ARM wrote:If Lance can’t even get past a pudding like Weir he must be the epitome of a journeyman.
He's better than you think - he single-handedly kept Worcester up in his first stint on loan in 2017 and turned their season around. He then went back to Super Rugby to fulfil his previously signed commitment and then struggled with injuries in his second stint (unsurprising after trying to play continuously for 20 months!) which put him behind Weir (who in fairness has been good for Worcester).
He's might not be a world-beater, but he's a pretty useful fly-half to have and I'd be surprised if you couldn't get some performances out of him.
Puja
This is more a general statement but it may be very interesting to see how many players come out the other side of this looking significantly better for an extended lay off.
It’s easy to forget the proportion of the top players who are fighting through some sort of pain or injury when judging overall quality.
ARM wrote:If Lance can’t even get past a pudding like Weir he must be the epitome of a journeyman.
He's better than you think - he single-handedly kept Worcester up in his first stint on loan in 2017 and turned their season around. He then went back to Super Rugby to fulfil his previously signed commitment and then struggled with injuries in his second stint (unsurprising after trying to play continuously for 20 months!) which put him behind Weir (who in fairness has been good for Worcester).
He's might not be a world-beater, but he's a pretty useful fly-half to have and I'd be surprised if you couldn't get some performances out of him.
Puja
This is more a general statement but it may be very interesting to see how many players come out the other side of this looking significantly better for an extended lay off.
It’s easy to forget the proportion of the top players who are fighting through some sort of pain or injury when judging overall quality.
I was thinking this the other day. It could be that this is the best Lions team assembled in the professional era with the combination of an actual break for players and the Saracens lot getting most of a season off.
Confirmation that Chamberlain is signing, along with Ben Muncaster and Dan Gamble.
Muncaster is an 18 year old backrow who was born in North Berwick but has been in the Leicester academy.
Gamble is a 19 year old prop that had been playing super 6 with Heriot's.
All on stage 3 academy contracts so I guess that doesn't preclude Boyle/Darge getting full-time contracts, for example. Would think that Chamberlain has a shot at first team rugby though.
switchskier wrote:Confirmation that Chamberlain is signing, along with Ben Muncaster and Dan Gamble.
Muncaster is an 18 year old backrow who was born in North Berwick but has been in the Leicester academy.
Gamble is a 19 year old prop that had been playing super 6 with Heriot's.
All on stage 3 academy contracts so I guess that doesn't preclude Boyle/Darge getting full-time contracts, for example. Would think that Chamberlain has a shot at first team rugby though.
Edinburgh this season had Boyle, Darge and Mann - all back rows - in their academy. Adding Muncaster must mean a promotion or a move for someone surely. Trouble is Edinburgh still have loads of back rows in their senior squad.
Gamble was getting rave reviews before being injured and missing U20 6N. Was I thought already in the Edin academy
Chamberlain is the biggie. Looks to have everything, just needs to prove it at top level. Unfortunately I doubt he will get much chance at Edinburgh next season. VDW is firmly 1st pick. Lance hasn't been signed to sit in the stand. Neither of these two are going to bother national selectors. Cockerill is very obstinate and conservative in his selections and doesn't often trust a youngster. So a good signing for Edinburgh and their turn to get the repatriated fly half, but I suspect he would have a better shot at game time down the M8, with a real shot at being 2nd pick
switchskier wrote:Confirmation that Chamberlain is signing, along with Ben Muncaster and Dan Gamble.
Muncaster is an 18 year old backrow who was born in North Berwick but has been in the Leicester academy.
Gamble is a 19 year old prop that had been playing super 6 with Heriot's.
All on stage 3 academy contracts so I guess that doesn't preclude Boyle/Darge getting full-time contracts, for example. Would think that Chamberlain has a shot at first team rugby though.
Edinburgh this season had Boyle, Darge and Mann - all back rows - in their academy. Adding Muncaster must mean a promotion or a move for someone surely. Trouble is Edinburgh still have loads of back rows in their senior squad.
Gamble was getting rave reviews before being injured and missing U20 6N. Was I thought already in the Edin academy
Chamberlain is the biggie. Looks to have everything, just needs to prove it at top level. Unfortunately I doubt he will get much chance at Edinburgh next season. VDW is firmly 1st pick. Lance hasn't been signed to sit in the stand. Neither of these two are going to bother national selectors. Cockerill is very obstinate and conservative in his selections and doesn't often trust a youngster. So a good signing for Edinburgh and their turn to get the repatriated fly half, but I suspect he would have a better shot at game time down the M8, with a real shot at being 2nd pick
Agree re Glasgow but third choice at that age isn't bad. One injury and hopefully he'd be on the bench
Cockers seems to be loading up on youngsters. Looks like a bunch of them are going to be involved in training and given the chance to impress. A bit old school Leicester perhaps but doesn't feel like a bad thing. Any ideas who the experienced Scottish lock is?
Also looks like we're keeping both Boyle and Darge. Real stockpiling of backrow talent going on at one end of the M8.
“Sam Grahamslaw, the young loosehead, will take a professional contract,” the coach explained. “Rory Darge and Connor Boyle will be first-year professionals as well. They’ve been training with us for the past year and had a big impact with the [Scotland Under-]20s.”
switchskier wrote: Any ideas who the experienced Scottish lock is?
One of the comments suggests Swinson. I haven't counted up how many locks that would leave Glasgow with but would make sense on paper for him given his lack of game time.
With all those names floated in the article it sounds to me like Edinburgh will end up with loads though. Suppose most of them aren't seen as ready to be relied on.
switchskier wrote: Any ideas who the experienced Scottish lock is?
One of the comments suggests Swinson. I haven't counted up how many locks that would leave Glasgow with but would make sense on paper for him given his lack of game time.
With all those names floated in the article it sounds to me like Edinburgh will end up with loads though. Suppose most of them aren't seen as ready to be relied on.
Looks like it's Davidson moving across from Glasgow. A bit weird when you think how few players Glasgow have their now. Just Cummings and McDonald really, unless Nakarawa stays, which isn't going to get the job done. Is that now seven Scottish locks at Edinburgh?
The lock situation at Glasgow looks like a shit show as Sykes is apparently being snapped up by Edinburgh too (wtf?). They only have Gray, Harley & Cummings on the books.
Lots of rumours ranging from McDonald & Naka being resigned to CHH and Alex Toolis coming back north.
Either way it looks very unbalanced - Sykes would give Edinburgh something like 7 or 8 SQ locks.
Cameo wrote:If say Naka, McDonald and CHH sign then that is problem solved. A few ifs there though
from what I've gathered CHH is not coming back north of the border. The reason he moved south has not changed.
And journos were suggesting Naka was heading down south. Even if all those did sign, 5 isn't really enough when Cummings may be with Scotland and Gray on the injury list as often as he is.
Wonder if whatever happened means he’s not going to play for Scotland.
Anyway, I think the signing situation isn’t ideal, but it wouldn’t surprise me if, like a lot of other clubs, Glasgow are keeping their powder dry until they get an idea of what looks like normal over the next couple of years.
Cockerill seems have have messed up in as much as Jono Lance has been denied a visa and won't be joining Edinburgh. Would have Thought should have confirmed that first
God news is I hope it means Chamberlain may get a proper opportunity which he would have been unlikely to get otherwise from Cockerill next season. Unless he nicks someone form Glasgow again
septic 9 wrote:Cockerill seems have have messed up in as much as Jono Lance has been denied a visa and won't be joining Edinburgh. Would have Thought should have confirmed that first
God news is I hope it means Chamberlain may get a proper opportunity which he would have been unlikely to get otherwise from Cockerill next season. Unless he nicks someone form Glasgow again
Doubt the head coach is involved in that part of negotiations past agreeing to take him on pending the work visa application being successful.
hugh_woatmeigh wrote:The lock situation at Glasgow looks like a shit show as Sykes is apparently being snapped up by Edinburgh too (wtf?). They only have Gray, Harley & Cummings on the books.
Lots of rumours ranging from McDonald & Naka being resigned to CHH and Alex Toolis coming back north.
Either way it looks very unbalanced - Sykes would give Edinburgh something like 7 or 8 SQ locks.
According to the Glasgow website Davidson had signed a 2 year deal so they've let him go a year early. So it is probably a bit of Cockers taking a flier to see if he can get a tune out him.
Weeg must have something lined up. Even if they don't think Davidson is up to much, releasing him without a plan would be mental.
hugh_woatmeigh wrote:The lock situation at Glasgow looks like a shit show as Sykes is apparently being snapped up by Edinburgh too (wtf?). They only have Gray, Harley & Cummings on the books.
Lots of rumours ranging from McDonald & Naka being resigned to CHH and Alex Toolis coming back north.
Either way it looks very unbalanced - Sykes would give Edinburgh something like 7 or 8 SQ locks.
According to the Glasgow website Davidson had signed a 2 year deal so they've let him go a year early. So it is probably a bit of Cockers taking a flier to see if he can get a tune out him.
Weeg must have something lined up. Even if they don't think Davidson is up to much, releasing him without a plan would be mental.
They almost certainly should be signing Sykes but the inside info suggests Edinburgh (which makes no sense). That would cover their young SQ option - I think CHH or Toolis returning north are the other most likely options.
Edit: oops sorry missed that this had already been posted!
Jono Lance deal off. Couldn't get a work permit apparently. I'm not too fussed but they might be a bit panicky going in with Chamberlain as second choice. If they can't find anyone else, we might see Kinghorn get a bit more time there
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septic 9 wrote:Cockerill seems have have messed up in as much as Jono Lance has been denied a visa and won't be joining Edinburgh. Would have Thought should have confirmed that first
God news is I hope it means Chamberlain may get a proper opportunity which he would have been unlikely to get otherwise from Cockerill next season. Unless he nicks someone form Glasgow again
Doubt the head coach is involved in that part of negotiations past agreeing to take him on pending the work visa application being successful.
you're right, I meant more that his squad was cocked up. poor wording on my part.
Due by Edinburgh though should have been better I think. I know Lance was working in the UK, but new employer should check first and delay announcements until they have the ok from the home office.
septic 9 wrote:Cockerill seems have have messed up in as much as Jono Lance has been denied a visa and won't be joining Edinburgh. Would have Thought should have confirmed that first
God news is I hope it means Chamberlain may get a proper opportunity which he would have been unlikely to get otherwise from Cockerill next season. Unless he nicks someone form Glasgow again
Doubt the head coach is involved in that part of negotiations past agreeing to take him on pending the work visa application being successful.
you're right, I meant more that his squad was cocked up. poor wording on my part.
Due by Edinburgh though should have been better I think. I know Lance was working in the UK, but new employer should check first and delay announcements until they have the ok from the home office.
His work visa apparently runs out later this year and because he hasn't played the requisite number of games he can't get a visa.
Some journos on twitter suggesting Edinburgh always said the deal was pending a visa but it still seems a failure by announcing it early. More work required to fill that hole. I am keen to give Chamberlain a chance but RC and DH are risk averse as coaches.
