Knee Jerk Reaction & Team for France

[septic 9]

Dont really think you can judge the maul defence, it was clearly a strategy to keep men out to cover the missing winger, unfortunately wales saw what was happening and used it to their advantage,

for me you fix the problem that's in front of you and not worry about the next thing

I thought our maul defence was a problem before we lost Fagerson.

it was. As was maul offence

[Tobylerone]

Postponement for illness..?
Eh..?

[AL.]

So, as we are about to throw down with the rugby authorities over Fagerson's extra week will we a) Get to play on Sunday b) Get moved to say a Tuesday morning which inconveniences the international team and both clubs just because we stuck our heads above the parapet and inconvenienced the authorities?

[septic 9]

So, as we are about to throw down with the rugby authorities over Fagerson's extra week will we a) Get to play on Sunday b) Get moved to say a Tuesday morning which inconveniences the international team and both clubs just because we stuck our heads above the parapet and inconvenienced the authorities?

the two issues are separate.

Suggestions that the French want the game oved to next Saturday. Slight problem that we have exercised our right to call up players this week and might not get them next week; meanwhile French have a full league fixture list next week (not this week I think) and their clubs created a stooshie in the autumn over player release. Potentially if postponed a week they could have all their players back and we would lose all non Scotland based players

Any semi competent organisation might, just might have a clear and transparent contingency plan for this given we've had a pandemic for a year now and so many games lost

[stevedog1980]

I just feel this has to be cancelled, rugby is only going ahead at the moment because of the protocols that have been put in place. If teams aren't abiding to these protocols (us included) and someone falls foul of it, there has to be some sort of punishment. Pushing the game back doesn't seem right, how many players need to get ill before it's taken seriously??

[Mikey Brown]

Yeah I’m definitely feeling like it’s going to be deja vu when we try and finish the 6 nations off in the Autumn this year too.

[AL.]

So, as we are about to throw down with the rugby authorities over Fagerson's extra week will we a) Get to play on Sunday b) Get moved to say a Tuesday morning which inconveniences the international team and both clubs just because we stuck our heads above the parapet and inconvenienced the authorities?

the two issues are separate.

Suggestions that the French want the game oved to next Saturday. Slight problem that we have exercised our right to call up players this week and might not get them next week; meanwhile French have a full league fixture list next week (not this week I think) and their clubs created a stooshie in the autumn over player release. Potentially if postponed a week they could have all their players back and we would lose all non Scotland based players

Any semi competent organisation might, just might have a clear and transparent contingency plan for this given we've had a pandemic for a year now and so many games lost

Yup, I know they are separate issues thanks.

My inference (and pause for thought) was could/would they punish us for one with the other, given our perceived inability to toe the line with rugby authorities. It seems a good opportunity for them to make a point by making an example of us through inconvenience. Just a thought I had... I have seen nothing to suggest this will actually happen other than my perception we seem to have been hard done by on occasion and we are lining ourselves up for more by sticking it to the man and complaining.

[septic 9]

Yup, I know they are separate issues thanks.

My inference (and pause for thought) was could/would they punish us for one with the other, given our perceived inability to toe the line with rugby authorities. It seems a good opportunity for them to make a point by making an example of us through inconvenience. Just a thought I had... I have seen nothing to suggest this will actually happen other than my perception we seem to have been hard done by on occasion and we are lining ourselves up for more by sticking it to the man and complaining.

Fagerson appeal was heard yesterday, no outcome announced. Expect the game to be given the go ahead fairly soon today, then we will hear what games Fagerson has been suspended for. Had//if the game been postponed/cancelled which games could have been a tad problematic

[Donny osmond]

Believe it's just been announced the game is on

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[francoisfou]

I’m looking forward to what will probably be a good game. Wayne Barnes is the ref and even though we’re missing a few players, I expect to win by a margin of about 15.

[whatisthejava]

I’m looking forward to what will probably be a good game. Wayne Barnes is the ref and even though we’re missing a few players, I expect to win by a margin of about 15.

I reckon you win but I don't think by that margin

and it could be a tombolla, guys not used to that game, GS on the line, could be a punch thrown

or Barnes just Barnes us out the game

[stevedog1980]

Galthie and Dupont were at at awards do a day or so after Ireland game. There are pics out there for anyone who wants to find them, standing together, no masks, glorying in their award

If this is true then I think France should have to forfeit the game. I expect to see a great game at the weekend but the penalty for abusing the COVID protocols can't simply be that if a player (or coach) catches COVID they aren't available. If there have been violations that lead to the virus being in camp, there should have to be a punishment to dissuade others of risking it more often

[Mr Mwenda]

Galthie and Dupont were at at awards do a day or so after Ireland game. There are pics out there for anyone who wants to find them, standing together, no masks, glorying in their award

If this is true then I think France should have to forfeit the game. I expect to see a great game at the weekend but the penalty for abusing the COVID protocols can't simply be that if a player (or coach) catches COVID they aren't available. If there have been violations that lead to the virus being in camp, there should have to be a punishment to dissuade others of risking it more often

This is what I thought. If one team isn't taking covid seriously they have an advantage being able to train for longer periods.

[septic 9]

Galthie and Dupont were at at awards do a day or so after Ireland game. There are pics out there for anyone who wants to find them, standing together, no masks, glorying in their award

If this is true then I think France should have to forfeit the game. I expect to see a great game at the weekend but the penalty for abusing the COVID protocols can't simply be that if a player (or coach) catches COVID they aren't available. If there have been violations that lead to the virus being in camp, there should have to be a punishment to dissuade others of risking it more often

its true alright. French rugby media are having a few digs and there are suggestion of other protocol breaches. Midi Olympique or Rugbyrama, and goodle translate of your French isn't up to it

[stevedog1980]

Galthie and Dupont were at at awards do a day or so after Ireland game. There are pics out there for anyone who wants to find them, standing together, no masks, glorying in their award

If this is true then I think France should have to forfeit the game. I expect to see a great game at the weekend but the penalty for abusing the COVID protocols can't simply be that if a player (or coach) catches COVID they aren't available. If there have been violations that lead to the virus being in camp, there should have to be a punishment to dissuade others of risking it more often

This is what I thought. If one team isn't taking covid seriously they have an advantage being able to train for longer periods.

Regardless of any advantage if it’s postponed or disadvantage if it isn’t due to players being unavailable. Taking the rugby out of the situation, it’s a global pandemic. The rules are in place as safeguards for players health and well-being. If there are teams that aren’t living up to that requirement they need to be punished until they are. Yellow card this time round with a forfeit and and hint of another issue and they should be thrown out of the tournament entirely

[morepork]

So the plan is to mingle at close quarters with a dozen or so positive individuals then fly that shit home?

Sound.

[whatisthejava]

So the plan is to mingle at close quarters with a dozen or so positive individuals then fly that shit home?

Sound.

I reckon they will be covid testing every player once or twice a day up till Sunday to confirm it hasn't spread.

I reckon Scotland will have good procedures and will prob self isolate the entire team asap until they get a couple of tests done

[whatisthejava]

I know it wasnt politically viable but giving 50 - 70 vaccines to key persons at each union at the start of training would have been a great idea

A donation of a million towards 3rd world vaccines would have given them political cover

[whatisthejava]

And we are off again

Mark Palmer just reported another positive case

Reckon it will end in a forfeit as forcing Scotland to play next week without key players will send Dodson straight to court to argue the legalities of it

If they don't play a week on Sunday there is literally no other time to play
And you have to consider will the top 14 be ok with their top players playing 3 hard games in a row

Scotland Wales England would pretty much mean players would need rested, at least Scotland have Italy, while not as physical without key personnel could be a potential banana skin

[Which Tyler]

And we are off again

Mark Palmer just reported another positive case

Reckon it will end in a forfeit as forcing Scotland to play next week without key players will send Dodson straight to court to argue the legalities of it

If they don't play a week on Sunday there is literally no other time to play
And you have to consider will the top 14 be ok with their top players playing 3 hard games in a row

Scotland Wales England would pretty much mean players would need rested, at least Scotland have Italy, while not as physical without key personnel could be a potential banana skin

Can someone please explain this argument for me?
It seems tomme that the claim is that Scotland losing access to 10 players, whilst France loses access to all players, doesn't really benefit France

[Big D]

And we are off again

Mark Palmer just reported another positive case

Reckon it will end in a forfeit as forcing Scotland to play next week without key players will send Dodson straight to court to argue the legalities of it

If they don't play a week on Sunday there is literally no other time to play
And you have to consider will the top 14 be ok with their top players playing 3 hard games in a row

Scotland Wales England would pretty much mean players would need rested, at least Scotland have Italy, while not as physical without key personnel could be a potential banana skin

Can someone please explain this argument for me?
It seems tomme that the claim is that Scotland losing access to 10 players, whilst France loses access to all players, doesn't really benefit France

Why should Scotland any team complying fully and correctly with covid rules be disadvantaged due to France any other side playing fast and loose with the rules? It is irrelevant what side the non compliant team can put out when anyone complying with the rules is disadvantaged. Every sports team has been living with these conditions for long enough to know better.

[stevedog1980]

And we are off again

Mark Palmer just reported another positive case

Reckon it will end in a forfeit as forcing Scotland to play next week without key players will send Dodson straight to court to argue the legalities of it

If they don't play a week on Sunday there is literally no other time to play
And you have to consider will the top 14 be ok with their top players playing 3 hard games in a row

Scotland Wales England would pretty much mean players would need rested, at least Scotland have Italy, while not as physical without key personnel could be a potential banana skin

Can someone please explain this argument for me?
It seems tomme that the claim is that Scotland losing access to 10 players, whilst France loses access to all players, doesn't really benefit France

Why should Scotland any team complying fully and correctly with covid rules be disadvantaged due to France any other side playing fast and loose with the rules? It is irrelevant what side the non compliant team can put out when anyone complying with the rules is disadvantaged. Every sports team has been living with these conditions for long enough to know better.

I'd go a step further and say that non compliance is the sole issue here. Regardless of what team they can put out or when, the non-compliance with the rules should be punished. Player welfare is supposed to be paramount so there should be no thought of rearranging the date, rearranging the available players. Any team that does not comply to the rules for the game to be able to be played safely should be punished swiftly. First breach, 28-0 loss awarded. By the way, that's breach, not positive case. If players and staff are not adhering then it's just good fortune keeping these guys safe. Second breach, expulsion from the tournament

[francoisfou]

Why should Scotland any team complying fully and correctly with covid rules be disadvantaged due to France any other side playing fast and loose with the rules? It is irrelevant what side the non compliant team can put out when anyone complying with the rules is disadvantaged. Every sports team has been living with these conditions for long enough to know better.

You're right. Whoever it was in the French squad who disrespected the rules clearly laid down ought to be thrown out of the squad for the 6N.

[Which Tyler]

Why should Scotland any team complying fully and correctly with covid rules be disadvantaged due to France any other side playing fast and loose with the rules? It is irrelevant what side the non compliant team can put out when anyone complying with the rules is disadvantaged. Every sports team has been living with these conditions for long enough to know better.

I'm aware of all that, it's not the bit I asked for clarification on.

For you, it seems the bit I asked about doesn't matter. I'm asking for clarification on the argument that it does.

[stevedog1980]

Why should Scotland any team complying fully and correctly with covid rules be disadvantaged due to France any other side playing fast and loose with the rules? It is irrelevant what side the non compliant team can put out when anyone complying with the rules is disadvantaged. Every sports team has been living with these conditions for long enough to know better.

I'm aware of all that, it's not the bit I asked for clarification on.

For you, it seems the bit I asked about doesn't matter. I'm asking for clarification on the argument that it does.

I don't think it's a case that France will have an advantage but that Scotland are disadvantaged unfairly.

Presumably, anyone in camp with France this week will be unavailable due to incubation periods and such. So, I assume France would need a new match day 23 for this week or for next week. With that in mind, the France team is a fixed state of affairs. Scotland would potentially lose 11 players if they can't secure their release for the rearranged test.

So, I agree with you, it's not an advantage for France to move the game but it mitigates some of the disadvantage they have brought upon themselves