though, spicy thai food tends to come out pretty quickly
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:21 am
by jared_7
Anyway lads, good debate. I'm out for now, have a 10k to do.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:23 am
by Timbo
I heard Garces definitely mention other pens when he sinbinned Mako.
Haven't seen SOB's again yet, but from the one angle there would definitely look to be some mitigation...unsighted, unintentional and Naholo is 2 foot off the ground. Contact with the head isn't a stonewall red, see TJ Peranara in the provincial warm up.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:26 am
by skidger
Timbo wrote:I heard Garces definitely mention other pens when he sinbinned Mako.
Haven't seen SOB's again yet, but from the one angle there would definitely look to be some mitigation...unsighted, unintentional and Naholo is 2 foot off the ground. Contact with the head isn't a stonewall red, see TJ Peranara in the provincial warm up.
He did. Same player mentioned and i think repeat infringements. Mako lost the plot for a while there till he was put out of his misery.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:27 am
by p/d
Banquo wrote:
Timbo wrote:
Digby wrote:Sexton and Farrell have mainly looked as potent as a eunuch, even good ball is kicked
Can't agree with that at all. Caused the AB's lots of issues, and they were doing so even before SBW went off. Shape in attack best it's been on tour by far. Just next week need a bit more decent ball.
Agreed, I was surprised at how cohesive they looked in attack, so will wind my neck in.
With diggers on this. Thought they offered little with ball in hand or with their much vaunted kicking game. Looked like they could have looped around each other all night and not caused too much upset.
The 'lots of issues' were caused by the pack, more importantly the back row.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:29 am
by Sandydragon
Timbo wrote:I heard Garces definitely mention other pens when he sinbinned Mako.
Haven't seen SOB's again yet, but from the one angle there would definitely look to be some mitigation...unsighted, unintentional and Naholo is 2 foot off the ground. Contact with the head isn't a stonewall red, see TJ Peranara in the provincial warm up.
I heard that too. Maybe it was additional justification, but he definitely made that comment.
As for repeated penalties, I seem to recall a lot of penalties for the lions in the warm up matches which didn't necessarily translate into a card. I don't think the penalties we gave away were that clear cut.
I was hoping Vunipola would be replaced just before the card, it was clear that he had lost all composure.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:34 am
by MerryCherry
WaspInWales wrote:Grrr: At least one new post has been made to this topic. You may wish to review your post in light of this.
Yep that's really annoying
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:36 am
by paddy no 11
Mako and SBW incidents are incomparable, stop being a dick.
SOB however should be cited, garces had issues with ear piece all night not sure he heard the TMO on that one
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:37 am
by Timbo
p/d wrote:
Banquo wrote:
Timbo wrote:
Can't agree with that at all. Caused the AB's lots of issues, and they were doing so even before SBW went off. Shape in attack best it's been on tour by far. Just next week need a bit more decent ball.
Agreed, I was surprised at how cohesive they looked in attack, so will wind my neck in.
With diggers on this. Thought they offered little with ball in hand or with their much vaunted kicking game. Looked like they could have looped around each other all night and not caused too much upset.
The 'lots of issues' were caused by the pack, more importantly the back row.
SOB was immense. Physicality up several notches on last week. Warburton did exactly what he came into the team to do; be a huge nuisance at the breakdown.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:38 am
by Mr Mwenda
paddy no 11 wrote:
SOB however should be cited, garces had issues with ear piece all night not sure he heard the TMO on that one
Come on, don't be like that. I'm expecting the next escalation to be the unearthing of evidence that Garces has had a plot to murder an All Black via Sean O'Brien in the works for years.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:40 am
by Digby
jared_7 wrote:If you are suggesting Vunipola got a yellow for repeated infringements and not for a deliberate shoulder to a players head, which received a red card in the first half, then that would make Garces' decision making even more out of kilter.
Unless the shit I went for in the second half lasted 10 minutes and I missed another Lions yellow card. I doubt it though, spicy thai food tends to come out pretty quickly
Not so much suggesting as saying that's what happened. At least as per the ref.
Still not seen Mako's incident itself so whether it warranted a card of either colour simply of itself I don't know
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:43 am
by MerryCherry
Gatland should've replaced Mako after the first incident, every man and his dog could see that card coming, apart from the coaching team apparently.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:45 am
by Mr Mwenda
MerryCherry wrote:Gatland should've replaced Mako after the first incident, every man and his dog could see that card coming, apart from the coaching team apparently.
This. Poor show there by the management. He was really after Barrett and was lucky not to see red in my view.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:45 am
by p/d
Timbo wrote:
p/d wrote:
Banquo wrote:
Agreed, I was surprised at how cohesive they looked in attack, so will wind my neck in.
With diggers on this. Thought they offered little with ball in hand or with their much vaunted kicking game. Looked like they could have looped around each other all night and not caused too much upset.
The 'lots of issues' were caused by the pack, more importantly the back row.
SOB was immense. Physicality up several notches on last week. Warburton did exactly what he came into the team to do; be a huge nuisance at the breakdown.
If they can keep that up and Toby hits his straps as a ball carrier then we could start hurting them through the middle.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:07 pm
by skidger
p/d wrote:
Timbo wrote:
p/d wrote:
With diggers on this. Thought they offered little with ball in hand or with their much vaunted kicking game. Looked like they could have looped around each other all night and not caused too much upset.
The 'lots of issues' were caused by the pack, more importantly the back row.
SOB was immense. Physicality up several notches on last week. Warburton did exactly what he came into the team to do; be a huge nuisance at the breakdown.
If they can keep that up and Toby hits his straps as a ball carrier then we could start hurting them through the middle.
And out wide. Seen little glimpses of Daly and Watson today but the chasing and hard stuff was good from them.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:12 pm
by morepork
We paid the price for n idiotic challenge. No complaints here. But, by fuck, we will see you next week.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:17 pm
by Big D
Players made hard work of it but in a big spot they got over the line. Some of the players will be better for winning and I expect both sides to take it up another level or 2 next week.
It's great both the last Lions tours have gone to a decider.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:19 pm
by Big D
On the cards, SBW was a tube, Vunipola should have been replaced but I think yellow was the right call although we'll see if he is cited or not.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:36 pm
by jared_7
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:39 pm
by ALunpg
Big D wrote:On the cards, SBW was a tube, Vunipola should have been replaced but I think yellow was the right call although we'll see if he is cited or not.
Good summary
SBW lost the plot and made his own up..Mako read the same script and was lucky ...but let us hope we don't see more cards next week. That what was so positive about the first test very hard... some times borderline ..let's hope to keep it that way.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:45 pm
by 16th man
The thing with both the Vunipola calls is that both offences were pretty indistinguishable from things the ABs had done earlier in the game.
The "Shoulder charge" after the kick isn't particularly different to a late shot on Faz @ 5 minutes earlier that the ref had made a big thing about there not being anything wrong with. Both Mako and Warburton can be quite clearly heard pointing this out after the penalty is given.
If that clear out is a penalty, and I think it probably is, then Kaino and Retallick were both guilty of multiple unpunished offences in today's game.
AB fans complaining about offside calls
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:47 pm
by Banquo
p/d wrote:
Banquo wrote:
Timbo wrote:
Can't agree with that at all. Caused the AB's lots of issues, and they were doing so even before SBW went off. Shape in attack best it's been on tour by far. Just next week need a bit more decent ball.
Agreed, I was surprised at how cohesive they looked in attack, so will wind my neck in.
With diggers on this. Thought they offered little with ball in hand or with their much vaunted kicking game. Looked like they could have looped around each other all night and not caused too much upset.
The 'lots of issues' were caused by the pack, more importantly the back row.
well you are both wrong . We had not a lot of possession, and didn't kick that much relatively from 10 and 12, and I thought their handling was good and probing and got us over the gainline when we had it; the first try was the result of a loop and good handling down the right that stretched the defence, and then good hands the other way to put Faletau over. I thought they played together well, and looked competent in dreadful conditions.
That hurts, cos I really don't think faz is a good 12.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:50 pm
by Banquo
16th man wrote:
AB fans complaining about offside calls
quite. Giving away pens on the 22 is not exactly unfamiliar.
