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Mikey Brown
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Completely infuriating. Dumb Gilchrist penalties towards the end of the first half. Somehow not finishing the Hoyland/Lang chance. Lineout going to shit. So Scottish.

A fantastic chance to beat a full Saracens side blown.
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After recent performances I was expecting a humiliation, so a losing BP defeat was a better return than I expected but Edinburgh should have won that. As has been pointed out already some very Scottish failures, especially the restarts, which we seem to be utterly dogshit at completing. Some terrible lineouts as well, although otherwise Mcinally had a good game. DVDM had a bit of a shocker, dropping the ball and crabbing sideways across the pitch. There were some dodgy refereeing decisions but they didn’t lose us the game, it was our wastefulness when provided with try scoring opportunities that ultimately did for us.
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Has Hoyland been injured. Didn't look at his quickest after that interception. Would be very nice to be able to bring one of the four top back three players off the bench.
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I’d just been thinking how good he looked when he first came on, but was running through treacle when he made that break. Communication with Shiels to somehow not score that try was horrendous.

He looked incredibly bulky though, right?
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Mikey Brown wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:04 am I’d just been thinking how good he looked when he first came on, but was running through treacle when he made that break. Communication with Shiels to somehow not score that try was horrendous.

He looked incredibly bulky though, right?
yep, I thought he looked like he'd spent too much time on the weights. Still should have scored with a cooler headed decision as he cut back. Same for Lang

A frustrating "nearly" and gallant loser. But a LBP at Saracens means still in with a shout.

I'm getting fed up pointing out how badly Edinburgh need a tight head prop. Had they started a half decent one they would have won that game. McCallum is unemployed FFS

On a positive front McInally back to his best (except those 2 mad lineouts - no idea what went on there, looked like he was given the wrong call)
And Crosbie showing why Toonie needs to call him up every squad, really was excellent
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Yeah I really felt for McInally on that last lineout. 3 players pointing in the air as if they’re about to jump and then just continue shuffling about as the ball sails over their heads.
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Made the trip over to Allianz Stone X. A good number of Edinburgh fans given it was a late Sunday kick off.

The game was definitely there to be won but lack of a functioning set piece and a man down for 15 mins was never going to help.

But credit to the team they took a LBP from a venue that Glasgow have failed to generate anything from over the years.
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Can someone who knows more about lineout play than I do explain to me why ours is so poor? It looks as though all of the requisite parts are there for it to be at least functional
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Not a word about this game? Just looked at the match report and saw Scott and Paterson in the backs for Edinburgh. Had me wondering if I was even looking at the correct year?
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I actually went to the game. Kind of wish I hadn't - felt like we were outfought by a Glasgow team that wanted it more. Glasgow forwards won that game and most of their personal contests.

I see that after the game Blair talked about wanting his team to be less reactive and that feels right. They all looked a bit edgy and unsure with the ball in hand, a far cry from the last couple of weeks. Savala was a bit annonymous, which is excusable for someone so green, and Vellacot annoyed me. The other bits are our obvious weak links atm. Pure supposition but it was like the old problem of being more comfortable as clear underdogs.

I did quite like Paterson at fullback. There's something worth persevering with there, even if the back 3 is our strongest area. Boyle showed up well too, it's time for him to start cementing himself (though Crosbie has been excellent recently), especially as word at the ground was that Watson might be out for an extended period.
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switchskier wrote: Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:12 am I actually went to the game. Kind of wish I hadn't - felt like we were outfought by a Glasgow team that wanted it more. Glasgow forwards won that game and most of their personal contests.

I see that after the game Blair talked about wanting his team to be less reactive and that feels right. They all looked a bit edgy and unsure with the ball in hand, a far cry from the last couple of weeks. Savala was a bit annonymous, which is excusable for someone so green, and Vellacot annoyed me. The other bits are our obvious weak links atm. Pure supposition but it was like the old problem of being more comfortable as clear underdogs.

I did quite like Paterson at fullback. There's something worth persevering with there, even if the back 3 is our strongest area. Boyle showed up well too, it's time for him to start cementing himself (though Crosbie has been excellent recently), especially as word at the ground was that Watson might be out for an extended period.
was also freezing my balls off at the game

Edin dominated territory and possession, but didn't really threaten much. Playing 2 out and out 12s isn't the best idea if you want to play flowing rugby. Agree you were out-fought by a team who wanted it more.
Edin had a slight edge in the scrum (not always legally) until they took Nel off, then tables turned - another example if one were needed that they need a TH prop.

Home advantage told really, may well be a different story this week at the library
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Boffelli signs on with Edinburgh for another two years. That’s a damn fine bit of business by Edinburgh/SRU, given his form in 2022 I’m sure there would have been quite a few clubs who would have been after him.

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BaldiePete wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 4:36 pm Boffelli signs on with Edinburgh for another two years. That’s a damn fine bit of business by Edinburgh/SRU, given his form in 2022 I’m sure there would have been quite a few clubs who would have been after him.

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Fantastic news. Such a classy player, and a really positive sign that he wanted to stay. Can't believe he couldn't have earned more in France or Japan.
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Team for the rematch is out. Like it better than last week. A bit more balanced in midfield and in the back row - someone suggested that Ritchie and Boyle are too similar to be really effective together and I think that there might be something in that.

Am I right that Vellacott is dropped? Frustrating that Shiel still doesn't get a start.

Venter Cruse Nel
Skinner Gilchrist
Richie Crosbie Mata
Pyrgos Kinghorn
Van der Merwe Lang Bennett Goosen
Boffelli

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Harrison Schoeman Williams Sykes Boyle Sheil Savala Hutchieson
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Vellacott has just re-signed, so they can give the others a game without worrying about him getting restless and wanting a move. He’s my first choice, I like the pace he brings to a game, but I suppose there will be some rotation. Boyle is a good prospect but I have no doubt that Crosbie is a better player and a better fit in a back row with Ritchie and Mata. I’ve heard that Watson has been to see a concussion specialist so it’s a definite possibility that he may never come back in which case Crosbie is definitely the man to fill his shoes for Edinburgh.
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32-25 to the Weegies after a second half collapse by Edinburgh. I hate rugby. :(
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Only read the BBC match report which was gushing about Horne and Tuipulotu. Anything else of note? Curious backrow from Glasgow just picking 3 ball carrying 8s.

Will be very interesting to see what Blair can do to turn around this latest poor period for Edinburgh.
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Mikey Brown wrote: Mon Jan 02, 2023 7:42 am Only read the BBC match report which was gushing about Horne and Tuipulotu. Anything else of note? Curious backrow from Glasgow just picking 3 ball carrying 8s.

Will be very interesting to see what Blair can do to turn around this latest poor period for Edinburgh.
They were both excellent, especially Tuipolotu. Hard carrying and breaking tackles. The “turn to shit and collapse in the second half” virus that affected Glasgow last season seems to have crossed the M8 this season. Edinburgh were very poor in the second half and it looks like second season syndrome for Blair after a very good first season. Also of note, Steyn played better than DVDM and it looks like the magic ingredient that makes Edinburgh play well turns out to be Darcy. They’ve been dogshit since his injury.

That Glasgow back row worked very well, I don’t think Edinburgh managed a single turnover. In the 80s, Scotland occasionally picked a team with five 8s more than once (Beattie, Paxton, White, Jeffrey, Calder), although those last two were really flankers.
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Mikey Brown wrote: Mon Jan 02, 2023 7:42 am Only read the BBC match report which was gushing about Horne and Tuipulotu. Anything else of note? Curious backrow from Glasgow just picking 3 ball carrying 8s.

Will be very interesting to see what Blair can do to turn around this latest poor period for Edinburgh.
Tuipolotu was superb. Total all round game. And he is so much more than the crash ball 12 Townsend wants to play to accommodate Harris. While I don't know if he can produce the same level for Scotland he is absolute class at URC level.

TBH Edin could have had it wrapped up by HT, loads of ball, terrirtory and pressure. Edin errors and very smart/good Weegie defence meant it was only an 8pt lead.
2nd half, Glasgow kept the ball better, played some great stuff (2 really top drawer tries) and edinburgh folded. Folded is the right word. Late try put a gloss on the scoreline which frankly flattered Edinburgh

Oh and Tom Jordan is starting to look like a serious player. Ross Thomson is going to have his work cut out to displace him when he regains fitness
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Good business bringing in Ben Healy from Munster for next season. Does this mean the Kinghorn experiment is over or perhaps he’s going to be out of contract and moving on?
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BaldiePete wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:36 am Good business bringing in Ben Healy from Munster for next season. Does this mean the Kinghorn experiment is over or perhaps he’s going to be out of contract and moving on?
I think it’s about time they gave him a shot at outside centre. :)
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Beat Zebre for a (barely deserved) BP win with the last play of the match having gone from 10-0 up to losing 10-17. Dogshit.
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BaldiePete wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:16 pm Beat Zebre for a (barely deserved) BP win with the last play of the match having gone from 10-0 up to losing 10-17. Dogshit.
yep. Celebrations at the end down to nerves and relief I suspect. didn't deserve 5pts from that, no way
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thread title needs changing BTW. Need some respect for the true champions
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Murray McCallum has signed for Edinburgh till the end of of the season. Great to see him employed and back in Scotland.
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