RugbyRebels

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:
It'll take some months, maybe years, maybe never.

Yes, apols, I'm being a little unthinking given the real immediate impact for you.

I wonder what I will spit when the feathers run out.

It's all good, what client doesn't want to hear you might be able to provide a service depending on the outcome of 12-36 months of uncertainty.

kk67 wrote:I can't be arsed reading 20 pages,.....has anyone posted the thoughts of John Llewellyn, former OECD chief economist...?.

jared_7 wrote:http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/28/butcher-h ... t-5971947/

Someone needs to step up and take control, this ship is sinking. Fast.

jared_7 wrote:http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/28/butcher-h ... t-5971947/

Someone needs to step up and take control, this ship is sinking. Fast.

A nineteenth century contempt for countries and peoples, depending on their degree of colonial usefulness, remains a centrepiece of modern “globalisation”, with its perverse socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor: its freedom for capital and denial of freedom to labour; its perfidious politicians and politicised civil servants.

All this has now come home to Europe, enriching the likes of Tony Blair and impoverishing and disempowering millions. On 23 June, the British said no more.

The most effective propagandists of the “European ideal” have not been the far right, but an insufferably patrician class for whom metropolitan London is the United Kingdom. Its leading members see themselves as liberal, enlightened, cultivated tribunes of the 21st century zeitgeist, even “cool”. What they really are is a bourgeoisie with insatiable consumerist tastes and ancient instincts of their own superiority. In their house paper, the Guardian, they have gloated, day after day, at those who would even consider the EU profoundly undemocratic, a source of social injustice and a virulent extremism known as “neoliberalism”.

On the morning after the vote, a BBC radio reporter welcomed politicians to his studio as old chums. “Well,” he said to “Lord” Peter Mandelson, the disgraced architect of Blairism, “why do these people want it so badly?” The “these people” are the majority of Britons.

The wealthy war criminal Tony Blair remains a hero of the Mandelson “European” class, though few will say so these days.

Len wrote:

jared_7 wrote:http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/28/butcher-h ... t-5971947/

Someone needs to step up and take control, this ship is sinking. Fast.

Too early to draw comparisons between present day Britain and 1930s Germany? They even hosted the Olympics recently.

Did Farage just paint a huge target on the British economy today? You need us more than we need you I think is the phrase he used. A challenge if ever I heard one. First thing he said was who is laughing now? Great. People not only voted on the back of lies but also so he could get personal vindication against a few Europeans that laughed at him 17 years ago. Guy is a weapons grade bellend. Lucklily I think the Europeans are aware of this

UGagain wrote:

Len wrote:

jared_7 wrote:http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/28/butcher-h ... t-5971947/

Someone needs to step up and take control, this ship is sinking. Fast.

Too early to draw comparisons between present day Britain and 1930s Germany? They even hosted the Olympics recently.

Did Farage just paint a huge target on the British economy today? You need us more than we need you I think is the phrase he used. A challenge if ever I heard one. First thing he said was who is laughing now? Great. People not only voted on the back of lies but also so he could get personal vindication against a few Europeans that laughed at him 17 years ago. Guy is a weapons grade bellend. Lucklily I think the Europeans are aware of this

The leavers certainly spread some fanciful economic forecasting. But they were outgunned be the remainers.

Cameron and Osborne both made statements that UK pensions were at risk if the UK left the EU.

That's a flat out lie.

How does that fit into your theory?

The vast majority outright lying in economic terms came from the remain camp. They wheeled out every neoliberal institution on the face of the planet to talk gobbledegook.

UGagain wrote:

Len wrote:

jared_7 wrote:http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/28/butcher-h ... t-5971947/

Someone needs to step up and take control, this ship is sinking. Fast.

Too early to draw comparisons between present day Britain and 1930s Germany? They even hosted the Olympics recently.

Did Farage just paint a huge target on the British economy today? You need us more than we need you I think is the phrase he used. A challenge if ever I heard one. First thing he said was who is laughing now? Great. People not only voted on the back of lies but also so he could get personal vindication against a few Europeans that laughed at him 17 years ago. Guy is a weapons grade bellend. Lucklily I think the Europeans are aware of this

The leavers certainly spread some fanciful economic forecasting. But they were outgunned be the remainers.

Cameron and Osborne both made statements that UK pensions were at risk if the UK left the EU.

That's a flat out lie.

How does that fit into your theory?

The vast majority outright lying in economic terms came from the remain camp. They wheeled out every neoliberal institution on the face of the planet to talk gobbledegook.

UGagain wrote:

Len wrote:

jared_7 wrote:http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/28/butcher-h ... t-5971947/

Someone needs to step up and take control, this ship is sinking. Fast.

Too early to draw comparisons between present day Britain and 1930s Germany? They even hosted the Olympics recently.

Did Farage just paint a huge target on the British economy today? You need us more than we need you I think is the phrase he used. A challenge if ever I heard one. First thing he said was who is laughing now? Great. People not only voted on the back of lies but also so he could get personal vindication against a few Europeans that laughed at him 17 years ago. Guy is a weapons grade bellend. Lucklily I think the Europeans are aware of this

The leavers certainly spread some fanciful economic forecasting. But they were outgunned be the remainers.

Cameron and Osborne both made statements that UK pensions were at risk if the UK left the EU.

That's a flat out lie.

How does that fit into your theory?

The vast majority outright lying in economic terms came from the remain camp. They wheeled out every neoliberal institution on the face of the planet to talk gobbledegook.

Len wrote:

UGagain wrote:

Len wrote:
Too early to draw comparisons between present day Britain and 1930s Germany? They even hosted the Olympics recently.

Did Farage just paint a huge target on the British economy today? You need us more than we need you I think is the phrase he used. A challenge if ever I heard one. First thing he said was who is laughing now? Great. People not only voted on the back of lies but also so he could get personal vindication against a few Europeans that laughed at him 17 years ago. Guy is a weapons grade bellend. Lucklily I think the Europeans are aware of this

The leavers certainly spread some fanciful economic forecasting. But they were outgunned be the remainers.

Cameron and Osborne both made statements that UK pensions were at risk if the UK left the EU.

That's a flat out lie.

How does that fit into your theory?

The vast majority outright lying in economic terms came from the remain camp. They wheeled out every neoliberal institution on the face of the planet to talk gobbledegook.

What is my theory? Politicians lie. If the morons with a dislike for people from other backgrounds hadn't voted would leave have topped the polls?

We know you don't like Xenophobes. So how does it sit with you how the Britons are treating migrants on the back of this referendum? I'm more worried about the civil state of the UK now.

Heres what a guy I considered a mate just posted in FB, hes British

Len wrote:

UGagain wrote:

Len wrote:
Too early to draw comparisons between present day Britain and 1930s Germany? They even hosted the Olympics recently.

Did Farage just paint a huge target on the British economy today? You need us more than we need you I think is the phrase he used. A challenge if ever I heard one. First thing he said was who is laughing now? Great. People not only voted on the back of lies but also so he could get personal vindication against a few Europeans that laughed at him 17 years ago. Guy is a weapons grade bellend. Lucklily I think the Europeans are aware of this

The leavers certainly spread some fanciful economic forecasting. But they were outgunned be the remainers.

Cameron and Osborne both made statements that UK pensions were at risk if the UK left the EU.

That's a flat out lie.

How does that fit into your theory?

The vast majority outright lying in economic terms came from the remain camp. They wheeled out every neoliberal institution on the face of the planet to talk gobbledegook.

What is my theory? Politicians lie. If the morons with a dislike for people from other backgrounds hadn't voted would leave have topped the polls?
We know you don't like Xenophobes. So how does it sit with you how the Britons are treating migrants on the back of this referendum? I'm more worried about the civil state of the UK now.

Heres what a guy I considered a mate just posted in FB, hes British

UGagain wrote:It did not seem to occur to …[those who claimed it was the “equivalent of the Visigoths’ sacking of Rome”] … that the decision to leave the EU was the product of a vote in which a majority of his fellow-citizens had simply, as part of their democratic right, acted on a view, or views, on a subject of interest to the whole community, that were just as valid as, but different from, his own. The barbarians whom he castigated were not invaders from elsewhere; they were Britons like him, enjoying the same right as he had to consider the issues and express a view. It is what is called democracy.

The fury and hatred aroused by the discovery that there was actually a majority that disagreed with those who thought that they alone were capable of reaching the right and proper decision – and the vitriol with which those sentiments are expressed – provides us with an insight into the mentality of many of those who simply could not believe that any view other than theirs was possible.

Bryan Gould

Indeed.

jared_7 wrote:

UGagain wrote:

Len wrote:
Too early to draw comparisons between present day Britain and 1930s Germany? They even hosted the Olympics recently.

Did Farage just paint a huge target on the British economy today? You need us more than we need you I think is the phrase he used. A challenge if ever I heard one. First thing he said was who is laughing now? Great. People not only voted on the back of lies but also so he could get personal vindication against a few Europeans that laughed at him 17 years ago. Guy is a weapons grade bellend. Lucklily I think the Europeans are aware of this

The leavers certainly spread some fanciful economic forecasting. But they were outgunned be the remainers.

Cameron and Osborne both made statements that UK pensions were at risk if the UK left the EU.

That's a flat out lie.

How does that fit into your theory?

The vast majority outright lying in economic terms came from the remain camp. They wheeled out every neoliberal institution on the face of the planet to talk gobbledegook.

I completely agree with your economics in theory. But I'd still be interested to know how you think Gove, Johnson and Farage are going to manage this transition and whether you genuinely think they have the UKs interests at heart. They are already talking about spending cuts and tax hikes (likely for the lower and middle classes) - I'm pretty sure that's not what you had in mind.

I also think you can't ignore why the majority voted, and it wasn't sovereignty. That's fine, but someone needs to put a lid on this "blame immigrants" thing ASAP because the stuff you are seeing is just a the tip of the iceberg. As I've previously mentioned, I know a number of people close to me who have copped it. It's not media spin.

UGagain wrote:

jared_7 wrote:

UGagain wrote:
The leavers certainly spread some fanciful economic forecasting. But they were outgunned be the remainers.

Cameron and Osborne both made statements that UK pensions were at risk if the UK left the EU.

That's a flat out lie.

How does that fit into your theory?

The vast majority outright lying in economic terms came from the remain camp. They wheeled out every neoliberal institution on the face of the planet to talk gobbledegook.

I completely agree with your economics in theory. But I'd still be interested to know how you think Gove, Johnson and Farage are going to manage this transition and whether you genuinely think they have the UKs interests at heart. They are already talking about spending cuts and tax hikes (likely for the lower and middle classes) - I'm pretty sure that's not what you had in mind.

I also think you can't ignore why the majority voted, and it wasn't sovereignty. That's fine, but someone needs to put a lid on this "blame immigrants" thing ASAP because the stuff you are seeing is just a the tip of the iceberg. As I've previously mentioned, I know a number of people close to me who have copped it. It's not media spin.

I'm not interested in Gove, Johnson and Farage in the slightest. They are irrelevant personalities.

I don't profess to be able to make such cast iron assertions.

Leaving the EU is a prerequisite for getting rid of neoliberal rule. It doesn't guarantee it.

Staying in the EU guarantees neoliberal rule.

There is a task for the progressive left to take the opportunity presented.

Which Tyler wrote:UKIP doing their best to heal the post-referrendum rift int he country: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... nges-ahead

In a triumphant speech urging Ukip to take on a new role monitoring the government’s willingness to deliver full Brexit, Hamilton said: “Any attempt to backslide on what the people voted for courts, I think, the possibility of armed revolution in this country.”

Banquo wrote:So all the fire lighters have decided they don't want to be responsible for sorting out the shyte. Nice.

Sandydragon wrote:

Banquo wrote:So all the fire lighters have decided they don't want to be responsible for sorting out the shyte. Nice.

Sure looks that way. Although May was my choice for the leadership from since Cameron's resignation.