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p/d wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:59 am But isn't poor shot choice part of the philosophy?

I mean the best we could have expected when our openers took guard was a draw. And yet…

Banquo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 11:07 am

p/d wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:59 am But isn't poor shot choice part of the philosophy?

I mean the best we could have expected when our openers took guard was a draw. And yet…

Not at all. The philosophy - which has been brilliant- is to play attacking cricket. That doesn't equal stupid shots- people have been having a go at Root for playing ramp shots, but with his skill and expertise its always been a productive shot in his test locker-- his strike rate has always been high, so all the folks saying 'bazball doesn't fit with his game' are talking bs frankly- he's just in bad nick, he's had these often before.

and the 'best we could have expected' has been turned on its head, that's exactly the point of it (in this case had we batted to the end of tomorrow, we'd have faced c 140 overs ish...4 an over gives you a win).

p/d wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 11:49 am

Banquo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 11:07 am

p/d wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:59 am But isn't poor shot choice part of the philosophy?

I mean the best we could have expected when our openers took guard was a draw. And yet…

Not at all. The philosophy - which has been brilliant- is to play attacking cricket. That doesn't equal stupid shots- people have been having a go at Root for playing ramp shots, but with his skill and expertise its always been a productive shot in his test locker-- his strike rate has always been high, so all the folks saying 'bazball doesn't fit with his game' are talking bs frankly- he's just in bad nick, he's had these often before.

and the 'best we could have expected' has been turned on its head, that's exactly the point of it (in this case had we batted to the end of tomorrow, we'd have faced c 140 overs ish...4 an over gives you a win).

I get what you are saying but I personally think one leads to the other. Root is an example yes but if only it was him we were talking about.

fivepointer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 11:37 am Horrible capitulation.

I'm all for attacking intent but you have to mix aggression with a degree of pragmatic game management. We were in a good position starting the 3rd day and have just been blown away.

Banquo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:26 am soft middle order again, Root and YJB very poor this series so far. YJB maybe needs pensioning out of test cricket.

Big D wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 11:24 am

Banquo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:26 am soft middle order again, Root and YJB very poor this series so far. YJB maybe needs pensioning out of test cricket.

He has been needing pensioned off since his injury. Playing him v West Indies and Sri Lanka would be detrimental as he'll score well in the odd innings then keep his place for NZ where he'll be crap again.

With Root, he is having to bowl an awful lot of overs. that is very slight mitigation that YJB doesn't have.

Puja wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:54 pm I don't get the histrionics going on in the press about "This could be the end for Bazball." Yes, it was an incredibly impressive defeat that we engineered for ourselves, but also it's India at home. Sides will get dicked by India at home - it's just going to happen. One shitty performance shouldn't require us to even consider chucking out our whole approach, given how well it's gone for us previously.

Puja

Galfon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:58 am After Crawley & YJB, Root and Foakes are scoring at less than 0.5/ball, 'steadilly'...a sensible response some say.
Bazball maybe being re-defined as we speak.. :

Galfon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:58 am After Crawley & YJB, Root and Foakes are scoring at less than 0.5/ball, 'steadilly'...a sensible response some say.
Bazball maybe being re-defined as we speak.. :

Puja wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 8:52 am

Galfon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:58 am After Crawley & YJB, Root and Foakes are scoring at less than 0.5/ball, 'steadilly'...a sensible response some say.
Bazball maybe being re-defined as we speak.. :

Bazball's always been adaptable to the situation though - it was never about swinging for every ball, no matter the conditions. The pundits are making out like it's "Root and Foakes going into their shells and abandoning Bazball", but they're doing the same - attacking the bad balls, playing bold shots like sweeps, but on a very uneven pitch against a very good attack. Let's not forget that 0.5/ball is 3 runs an over, something which previous English batting styles in this situation could only have dreamed of.

Puja