gaza conflict

[Son of Mathonwy]

Breathtakingly callous and depressing words from Trump on Gaza and how he doesn't expect the ceasefire to hold (or seem to care) and how nice he thinks the location is, if it could be rebuilt in a different way, with different people in charge.

The clip is about 20 seconds in to this Owen Jones video:

[paddy no 11]

The kush is upping his investments in israeli settlements

Gaza will be turned into a Havana style playground

West bank fully cleansed

[Son of Mathonwy]

Trump calls for ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... iden-pause

[Puja]

He just genuinely doesn't understand that they're actual people, does he?

Puja

[Son of Mathonwy]

He just genuinely doesn't understand that they're actual people, does he?

Puja

My take is that he's an extreme narcissist, so he doesn't care about any people.

He'd turn on the Israelis in a second if it was to his advantage, although this is extremely unlikely because large parts of the US population think they're the good guys. And he only takes account of what US people want if they're useful to him.

[Sandydragon]

Trump calls for ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... iden-pause

I wonder if those who refused to vote for the democrats in key states due to their position on this are now regretting that decision. Trump was always going to be worse.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Trump calls for ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... iden-pause

I wonder if those who refused to vote for the democrats in key states due to their position on this are now regretting that decision. Trump was always going to be worse.

No doubt they will, some MAGA Muslims too.

But I'm not going to blame them*, naïve as they were. It's Biden's fault for funding a genocide, and Harris's fault for not making a break with his Gaza policy. They left an open goal for Trump - all he had to do was be vague.

* unless they actually thought Trump would be worse for Gaza than Harris but abstained anyway - which is pretty unforgivable.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Israel's UNRWA ban began yesterday but they're being vague about how that works exactly, so I guess no one knows what will get them arrested or shot or whatever. Just in time to interfere with aid to a couple of million starving people. Presumably it will also hinder health and education provision in the West Bank.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... nto-effect

This might have got some hand-wringing from Biden but Trump will be all for it (if he can get his head around the concepts involved). No doubt the UK will be silent.

[paddy no 11]

The kush is upping his investments in israeli settlements

Gaza will be turned into a Havana style playground

West bank fully cleansed

And so it is

[Son of Mathonwy]

The kush is upping his investments in israeli settlements

Gaza will be turned into a Havana style playground

West bank fully cleansed

And so it is

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... yahu-visit

'This could be something that could be so valuable, this could be so magnificent'

Just incredible. What a monster.

Imagine Russia bombed Manhattan to rubble then let China take it over, forcing the survivors to be refugees in Canada.

[Puja]

Just sitting there next to a beaming Netanyahu, talking about how his plan is best for the Palestinians because "Gaza is a hellhole, it's very dangerous, it's just destroyed buildings and unexploded bombs. They don't really want to go back there, they only want to go back there because they haven't been given somewhere else to go, it's a very dangerous horrible place," like the danger and death is just a natural characteristic of that bit of land. Like it just spontaneously kills people, like quicksand in movies.

Abhorrent.

Puja

[Sandydragon]

Leila Morgan raised an interesting point when interviewed on the Newsagents podcast. Basically the latest Trump rhetoric might be aimed at the Arab states nearby who have been lukewarm about the two state solution. Threatening to drop thousands of Palestinians onto them might make the idea of leaning into the peace process more and helping a two state solution to come into existence might seem like the least worse option.

Of course that could just be wishful thinking .

[Puja]

Leila Morgan raised an interesting point when interviewed on the Newsagents podcast. Basically the latest Trump rhetoric might be aimed at the Arab states nearby who have been lukewarm about the two state solution. Threatening to drop thousands of Palestinians onto them might make the idea of leaning into the peace process more and helping a two state solution to come into existence might seem like the least worse option.

Of course that could just be wishful thinking .

That strikes me as a very generous interpretation of his motives. I suspect it's probably more prompted by him having had a conversation with Jared Kushner about the opportunity for beachfront property development.

Puja

[Sandydragon]

Leila Morgan raised an interesting point when interviewed on the Newsagents podcast. Basically the latest Trump rhetoric might be aimed at the Arab states nearby who have been lukewarm about the two state solution. Threatening to drop thousands of Palestinians onto them might make the idea of leaning into the peace process more and helping a two state solution to come into existence might seem like the least worse option.

Of course that could just be wishful thinking .

That strikes me as a very generous interpretation of his motives. I suspect it's probably more prompted by him having had a conversation with Jared Kushner about the opportunity for beachfront property development.

Puja

That’s entirely probable. Trump does use a wrecking ball to hammer in a nail sometimes but equally possible that he has been sold an idea of a new Atlantic City type development.

Equally he could be over promising to Netanyahu so he delivers on the Israeli side of the deal knowing that he will never follow through. But Ira a big risk to piss off Hamas in the middle of current negotiations.

And equally there may be no plan at all, just whatever vague ideas filter through is brain today.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Leila Morgan raised an interesting point when interviewed on the Newsagents podcast. Basically the latest Trump rhetoric might be aimed at the Arab states nearby who have been lukewarm about the two state solution. Threatening to drop thousands of Palestinians onto them might make the idea of leaning into the peace process more and helping a two state solution to come into existence might seem like the least worse option.

Of course that could just be wishful thinking .

That strikes me as a very generous interpretation of his motives. I suspect it's probably more prompted by him having had a conversation with Jared Kushner about the opportunity for beachfront property development.

Puja

That’s entirely probable. Trump does use a wrecking ball to hammer in a nail sometimes but equally possible that he has been sold an idea of a new Atlantic City type development.

Equally he could be over promising to Netanyahu so he delivers on the Israeli side of the deal knowing that he will never follow through. But Ira a big risk to piss off Hamas in the middle of current negotiations.

And equally there may be no plan at all, just whatever vague ideas filter through is brain today.

Netanyahu is delighted to go along with this shit for the moment. Obviously he would never give the US ownership of the land (not that it's his to give) but if Trump goes some way towards this it's all good for him. This talk from Trump makes it more likely that Hamas will withdraw from the ceasefire plan (or in some way give Netanyahu the excuse he wants to return to the slaughter), since their reward for completing the plan will be ethnic cleansing. In effect Trump is sabotaging the ceasefire plan. Also having Trump normalise ethnic cleansing, war crimes and crimes against humanity (the removal of Gazans is all three of these) and generally taking a lower moral stance than Vladimir Putin is great for Netanyahu.

Trump's obviously decided to do whatever he likes, with little thought to the consequences and no thought to the legality. Whatever he can get away with. Already we have seen him threaten then withdraw sanctions several times. Whatever happens is what he will claim he was trying to achieve. Does he really want to have Americans fighting Hamas, or directly bombing the Gazan population into extinction? Nah, he just wants to move in when the fighting's over (but Netanyahu will never give him the keys to the place). He want to expand American real estate (and in the process at least get some real estate for himself - don't doubt that this is part of it) and he wants a number of projects underway to improve his chances of success somewhere in the world.

[Which Tyler]

I think Trump's just decided that he's going to just grab everything that he wants - whilst presumably privately acknowledging that he'll be prevented on plenty; but possession in 9/10 of the law; so he'll find out how much he can keep once it's gone through the legal process with some VERY expensive lawyers for him / the government / Elon Musk.

Take it
Abuse it
Copy it (if it's data)
Hand back what you have to, having already sure your lawyers are better and most of the judges owe you favour
Pardon anyone who acts illegally whilst helping him
Fire anyone he can who's remotely obstructive (or just because they're female / coloured / disabled etc)

After all, it's not like he's actual got the interests of anyone who isn't called "Trump" in mind in the slightest - and I suspect he'd be happy enough to throw any disagreeable Trumps under the bus too.

[paddy no 11]

Leila Morgan raised an interesting point when interviewed on the Newsagents podcast. Basically the latest Trump rhetoric might be aimed at the Arab states nearby who have been lukewarm about the two state solution. Threatening to drop thousands of Palestinians onto them might make the idea of leaning into the peace process more and helping a two state solution to come into existence might seem like the least worse option.

Of course that could just be wishful thinking .

Miriam adelson gave trump 100M to destroy the west bank, Trump's inner circle is full of zionists who want a greater Israel. Their is a ceasefire in gaza because the job is finished it's uninhabitable now they just need to push the Palestinians out and move onto the west bank.

[Son of Mathonwy]

It's almost as if he wants the ceasefire to break down...?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... s-hostages


Just an aside - I'm getting pretty tired of this kind of language:

the UN’s top investigator told Politico that Trump’s plan for the “forcible displacement of an occupied group is an international crime, and amounts to ethnic cleansing”.

Amounts to, is tantamount to, is ethnic cleansing by another name ....

No, it IS ethnic cleansing. That's exactly what it is.

It's also a war crime and a crime against humanity, as legally defined.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Starmer (and Badenoch, obviously) think it was wrong to give this Gazan family asylum. Presumably because they're at risk of death from the wrong people.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... ir-starmer

[Puja]

Starmer (and Badenoch, obviously) think it was wrong to give this Gazan family asylum. Presumably because they're at risk of death from the wrong people.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... ir-starmer

More because they're the wrong kind of people. If they were Orthodox Christians, then our political leaders wouldn't have to run scared of what Reform will think.

Puja

[Son of Mathonwy]

Starmer (and Badenoch, obviously) think it was wrong to give this Gazan family asylum. Presumably because they're at risk of death from the wrong people.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... ir-starmer

More because they're the wrong kind of people. If they were Orthodox Christians, then our political leaders wouldn't have to run scared of what Reform will think.

Puja

Yeah, probably a combination:
1) they're Muslims,
2) we can't admit that our beloved Israel has made Gaza a far more deadly place than Ukraine.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Trump's 'Trump Gaza' video is next level narcissism. To post such a despicable statement of massive criminal intent has even disgusted some Truth Social users. Given Musk's prominence in the video I imagine he had a hand in it too.

What someone needs to do is produce a similar 'Hitler Warsaw' video about how the Nazis could turn the Warsaw ghetto into a rich man's playground once those inconvenient residents have been eliminated.

As an aside - the parallels between the ghetto and Gaza are chilling:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto

[Son of Mathonwy]

Another day, another war crime.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... efire-deal

[paddy no 11]

Electricity cut off now too another war crime

Meanwhile I see some journalists are basically saying the alawhites are being directed from Israel, anything but an independent Democratic Syria for them. The syrian army will now be painted as monsters and sanctions remain in place until a US and Israel friendly government/dictator can be found

[paddy no 11]

Electricity cut off now too another war crime

Meanwhile I see some journalists are basically saying the alawhites are being directed from Israel, anything but an independent Democratic Syria for them. The syrian army will now be painted as monsters and sanctions remain in place until a US and Israel friendly government/dictator can be found

It seems the crimes committed by the syrian army may have been carried out by chechen Turkish and uighur militas, hopefully this does not escalate