RugbyRebels

16th man wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:37 pm Just done a quick check and the record winning margin for Ireland at Twickenham is 17. I would suggest that will be changing in a fortnight.

Insouciant wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:06 pm I found it hard to know what we were doing in attack - especially late on. I think this is because we got turned-over, dropped the ball, kicked it away or threw it into touch before we got going. I'm sure there was a play on/after 70 mins where we had an attacking lineout near the 22 and we got turned over after first or second phase. Teams get turned over - but surely you can plan the first few phases of a lineout move, this shouldn't happen. In fact our first try was from perfectly executing a move which makes this more annoying.

All the Scotland tries came from our errors if I'm remembering rightly and at least 2 of those completely unforced. Scotland did well to execute when given the chances but it's us handing them those chances. It was quite clear when there is a moment of broken play (bouncing ball, scruffy kick tennis, ball thrown into player's face bouncing to the opposition etc) that the defensive system isn't able to cope with that. We can't close spaces quickly and the defence is complete pigs ear. There were a lot of tackles missed but my memory is that most tries came from this type of transition, so this needs to be worked on. Along with throwing and catching.

There were moments of brightness but we usually did something dull straight after. IFW had a positive impact on every touch and should be a stick-on selection for the next game. Getting him in space or running into a broken field would be a good idea.

Oakboy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:28 pm

Insouciant wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:06 pm I found it hard to know what we were doing in attack - especially late on. I think this is because we got turned-over, dropped the ball, kicked it away or threw it into touch before we got going. I'm sure there was a play on/after 70 mins where we had an attacking lineout near the 22 and we got turned over after first or second phase. Teams get turned over - but surely you can plan the first few phases of a lineout move, this shouldn't happen. In fact our first try was from perfectly executing a move which makes this more annoying.

All the Scotland tries came from our errors if I'm remembering rightly and at least 2 of those completely unforced. Scotland did well to execute when given the chances but it's us handing them those chances. It was quite clear when there is a moment of broken play (bouncing ball, scruffy kick tennis, ball thrown into player's face bouncing to the opposition etc) that the defensive system isn't able to cope with that. We can't close spaces quickly and the defence is complete pigs ear. There were a lot of tackles missed but my memory is that most tries came from this type of transition, so this needs to be worked on. Along with throwing and catching.

There were moments of brightness but we usually did something dull straight after. IFW had a positive impact on every touch and should be a stick-on selection for the next game. Getting him in space or running into a broken field would be a good idea.

Agree with all that. As regards IFW, daft as it sounds, he may be better coming off the bench. I'm only thinking how much we expected from Freeman. He has got progressively worse over three matches when subjected to the starting XV preparation. Hardly any of his best 'normal' game is seen even though he appears to be working hard. Might IFW be spoiled too?

Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 3:21 pm It would help if we’d used him in any way that actually utilised his strengths. Kind of like we did against Italy. He’s not got worse. We have.

Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 3:21 pm It would help if we’d used him in any way that actually utilised his strengths. Kind of like we did against Italy. He’s not got worse. We have.

Banquo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 3:54 pm

Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 3:21 pm It would help if we’d used him in any way that actually utilised his strengths. Kind of like we did against Italy. He’s not got worse. We have.

its all odd. Pick form players and dont use their strengths.....nobody seems to know jackshit bout backplay.

Banquo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 3:51 pm france all over Italy for 38 mins but butchered countless chances...then possibly Danty (to be) sent off

Insouciant wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 3:53 pm Watching the Italy France game. Italy under the pump for most of the first half. They get the ball in the last 5 minutes.. and their handling/ability to make yards is light years ahead of ours. Yep a could of brain farts and a pass goes to ground (though re-gathered and the move restarted) but they made 30 yards or so pretty quickly with a lot of good handling. I just don't expect that from England when we get the ball. Whatever the Italian attacking plan is, I'm no expert, but they all seem to be aware of what they are doing.

Banquo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 3:43 pm

Oakboy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:28 pm

Insouciant wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:06 pm I found it hard to know what we were doing in attack - especially late on. I think this is because we got turned-over, dropped the ball, kicked it away or threw it into touch before we got going. I'm sure there was a play on/after 70 mins where we had an attacking lineout near the 22 and we got turned over after first or second phase. Teams get turned over - but surely you can plan the first few phases of a lineout move, this shouldn't happen. In fact our first try was from perfectly executing a move which makes this more annoying.

All the Scotland tries came from our errors if I'm remembering rightly and at least 2 of those completely unforced. Scotland did well to execute when given the chances but it's us handing them those chances. It was quite clear when there is a moment of broken play (bouncing ball, scruffy kick tennis, ball thrown into player's face bouncing to the opposition etc) that the defensive system isn't able to cope with that. We can't close spaces quickly and the defence is complete pigs ear. There were a lot of tackles missed but my memory is that most tries came from this type of transition, so this needs to be worked on. Along with throwing and catching.

There were moments of brightness but we usually did something dull straight after. IFW had a positive impact on every touch and should be a stick-on selection for the next game. Getting him in space or running into a broken field would be a good idea.

Agree with all that. As regards IFW, daft as it sounds, he may be better coming off the bench. I'm only thinking how much we expected from Freeman. He has got progressively worse over three matches when subjected to the starting XV preparation. Hardly any of his best 'normal' game is seen even though he appears to be working hard. Might IFW be spoiled too?

how has freeman 'got worse'?

Oakboy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:10 pm

Banquo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 3:43 pm

Oakboy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:28 pm

Agree with all that. As regards IFW, daft as it sounds, he may be better coming off the bench. I'm only thinking how much we expected from Freeman. He has got progressively worse over three matches when subjected to the starting XV preparation. Hardly any of his best 'normal' game is seen even though he appears to be working hard. Might IFW be spoiled too?

how has freeman 'got worse'?

In terms of affecting the game.

Banquo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:06 pm

Insouciant wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 3:53 pm Watching the Italy France game. Italy under the pump for most of the first half. They get the ball in the last 5 minutes.. and their handling/ability to make yards is light years ahead of ours. Yep a could of brain farts and a pass goes to ground (though re-gathered and the move restarted) but they made 30 yards or so pretty quickly with a lot of good handling. I just don't expect that from England when we get the ball. Whatever the Italian attacking plan is, I'm no expert, but they all seem to be aware of what they are doing.

somehow they`ve figured out that its a game rather than pre programmed slow mo hokey cokey.

Danty indeed red carded. Dupont unsuprisingly a huge miss still

Banquo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:14 pm

Oakboy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:10 pm

Banquo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 3:43 pm
how has freeman 'got worse'?

In terms of affecting the game.

unless he has telekinetic powers not sure what he is supposed to do.

p/d wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:23 pm

Banquo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:06 pm

Insouciant wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 3:53 pm Watching the Italy France game. Italy under the pump for most of the first half. They get the ball in the last 5 minutes.. and their handling/ability to make yards is light years ahead of ours. Yep a could of brain farts and a pass goes to ground (though re-gathered and the move restarted) but they made 30 yards or so pretty quickly with a lot of good handling. I just don't expect that from England when we get the ball. Whatever the Italian attacking plan is, I'm no expert, but they all seem to be aware of what they are doing.

somehow they`ve figured out that its a game rather than pre programmed slow mo hokey cokey.

Danty indeed red carded. Dupont unsuprisingly a huge miss still

I’m actually quite enjoying this. Full of errors but a bit of fun.

Banquo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:52 pm hope spiff watched

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:54 pm That was insane. That ending was completely unbelievable. I've never felt such a bizarre atmosphere from a stadium through the TV.