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Out in Connacht, with an officiating team comprised of entirely IRFU officials, led by Clancy, the finish in the above clip was declared to be a double movement.

I know I am likely to be a tad biased, being an Ospreys fan and all. However, thats taking the piss, shewerly?

davejames78 wrote:

Out in Connacht, with an officiating team comprised of entirely IRFU officials, led by Clancy, the finish in the above clip was declared to be a double movement.

I know I am likely to be a tad biased, being an Ospreys fan and all. However, thats taking the piss, shewerly?

Outrageous. And it really shouldn't be possible for the whole officiating team to be from the same union as one of the teams, particularly the home team.

That decision looked a little suspect didn't it?

Bit hard to tell from that video, but was he actually held in the tackle?

There was no way Davies was held when he hit the deck. He was well within his rights to get up and have a go for the line. Very harsh decision.

Sandydragon wrote:Bit hard to tell from that video, but was he actually held in the tackle?

Yeah, that's the crux of it. It didn't look held to me

If it had been anywhere else on the pitch no-one would have blinked an eye at him getting up - just as they're shouldn't have here.

TibetanBlue wrote:If it had been anywhere else on the pitch no-one would have blinked an eye at him getting up - just as they're shouldn't have here.

I wonder if the boot had of been on the other foot and a Connacht player was the one attacking, whether it would have been disallowed?

Harsh decision there but it's Clancy, what do u expect

whatisthejava wrote:Harsh decision there but it's Clancy, what do u expect

A neutral referee?
Clancy to be banned from this level?

TibetanBlue wrote:

whatisthejava wrote:Harsh decision there but it's Clancy, what do u expect

A neutral referee?
Clancy to be banned from this level?

Is there some sort of refereeing panel that reviews ref's performances?

And if so, is it also Irish?

TibetanBlue wrote:

whatisthejava wrote:Harsh decision there but it's Clancy, what do u expect

A neutral referee?
Clancy to be banned from this level?

They really should forbid a team from having home AND referee advantage. And no way should the whole officiating team ever be of one nationality, unless it's a neutral one.

davejames78 wrote:

TibetanBlue wrote:

whatisthejava wrote:Harsh decision there but it's Clancy, what do u expect

A neutral referee?
Clancy to be banned from this level?

Is there some sort of refereeing panel that reviews ref's performances?

And if so, is it also Irish?

probably

If you are ankle tapped and fall over, are you allowed to get up and carry on?

joshfishkins wrote:If you are ankle tapped and fall over, are you allowed to get up and carry on?

Yes you are as you are not held in the tackle.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

TibetanBlue wrote:

whatisthejava wrote:Harsh decision there but it's Clancy, what do u expect

A neutral referee?
Clancy to be banned from this level?

They really should forbid a team from having home AND referee advantage. And no way should the whole officiating team ever be of one nationality, unless it's a neutral one.

As I understand it that would defeat the whole putpose of the non-neutral referees as it's a cost cutting measure. None of the unions involved is so poor they can't afford neutral referees. It has to change.

Sandydragon wrote:

joshfishkins wrote:If you are ankle tapped and fall over, are you allowed to get up and carry on?

Yes you are as you are not held in the tackle.

Right, because on twatter, they are saying that the tackle is complete as his knee has hit the ground. The Connacht player is not holding him at that point, so good try scored.

They really need to sort the standard and consistency of reffing out.

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

TibetanBlue wrote:
A neutral referee?
Clancy to be banned from this level?

They really should forbid a team from having home AND referee advantage. And no way should the whole officiating team ever be of one nationality, unless it's a neutral one.

As I understand it that would defeat the whole putpose of the non-neutral referees as it's a cost cutting measure. None of the unions involved is so poor they can't afford neutral referees. It has to change.

A few years ago IIRC they seemed to make the effort to have a Welsh ref for the Irish home game and vice versa for these Pro12 matches, which at least offset the home/ref advantage. But what we saw on Saturday was a joke.

They really should look at the cost of neutral officials - if it's mandatory for test matches, it really should be in the Pro12.

Ideally neutral officials but if not feasible then: Home team, Away ref, Home TMO. ARs generally do ffwc all so who cares about them, maybe get two sober people from the stand...

checks and balances like

Glasgow had to do an away semi final with an all Irish ref team


Pro 12 can't afford it and I generally don't think refs are corrupt, incompetent but the Irish rfu are very good at protecting their refs , Clancy, Lacey, fit gibbon are all as bad as each other

Bullshit decision, should've been a try.

How can the pro 12 not afford to fly a neutral ref to each match? That's the worst excuse I've ever heard.

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Think it is time that all the referees in Europe are put together under one umbrella so to speak & they officiate all competitions, so one week Nigel Owens could do Leinster v Glasgow & the next he could do Toulon v Castres.

This would improve the referees & also improve consistency across the major leagues & tournaments in Europe.

joshfishkins wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

joshfishkins wrote:If you are ankle tapped and fall over, are you allowed to get up and carry on?

Yes you are as you are not held in the tackle.

Right, because on twatter, they are saying that the tackle is complete as his knee has hit the ground. The Connacht player is not holding him at that point, so good try scored.

They really need to sort the standard and consistency of reffing out.

The highlighted bit is wrong as you say, maybe they are thinking of RL where if the ball carrying arm hits the ground the tackle is completed

You're right that there is inconsistency, what I don't like is if you tackle a player man and ball you obviously have to release him when you hit the ground (otherwise you are penalised for not releasing the player), if he then stands up that should always be a penalty in my book, it leaves the defender with little to work with and lends itself to misinterpretation imo.

The knee hitting the ground is minimum necessary but it's not sufficient - the carrier must also be held.
DEFINITIONS Law 15
'A tackle occurs when the ball carrier is held by one or more opponents and is brought to ground.
A ball carrier who is not held is not a tackled player and a tackle has not taken place.'

Flying Scarlet wrote:Think it is time that all the referees in Europe are put together under one umbrella so to speak & they officiate all competitions, so one week Nigel Owens could do Leinster v Glasgow & the next he could do Toulon v Castres.

This would improve the referees & also improve consistency across the major leagues & tournaments in Europe.

Referees would need to sharpen up their French if that were to happen, but yes that would be my preference.