gaza conflict

[Puja]

Israel has committed genocide in Gaza, concludes UN commission of inquiry - latest updates

Finding comes as Israel’s defence minister says ‘Gaza is burning’ amid escalation in bombardment

No doubt the UK government is preparing their sternest possible finger-wagging, now that an independent commission has confirmed Israel is committing crimes against humanity. I don't think Israel are quite prepared for the serious expressions that our government ministers will adopt, nor the sober and grave tones of voice.

Netanyahu, however, claims that Israel is only being painted as the bad guys because of high levels of Muslim immigration into Western Europe, which have resulted in governments being bullied into supporting Palestine by the sheer political force of that population (6% in UK, 10% in France, 6% in Germany, 2% in Ireland).

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[Son of Mathonwy]

Israel has committed genocide in Gaza, concludes UN commission of inquiry - latest updates

Finding comes as Israel’s defence minister says ‘Gaza is burning’ amid escalation in bombardment

The UK will ignore this.

Starmer has tame lawyers who will say what he wants them to say.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... un-inquiry

Starmer must keep up the pretence that there is no genocide otherwise they would be legally obliged to do things. So however 'intolerable' the situation in Gaza is, Starmer will continue to tolerate it. Because he just means it's intolerable for the Gazans.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Decades late, finally the UK does the right thing (symbolically at least) and recognises Palestine.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... dent-state

Unfortunately we continue to apply a veto over the government it chooses for itself. Should it elect Hamas as its government, what will we do? Presumably refuse to speak to the Palestinian government. Still dancing to the Israeli tune.

[morepork]

Embrace Jesus and prioritize white folk. Just fuck this cunt.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... -authority

[Son of Mathonwy]

Embrace Jesus and prioritize white folk. Just fuck this cunt.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... -authority

I despise that man.

Having said that, this plan is just another distraction. Israel has no intention of transitioning Gaza back to Palestinian control. They are cleansing it of its population. They have no intention of allowing a Palestinian state to exist.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Starmer's certainly picked the right woman for home secretary. Trying to live up to Patel and Braverman's great example, Mahmood calls pro-Palestine protesters un-British and says we shouldn't protest 65,000 Palestinian deaths because 2 British Jews have been (tragically) killed.

Yet again a politician shows themself to be anti-Jewish by conflating Jews with Israel. The protesters are against what Israel is doing, not British Jews. We can see the difference. British Jews can see the difference. Why can't our government see?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... un-british

[paddy no 11]

Starmer's certainly picked the right woman for home secretary. Trying to live up to Patel and Braverman's great example, Mahmood calls pro-Palestine protesters un-British and says we shouldn't protest 65,000 Palestinian deaths because 2 British Jews have been (tragically) killed.

Yet again a politician shows themself to be anti-Jewish by conflating Jews with Israel. The protesters are against what Israel is doing, not British Jews. We can see the difference. British Jews can see the difference. Why can't our government see?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... un-british

They want it that you can't sympatise with both, which is what 99% of people think. Now anyone who marches Saturday can be demonised. This luke akehurst seems a piece of work

[Son of Mathonwy]

Starmer's certainly picked the right woman for home secretary. Trying to live up to Patel and Braverman's great example, Mahmood calls pro-Palestine protesters un-British and says we shouldn't protest 65,000 Palestinian deaths because 2 British Jews have been (tragically) killed.

Yet again a politician shows themself to be anti-Jewish by conflating Jews with Israel. The protesters are against what Israel is doing, not British Jews. We can see the difference. British Jews can see the difference. Why can't our government see?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... un-british

They want it that you can't sympatise with both, which is what 99% of people think. Now anyone who marches Saturday can be demonised. This luke akehurst seems a piece of work

Yeah, Akehurst is a piece of work. Watch him turn dangerously red when cornered by Owen Jones at the conference (before Jones got banned from the conference). Why do people like that support Israel so hard?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Akehurst

[Son of Mathonwy]

Mahmood's looking to criminalize protest further. Almost like she's aiming at the sort of protests you might see for a long running atrocity. They say that these powers will be dangerous in the hands of Reform but I'm thinking Labour will show them how to do it.

[quote]Home Office sources have suggested that police would gain new powers to prevent protests if they take place at the same site on several occasions and cause repeated disorder. Organisers could be told to hold the event elsewhere, limit numbers and to set time limits.

The changes will be made by amending sections 12 and 14 of the Public Order Act of 1986, under which anyone breaching conditions set by police faces up to six months in jail, an unlimited fine, or both.[/quote]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... ther-curbs


As an aside, I do think it's unnecessarily divisive to choose October 7th as a day to protest Gaza. But it's not un-British (whatever that means) and they are within their rights to do it.

[paddy no 11]

The Israelis getting there last few murders in because they need a 24hrs after agreement to end the war to end the war

An end to violence is welcome, the interview with the Israeli negotiator at the end of c4 news was staggering. I was relieved that he thought phase 2 had a chance. My god he fairly bussed biden, about the worst bussing I've ever seen

[Son of Mathonwy]

The Israelis getting there last few murders in because they need a 24hrs after agreement to end the war to end the war

An end to violence is welcome, the interview with the Israeli negotiator at the end of c4 news was staggering. I was relieved that he thought phase 2 had a chance. My god he fairly bussed biden, about the worst bussing I've ever seen

Yeah it'll take a long time for the order to stop indiscriminately killing Palestinians to get through to the troops on the ground, and the air, and the drone controllers, the tank crews, the operators of massive robot demolition bombs. Could take weeks to break such an ingrained habit, I imagine. And even then, we'll probably be looking at a reduction to an acceptable level of a few a day like in the last ceasefire, because IDF.

[morepork]

Tony Blair and Jared Kushner. This wasn’t a diplomatic exercise. It was a fucking board meeting. Fuck these people.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Getting ready for the march. Maybe the killing's over, maybe not. The Israelis could start it up anytime, like they did earlier in the year. No doubt they will continue in the West Bank, probably accelerate things there I should think. Whatever, there's still plenty of reason to march. It'll be good to show the far right what a big crowd looks like, even if we get ignored by the news.

[paddy no 11]

Getting ready for the march. Maybe the killing's over, maybe not. The Israelis could start it up anytime, like they did earlier in the year. No doubt they will continue in the West Bank, probably accelerate things there I should think. Whatever, there's still plenty of reason to march. It'll be good to show the far right what a big crowd looks like, even if we get ignored by the news.

Like 110k far right wankers turn up in London it's wall to wall coverage. 1.25million in Amsterdam protesting genocide and it doesn't get coverage not to be all conspiratorial but we're fed shit by the media

[Son of Mathonwy]

Getting ready for the march. Maybe the killing's over, maybe not. The Israelis could start it up anytime, like they did earlier in the year. No doubt they will continue in the West Bank, probably accelerate things there I should think. Whatever, there's still plenty of reason to march. It'll be good to show the far right what a big crowd looks like, even if we get ignored by the news.

Like 110k far right wankers turn up in London it's wall to wall coverage. 1.25million in Amsterdam protesting genocide and it doesn't get coverage not to be all conspiratorial but we're fed shit by the media

Yeah, no helicopters showing shots of this one from the sky. It was very big - we were queuing for 10 minutes to get out of Embankment station. When I got to the end there were still people joining the march at Embankment. Sympathetic press say 600,000 but C4 news and the BBC just talk about tens of thousands. I reckon C4 only gave it the coverage they did because the miniscule counter-protest (being generous, I'd say 100 people at most) made trouble and a few got arrested. No doubt the government will want to find any excuse to shut us down despite it being totally peaceful and containing many anti-genocide Jews. The police were very chilled too - they know we're not going to smash things up.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hund ... ting-peace

[Puja]

35 Palestinians killed today. More of a cease-fire-ish.

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[Son of Mathonwy]

35 Palestinians killed today. More of a cease-fire-ish.

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Like the last one.

Imagine if Hamas had done the eye for an eye thing and killed a hostage for every Palestinian killed after the start of the ceasefire. Imagine the horror of all world leaders in contrast to the total absence of reaction to Palestinian deaths. Does anything say more about the difference in value of an Israeli life vs a Palestinian?

This continued killing is only possible with a psychopathic army acting with total impunity.

I think the ceasefire only has a chance of lasting if Natanyahu goes. Trump doesn't give a shit about Palestinians - if he did, the IDF would have been under strict orders that a ceasefire means a ceasefire. But then if he did give a shit we wouldn't be where we are today: 9 months he's armed them to continue the genocide he could have stopped on his first day.

[Son of Mathonwy]

How do you make a drone strike in a ceasefire? And the West pretend that it isn't happening.

Murderers.

[Sandydragon]

35 Palestinians killed today. More of a cease-fire-ish.

Puja

Does that include the Palestinians killed by Hamas?

[Puja]

35 Palestinians killed today. More of a cease-fire-ish.

Puja

Does that include the Palestinians killed by Hamas?

Nope - just the ones killed by the IDF. Tragedies all around. Don't worry though, Tony Blair is coming to fix it!

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[Which Tyler]

‘Locked up for 24 years’: release of Palestinian prisoners and detainees sparks joy and sorrow

Nearly 2,000 people, including about 1,700 seized from Gaza and held without charge, set free from Israeli jails

[Puja]

‘Locked up for 24 years’: release of Palestinian prisoners and detainees sparks joy and sorrow

Nearly 2,000 people, including about 1,700 seized from Gaza and held without charge, set free from Israeli jails

Your link is broken, Which - have fixed it in the above quote. You need an https:// in there, otherwise it thinks you're trying to link to something inside RR.

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[Sandydragon]

35 Palestinians killed today. More of a cease-fire-ish.

Puja

Does that include the Palestinians killed by Hamas?

Nope - just the ones killed by the IDF. Tragedies all around. Don't worry though, Tony Blair is coming to fix it!

Puja

Best add them to your total then. Executing opposition in the street never looks good.

I hope you would put the opportunity for a cease fire ahead of your dislike for Trump and Blair.

[paddy no 11]

Does that include the Palestinians killed by Hamas?

Nope - just the ones killed by the IDF. Tragedies all around. Don't worry though, Tony Blair is coming to fix it!

Puja

Best add them to your total then. Executing opposition in the street never looks good.

I hope you would put the opportunity for a cease fire ahead of your dislike for Trump and Blair.

Sandy have you made any comments on israels genocide? I can't recall one, maybe there is

[Puja]

Does that include the Palestinians killed by Hamas?

Nope - just the ones killed by the IDF. Tragedies all around. Don't worry though, Tony Blair is coming to fix it!

Puja

Best add them to your total then. Executing opposition in the street never looks good.

I hope you would put the opportunity for a cease fire ahead of your dislike for Trump and Blair.

I'm sorry, are you somehow under the impression that I am... in favour of Hamas? Or think they're the good guys here? It is well-known that they are horrible murdering authoritarian terrorist fuckers - why are you presenting that fact to me like it's relevant to the IDF continuing to kill people after the cease fire? This isn't a team sport where being anti-genocide means pro-terrorism - I am capable of wanting several different types of people to stop murdering innocents at the same time.

A ceasefire is, of course, much better than an illegal starvation of civilians and unrestricted bombings, but it's not an end state, especially given how the last ceasefire abruptly and unilaterally ended. The area needs a proper neutral UN peacekeeping force and actual diplomacy, not noted friends of Bibi: President "I could build a casino there" Trump and Tony "I've got a good history of nation-building in the Middle East" Blair.

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