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jared_7 wrote:Well I love the scenes, I love the fact the series is level.

But sorry, that was farcical.

Shoulder to the head for one team is a red, a yellow for the other.

11 penalties in their own half without even a warning, it's impossible to score in those conditions if the opposition can just infringe.

And then a penalty for taking a player in the air because he decided to jump for a pass?

Please. The winner here was Gatland, his pressure in the press worked and the Frenchman, as they do, surrendered like a little bitch.

Good luck for next week, hopefully it's an actual contest.

And one could point out that Vunipola got pinged for a scrum penalty where your tighthead dived for the floor, Read won a penalty for holding on without ever releasing the tackled player, Itoje got penalised for being offside when there was no ruck and no offside line and you even got to come back for the penalty on the 10m line despite having gone 30m forward and created a try-scoring opportunity, Farrell got a late shoulder charge where Taylor changed his line to run into him - play on from the ref - but when Vunipola runs into Barrett a minute later that's a penalty...

You could pick a dozen examples either side. The ref was rubbish all around, so probably better not to whinge.

Puja

jared_7 wrote:

Didn't really get to examine both of those incidents critically when watching it at the time. Looking at it now, any call for Vunipola's challenge to be a red is utterly risible - his initial contact with the arm is on the chest and he slides up into Barrett's face. Comparing that to SBW's active shoulder charge into the face of an upright player is just silly.

Puja

There appears to be some concern from AB fans on the number of lions pens that didn't lead to a yellow card.

They may want to have a think about this stat that came out of the RCs a year or so ago

For every 11 penalties South Africa gave away they got a yellow card.
For every 12 penalties Australia gave away they got a yellow card.
For every 43 penalties New Zealand gave away they got a yellow card.

morepork wrote:We paid the price for n idiotic challenge. No complaints here. But, by fuck, we will see you next week.

Great attitude and I have absolutely no doubt that you'll pump us in the third match. Very good game and see you next week.

Puja

Puja wrote:

jared_7 wrote:

Didn't really get to examine both of those incidents critically when watching it at the time. Looking at it now, any call for Vunipola's challenge to be a red is utterly risible - his initial contact with the arm is on the chest and he slides up into Barrett's face. Comparing that to SBW's active shoulder charge into the face of an upright player is just silly.

Puja

Lol, a couple of weeks ago (I can't remember what game it was) a player was yellow carded for a shoulder charge to the head area when the Lions player was ducking and slipping and his head was at knee level.

I said these rules are getting ridiculous and was told in no uncertain terms it should have been a red card because it was shoulder onto head and everything else doesn't matter.

Jared

Anyway, on to another subject which isn't necessarily about this game (although one instance of an AB swan diving into a ruck right in front of Garces with none so much as a twitch caught my eye and I started watching more closely).

I've been out of touch with the game for a year or so, but watching throughout this tour I wonder has there been a drastic change in rules regarding players leaving their feet at ruck time?

ie; Its no longer a rule?

cough what about the missed sitters cough

Banquo wrote:cough what about the missed sitters cough

Terrible.

Read terrible as well, not very proactive.

Also for people who know, what are people's thoughts about Cruden? I mentioned it last week when he came on he looked a shambles and he did again today. Was always a fan and thought he would kick on but actually still seems like the player he was 6-7 years ago; great when you are spanking the opposition but flakey when the game is close.

Thought it was a big call benching Kaino, not sure I agreed with it if you are then just going to stick a back in the scrums anyway. Why not keep Kaino on and then for times you are worried about numbers in the backs, sit Cane out there??

jared_7 wrote:Anyway, on to another subject which isn't necessarily about this game (although one instance of an AB swan diving into a ruck right in front of Garces with none so much as a twitch caught my eye and I started watching more closely).

I've been out of touch with the game for a year or so, but watching throughout this tour I wonder has there been a drastic change in rules regarding players leaving their feet at ruck time?

ie; Its no longer a rule?

It seems like nigh on every ruck in all games at the top in both hemispheres are like it now. I reckon you could penalise every ruck for something if you wanted to ref to the law book but in the interest of entertainment a blind eye is turned it seems.

Doorzetbornandbred wrote:

jared_7 wrote:Anyway, on to another subject which isn't necessarily about this game (although one instance of an AB swan diving into a ruck right in front of Garces with none so much as a twitch caught my eye and I started watching more closely).

I've been out of touch with the game for a year or so, but watching throughout this tour I wonder has there been a drastic change in rules regarding players leaving their feet at ruck time?

ie; Its no longer a rule?

It seems like nigh on every ruck in all games at the top in both hemispheres are like it now. I reckon you could penalise every ruck for something if you wanted to ref to the law book but in the interest of entertainment a blind eye is turned it seems.

Its like its no longer even in the rule book, Doorz. A couple of years ago it was THE thing to referee, I'm just gobsmacked at how flagrant it all is now. Presumably there has been an amendment or a directive that, like you say there are so many rules at ruck time, lets just not worry about this one anymore.

Probably has sped the game up as it was always a tough one guessing whether there was an attempt to bind, whether it was s slip etc...

The reffing left a lot to be desired. I like Garces but he made a number of very poor calls today. The SBW red wasnt one of them, though.
Lions rode their luck a bit. Better goal kicking and they could easily have lost. Their play in the 3rd quarter was just about as bad as they have produced all tour. Credit to them for pulling themselves together in the last quarter to take the win, which does set up next week very nicely.

The NZ herald have given Itoje a 4/10.

That was pretty much the perfect scenario for the Lions. And it still almost went wrong.

Read showed a huge amount of dignity in the face of awful questioning.

Not sure all on this board are doing likewise.

SBW call spot on. Didn't see the SOB one (kid acting up). Mako ones looked about right to me. Ref did seem a tad inept overall thought.

Next week could get ugly.

Does anyone know what happened during the All Blacks 'line of honour'? Just seen the press conferences and Hansen is asked about the incident and whether he is disappointed with it.

These guys do some great reviews: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvv-9n ... FKg/videos
One irish, one kiwi.
Not always in line with this board, but some very nice insight.
Worth a watch

Graham bloody Simmons. Makes Sonia on the beeb look professional.

skidger wrote:Graham bloody Simmons. Makes Sonia on the beeb look professional.

absolute c*nt. I hate interviews w players and coaches straight after a game anyway, but he makes it torture

who was the motm?

Banquo wrote:

skidger wrote:Graham bloody Simmons. Makes Sonia on the beeb look professional.

absolute c*nt. I hate interviews w players and coaches straight after a game anyway, but he makes it torture

So much this. Has any single one of these "interviews" ever yielded a single worthwhile insight?

16th man wrote:

Banquo wrote:

skidger wrote:Graham bloody Simmons. Makes Sonia on the beeb look professional.

absolute c*nt. I hate interviews w players and coaches straight after a game anyway, but he makes it torture

So much this. Has any single one of these "interviews" ever yielded a single worthwhile insight?

Just the two. They are shite. And that Graham Simmons has a huge ego.

cashead wrote: No, Vunipola got a yellow for striking Barrett's head - which, if going by the precedent set by Garces himself earlier in the game, should've been a red.

No Vunipola got yellow for clearing out the man away from the ball! I know its unusual for a NZ forward to do that sort of clearout (and not come in like an exocet missile) but it does happen on occasions! Also would need to see it again but it looked to me as if it caught his shoulder first. Barrett certainly milked both that and the previous contact (given that Vunipola went in front of him and not into him)

Yes Garces wasn't the best ref but not as bad as I think you are trying to make out. Many of the Lions penalties were around half way, which is then very difficult for a ref to yellow card for repeated infringements. That tends to kept for 'red zone' penalties.

Should be an interesting and tense game next week.

Banquo wrote:who was the motm?

Maro 4/10 Itoje?

skidger wrote:Does anyone know what happened during the All Blacks 'line of honour'? Just seen the press conferences and Hansen is asked about the incident and whether he is disappointed with it.

From the replay I saw it seemed that Sinckler was still celebrating (doing his best Ric Flair impression) and Farrell told him to shut up.

Freddo wrote:

skidger wrote:Does anyone know what happened during the All Blacks 'line of honour'? Just seen the press conferences and Hansen is asked about the incident and whether he is disappointed with it.

From the replay I saw it seemed that Sinckler was still celebrating (doing his best Ric Flair impression) and Farrell told him to shut up.

Oh dear. A very good prospect but has a lot of growing up to do.

skidger wrote:

Freddo wrote:

skidger wrote:Does anyone know what happened during the All Blacks 'line of honour'? Just seen the press conferences and Hansen is asked about the incident and whether he is disappointed with it.

From the replay I saw it seemed that Sinckler was still celebrating (doing his best Ric Flair impression) and Farrell told him to shut up.

Oh dear. A very good prospect but has a lot of growing up to do.

Indeed. When the match-winning penalty was conceded (from a frankly appalling decision, considering Sinckler caused it by jumping into a tackle, which is against the laws), Sinckler actually sprang up from the floor looking for a fight after having been "fouled". Showed good pre-emptive management from the Lions leaders that SOB and Farrell were watching for it and were on his shoulder instantly to lead him away and tell him not to be a twat and get the penalty reversed.

Puja