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[Mikey Brown]

You said you don’t mind him other than being old, which I agree with. I think all the others are pretty flawed. I’m not sure what else you want me to say, without turning this in to a thread about why I don’t like Buttogieg.

Obviously any of them ahead of Trump is a positive, but they all seem to have pretty questionable investments/associates and I think at least trying to give a broad reaching healthcare program is worth a go.

I’m not suggesting I know everything about all the candidates, but am I missing something about Sanders that makes him equally unsuitable? (Despite you saying you don’t have an issue other than age?)

[Digby]

I don't have a problem with someone having and stating a preference for Sanders, it just seems a bit weird to me to look at the others and assume such appalling characteristics and motivations in people like Amy Klobuchar and Pete Buttigieg

[Son of Mathonwy]

What a mess. Word is that Bernie has it, but we'll have to wait. You can be sure that the big financial cowboys will be going hammer and tongs to stop him (or Warren) with some McCarthy-worthy scare tactics. Cue crying billionaires and developmentally challenged trust fund babies. The trickle down will be lavender scented shit that business owners and the next tier of wealth down that think they have a shot at failing up under this cowpat of a current government. There is a fairly comprehensive article in the NYT that shows just how deep the financial sector has it's claws embedded in the current administration. We are fucked.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/04/maga ... trump.html

Wish someone had the info to sum up all the money that genius businessman has burned and never repaid.

[Mikey Brown]

I don't have a problem with someone having and stating a preference for Sanders, it just seems a bit weird to me to look at the others and assume such appalling characteristics and motivations in people like Amy Klobuchar and Pete Buttigieg

Fair enough on Klobuchar. I wasn't particularly thinking of her and got the impression she is nowhere in terms of making an impression.

Not sure how much time to devote to explaining this Pete thing. But even today is a good example where he's posted about Trayvon Martin with the Blacklivesmatter tag, having previously been on the other side of this (defending the police and quoting "all lives matter" in response to police wearing 'breathe easy' t-shirts.) As with the Iowa situation he will seemingly claim victory, as a champion of minority or LGBTQ groups for instance, while there's many accounts of the reality being quite different. Obviously a lot of this only applies to his town, rather than on any national scale, because that's his only experience.


The disdain in "I'm not asking for your vote".

https://prospect.org/civil-rights/afric ... very-well/



Only yesterday I read an account from a black woman attending an event as a researcher who was then placed in the front row behind Buttigieg. Oddly enough enough stood next to only other black women.

Similarly his talk of being the only clean candidate, untainted or unswayed by dirty money doesn't seem to tally up. There's still the questions around his McKinsey background. I can't find anything about the more questionable parts of his military record that I'd heard.

Essentially I don't know. I could be wrong on all of this. I can't see inside his head, but I certainly wouldn't trust him if given a serious alternative. Trump is obviously not a serious alternative.

[Mikey Brown]

Oh. This too, which is obviously far, far worse than anything mentioned in the previous post.

[Digby]

So if I can find one POC who doesn't like Bernie I can refer to Bernie as being dead inside, and not in a way that refers to his heart attack?

[Mikey Brown]

Do whatever the fuck you like. What is it you actually want from this conversation? I hadn't realised any use of hyperbole at all was going to be such an issue for you.

If you equate his existing relationship with black voters to one POC not liking Bernie that's entirely your choice.

[Digby]

Do whatever the fuck you like. What is it you actually want from this conversation? I hadn't realised any use of hyperbole at all was going to be such an issue for you.

If you equate his existing relationship with black voters to one POC not liking Bernie that's entirely your choice.

You've noted Buttigieg as being dead on the inside, that there's something deeply dodgy about him on a personal level, that he lacks sincerity, he's a fucking weirdo, he's particularly awful, I'm not saying you're not allowed to use hyperbole it just seems a bit weird to take such a dislike to the chap.

- He seems calm, civil, intelligent and a reasonable candidate though I'm not going to be upset if people go another way even if I'd much rather Sanders and Warren were both 15-20 years younger.

[Mikey Brown]

I would be genuinely shocked if he has never strangled a cat to death. There. I said it.

[morepork]

Digby likes him a bit of mature, the dorty fecker.

[Digby]

Digby likes him a bit of mature, the dorty fecker.

What's the bar for mature?

[morepork]

Digby likes him a bit of mature, the dorty fecker.

What's the bar for mature?

Probably to prevent them slipping in the shower and breaking a hip.

[Digby]

Digby likes him a bit of mature, the dorty fecker.

What's the bar for mature?

Probably to prevent them slipping in the shower and breaking a hip.

Sounds like it could make them harder to catch

[Digby]

I would be genuinely shocked if he has never strangled a cat to death. There. I said it.

So you're saying he's a dog person? Actually as per that clip he does have a dog, a rescue dog.

[Puja]

Digby likes him a bit of mature, the dorty fecker.

What's the bar for mature?

Probably to prevent them slipping in the shower and breaking a hip.

Okay, that made me laugh out loud.

Puja

[Banquo]

Digby likes him a bit of mature, the dorty fecker.

What's the bar for mature?

Probably to prevent them slipping in the shower and breaking a hip.

good work

[Mikey Brown]

[morepork]

Mild cognitive impairment with possible early dementia? Sure, anything but a woman. Women are dirty.

How many old white dudes does it take to change a light bulb?

[Which Tyler]

Mild cognitive impairment with possible early dementia?

Early?

[morepork]

Check out Trumpo the Klown trying to pronounce Indian names and places on tour there. That fucker can't get out of there quick enough to wash the brown off him.
Consider also elite debator Mike "Stunned Mullet" Bloomberg and you have a cracker dementia trifecta.

[Digby]

Biden has always been like that, so what's the evidence of a decline?

if the concern is old people running then someone needs to tell Warren and Sanders too

[morepork]

They can speak in complete sentences.

[gransoporro]

They can speak in complete sentences.

In Sanders case, it is what he says.

He moved from “I have nothing to be ashamed of” to “I never do anything wrong, and if it happens it is from infiltrated”. The latter is Trumpian.

BTW, what was he thinking when he wrote that cancer can be psicosomatic, the effect of a bad relationship with the mother or a female teacher? He is definitely less crazy now!!

[morepork]

OK. Four crazy old white dudes.

[Digby]

They can speak in complete sentences.

Unless having a heart attack