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Zhivago wrote:

Stom wrote:But the most important thing is to actually have voted. This time - for the first time since being here - they actually sent me my postal vote in time. So I could vote this time.

Everyone else, get out there (although I know I'm preaching to the converted in an internet politics thread...).

Why don't you use proxy?

A postal vote would be more useful surely? I'd only use proxy voting if I were away for the day and I asked the wife to vote on my behalf. If getting to the pollling booth is likely to be too difficult for one election, it probably would be for all, hence postal voting.

Zhivago wrote:

Stom wrote:But the most important thing is to actually have voted. This time - for the first time since being here - they actually sent me my postal vote in time. So I could vote this time.

Everyone else, get out there (although I know I'm preaching to the converted in an internet politics thread...).

Why don't you use proxy?

It would have been a hassle, and only 1 person available who I would trust to put the x in the right box. Plus, it really should not be a big deal to send papers out on time...and this time they managed.

Stom wrote:

Zhivago wrote:

Stom wrote:But the most important thing is to actually have voted. This time - for the first time since being here - they actually sent me my postal vote in time. So I could vote this time.

Everyone else, get out there (although I know I'm preaching to the converted in an internet politics thread...).

Why don't you use proxy?

It would have been a hassle, and only 1 person available who I would trust to put the x in the right box. Plus, it really should not be a big deal to send papers out on time...and this time they managed.

I'm available if you'd like your vote to go for the Monster Raving Loonies. (actually this election I did wonder about voting Monster Raving Loony Party)

Exit poll = hung parliament

I'll start thinking about sandy's new avatar...

Zhivago wrote:Exit poll = hung parliament

I'll start thinking about sandy's new avatar...

Word from both Labour and Conservative camps this is out of line with their expectations.

Zhivago wrote:Exit poll = hung parliament

I'll start thinking about sandy's new avatar...

Well know in a few hours time, what will be will be.

I still think in an exit poll people are more likely to say they didn't vote Conservative if they did, than the other way around.

Sandydragon wrote:

Zhivago wrote:Exit poll = hung parliament

I'll start thinking about sandy's new avatar...

Well know in a few hours time, what will be will be.

That'll make for a boring thread. More baseless speculation and arguments, please.

jared_7 wrote:I still think in an exit poll people are more likely to say they didn't vote Conservative if they did, than the other way around.

Sandydragon wrote:

Zhivago wrote:Exit poll = hung parliament

I'll start thinking about sandy's new avatar...

Well know in a few hours time, what will be will be.

That'll make for a boring thread. More baseless speculation and arguments, please.

The exit polls have been quite reliable recently, though...

It will be interesting, then. When I get up around 6 UK time, it'll be very interesting to see exactly where we are with seats declared.

Stom wrote:

jared_7 wrote:I still think in an exit poll people are more likely to say they didn't vote Conservative if they did, than the other way around.

Sandydragon wrote: Well know in a few hours time, what will be will be.

That'll make for a boring thread. More baseless speculation and arguments, please.

The exit polls have been quite reliable recently, though...

It will be interesting, then. When I get up around 6 UK time, it'll be very interesting to see exactly where we are with seats declared.

Except for the one prior to this.......

BBC repeatedly saying that this is based on a lot of 50/50 constituency falling the correct way. Still, you can't see it being that far wrong surely.

Mellsblue wrote:

Stom wrote:

jared_7 wrote:I still think in an exit poll people are more likely to say they didn't vote Conservative if they did, than the other way around.



That'll make for a boring thread. More baseless speculation and arguments, please.

The exit polls have been quite reliable recently, though...

It will be interesting, then. When I get up around 6 UK time, it'll be very interesting to see exactly where we are with seats declared.

Except for the one prior to this.......

BBC repeatedly saying that this is based on a lot of 50/50 constituency falling the correct way. Still, you can't see it being that far wrong surely.

The exit poll got close last time out...

The normal polls got it all wrong.

Mellsblue wrote:

Stom wrote:

jared_7 wrote:I still think in an exit poll people are more likely to say they didn't vote Conservative if they did, than the other way around.



That'll make for a boring thread. More baseless speculation and arguments, please.

The exit polls have been quite reliable recently, though...

It will be interesting, then. When I get up around 6 UK time, it'll be very interesting to see exactly where we are with seats declared.

Except for the one prior to this.......

BBC repeatedly saying that this is based on a lot of 50/50 constituency falling the correct way. Still, you can't see it being that far wrong surely.

Oh, and there are some bloody tight constituencies. And on this basis, there should be a criminal investigation into Newcastle under Lyme, that was pretty disgraceful...

Reports of up to 1,000s of overseas voters unable to vote, too. And on average we're a left leaning bunch.

Stom wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Stom wrote:
The exit polls have been quite reliable recently, though...

It will be interesting, then. When I get up around 6 UK time, it'll be very interesting to see exactly where we are with seats declared.

Except for the one prior to this.......

BBC repeatedly saying that this is based on a lot of 50/50 constituency falling the correct way. Still, you can't see it being that far wrong surely.

The exit poll got close last time out...

The normal polls got it all wrong.

Not for the referendum which was the last exit poll prior to this.

Stom wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Stom wrote:
The exit polls have been quite reliable recently, though...

It will be interesting, then. When I get up around 6 UK time, it'll be very interesting to see exactly where we are with seats declared.

Except for the one prior to this.......

BBC repeatedly saying that this is based on a lot of 50/50 constituency falling the correct way. Still, you can't see it being that far wrong surely.

Oh, and there are some bloody tight constituencies. And on this basis, there should be a criminal investigation into Newcastle under Lyme, that was pretty disgraceful...

Reports of up to 1,000s of overseas voters unable to vote, too. And on average we're a left leaning bunch.

The BBC mean that in the exit poll there are a lot of 50/50 seats that if they've got wrong could radically alter the numbers.

Mellsblue wrote:

Stom wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: Except for the one prior to this.......

BBC repeatedly saying that this is based on a lot of 50/50 constituency falling the correct way. Still, you can't see it being that far wrong surely.

Oh, and there are some bloody tight constituencies. And on this basis, there should be a criminal investigation into Newcastle under Lyme, that was pretty disgraceful...

Reports of up to 1,000s of overseas voters unable to vote, too. And on average we're a left leaning bunch.

The BBC mean that in the exit poll there are a lot of 50/50 seats that if they've got wrong could radically alter the numbers.

Sure. And those seats are being decided on 100s of votes, not 1,000s...So any voter who cannot vote is a problem. The constituency I mentioned had a majority of just 650. If more than 100 students were incorrectly turned away from voting because of an out of date form...well...

Sandydragon wrote:

Zhivago wrote:Exit poll = hung parliament

I'll start thinking about sandy's new avatar...

Well know in a few hours time, what will be will be.

I'll laugh if both parties have failed. Amusing so far with Tories declaring the polls false, and Labour declaring a third loss in a row a win

Digby wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Zhivago wrote:Exit poll = hung parliament

I'll start thinking about sandy's new avatar...

Well know in a few hours time, what will be will be.

I'll laugh if both parties have failed. Amusing so far with Tories declaring the polls false, and Labour declaring a third loss in a row a win

The first two declarations think the exit poll false too.
Yep, Labour claiming this as a 'victory' is hilarious.

Doing a lot better than expected is certainly a form of victory, no?

Peat wrote:Doing a lot better than expected is certainly a form of victory, no?

Especially if it forces a hung parliament when predictions were a 100-120 seat conservative victory.

It'd be like Wales forcing a draw against the All Blacks.

Which Tyler wrote:

Peat wrote:Doing a lot better than expected is certainly a form of victory, no?

Especially if it forces a hung parliament when predictions were a 100-120 seat conservative victory.

It'd be like Wales forcing a draw against the All Blacks

A moral victory then...or 'if it wasn't for the ref' victory?

WaspInWales wrote:

Which Tyler wrote:

Peat wrote:Doing a lot better than expected is certainly a form of victory, no?

Especially if it forces a hung parliament when predictions were a 100-120 seat conservative victory.

It'd be like Wales forcing a draw against the All Blacks

A moral victory then...or 'if it wasn't for the ref' victory?

Oh, moral victory for shewer.

Oh, and this ETA: https://mobile.twitter.com/LostUKIPdeposit

Which Tyler wrote:

WaspInWales wrote:

Which Tyler wrote: Especially if it forces a hung parliament when predictions were a 100-120 seat conservative victory.

It'd be like Wales forcing a draw against the All Blacks

A moral victory then...or 'if it wasn't for the ref' victory?

Oh, moral victory for shewer.

Oh, and this ETA: https://mobile.twitter.com/LostUKIPdeposit

That may well be the best use of Twitter...ever.

Stom wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Stom wrote:
The exit polls have been quite reliable recently, though...

It will be interesting, then. When I get up around 6 UK time, it'll be very interesting to see exactly where we are with seats declared.

Except for the one prior to this.......

BBC repeatedly saying that this is based on a lot of 50/50 constituency falling the correct way. Still, you can't see it being that far wrong surely.

The exit poll got close last time out...

The normal polls got it all wrong.

Some were reasonably close.

So we will have a Tory DUP coalition of sorts I expect. Brexit negotiations will be interesting as every Tory mp will see an opportunity to make their voice heard. With that range of opinion, i expect may will need some labour support at some point.

Interesting that the Tory vote is actually up on last time (% wise), I can't remember the last time a sitting government managed that and lost seats. Th ecollapse of ukip is having a huge impact.

Peat wrote:Doing a lot better than expected is certainly a form of victory, no?

I'd say no as they should never have had such low expectations. To label them winners would be like calling Neil Kinnock a winner, and nobody does that.

Either of our major parties should be winning a 3rd election to get back into government, so Labour's results today are akin to the Tories under Michael Howard, and again nobody calls him a winner, though people tend to be very happy to call him a loser

Digby wrote:

Peat wrote:Doing a lot better than expected is certainly a form of victory, no?

I'd say no as they should never have had such low expectations. To label them winners would be like calling Neil Kinnock a winner, and nobody does that.

Either of our major parties should be winning a 3rd election to get back into government, so Labour's results today are akin to the Tories under Michael Howard, and again nobody calls him a winner, though people tend to be very happy to call him a loser

You on drugs?

Tory called snap election on the back of huge poll numbers. Corbyn being written off by pretty much every person in Britain. Result, hung parliament. To suggest that this is not a victory for Labour and Corbyn in particular is just churlish.

canta_brian wrote:

Digby wrote:

Peat wrote:Doing a lot better than expected is certainly a form of victory, no?

I'd say no as they should never have had such low expectations. To label them winners would be like calling Neil Kinnock a winner, and nobody does that.

Either of our major parties should be winning a 3rd election to get back into government, so Labour's results today are akin to the Tories under Michael Howard, and again nobody calls him a winner, though people tend to be very happy to call him a loser

You on drugs?

Tory called snap election on the back of huge poll numbers. Corbyn being written off by pretty much every person in Britain. Result, hung parliament. To suggest that this is not a victory for Labour and Corbyn in particular is just churlish.

It's amazing what Corbin achieved in such a short time, finally getting some unfiltered press. The real losers are the Blairites who jumped ship because he was "unelectable", imagine what could have been achieved if they hadn't been squabbling for the last 2 years?

BBC correspondent saying a handful of Labour MPs who appeared on their coverage had prewritten speeches prepared to rubbish Corbyn and call for his resignation, again. Apparently had to rush to prepare something nice to say