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Yep. Even the English board finds that decision very odd. Hopefully World Rugby will appeal, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t.

Sandydragon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:41 pm Yep. Even the English board finds that decision very odd. Hopefully World Rugby will appeal, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t.

I'm sure any right thinking rugby supporter would find it odd. Regardless of the technicalities involved in making the decision, just doesn't sit right.

Any word on Basham? I read he failed the initial HIA but Gatland was dubious about it?

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 2:20 pm Any word on Basham? I read he failed the initial HIA but Gatland was dubious about it?

He's on the bench for this weekend, so (hopefully) he's come through unscathed.

Puja

Sandydragon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:41 pm Yep. Even the English board finds that decision very odd. Hopefully World Rugby will appeal, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t.

Well ..they have appealed

Ford now starting for you guys on Saturday.

Numbers wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 4:26 pm Ford now starting for you guys on Saturday.

Whoops wromg thread and wronmg board

Yes I did go to the pub at lunch.

Numbers wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 4:28 pm

Numbers wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 4:26 pm Ford now starting for you guys on Saturday.

Whoops wromg thread and wronmg board

Put it down to pre-cup nervousness. Never admit, as one defendant said in mitigation in court: It was the drink wot dun it!

normanski wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 11:46 am

Numbers wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 4:28 pm

Numbers wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 4:26 pm Ford now starting for you guys on Saturday.

Whoops wromg thread and wronmg board

Put it down to pre-cup nervousness. Never admit, as one defendant said in mitigation in court: It was the drink wot dun it!

I happen to know of a good QC who can get you off even when it's blatantly obvious you've shoulderbarged someone in the face, if you're looking for recommendations...

Puja

Puja wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 7:59 pm

normanski wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 11:46 am

Numbers wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 4:28 pm

Whoops wromg thread and wronmg board

Put it down to pre-cup nervousness. Never admit, as one defendant said in mitigation in court: It was the drink wot dun it!

I happen to know of a good QC who can get you off even when it's blatantly obvious you've shoulderbarged someone in the face, if you're looking for recommendations...

Puja

If he were that good he’d be a KC

Sandydragon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 9:04 pm

Puja wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 7:59 pm

normanski wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 11:46 am

Put it down to pre-cup nervousness. Never admit, as one defendant said in mitigation in court: It was the drink wot dun it!

I happen to know of a good QC who can get you off even when it's blatantly obvious you've shoulderbarged someone in the face, if you're looking for recommendations...

Puja

If he were that good he’d be a KC

Heh, good point! Still working with old money over here!

Puja

Not specific to Owen Farrell, but this reduction of ban if the player does a tackle course is confusing me..

If it is seen as a solution to poor technique, why are players and coaches not doing this course when they first step into proffesional rugby with regular updates ?

Also why does it attract a reduction in sentence ? , it should be mandatory with no reduction, and then your allowed to play again .
I understand that modern players are under greater scrutiny, but that's what today's game is .

ALunpg wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:50 am Not specific to Owen Farrell, but this reduction of ban if the player does a tackle course is confusing me..

If it is seen as a solution to poor technique, why are players and coaches not doing this course when they first step into proffesional rugby with regular updates ?

Also why does it attract a reduction in sentence ? , it should be mandatory with no reduction, and then your allowed to play again .
I understand that modern players are under greater scrutiny, but that's what today's game is .

I guess it's like the speeding awareness course - if you make it mandatory without benefit, then people will either not go or will sit there and not pay any attention or engage with it whatsoever, but if you make it so they get a reduced punishment as long as it's reported back that they paid attention and engaged, then they're more likely to learn something.

There are a fair number of statistics showing that it does improve future outcomes and, even in Farrell's case, his technique has been markedly improved since he did it, right up until the point where he lost his rag through England being under the pump with 13 players and reverted back to trying to smash someone to assert dominance.

Puja

Puja wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:32 pm

ALunpg wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:50 am Not specific to Owen Farrell, but this reduction of ban if the player does a tackle course is confusing me..

If it is seen as a solution to poor technique, why are players and coaches not doing this course when they first step into proffesional rugby with regular updates ?

Also why does it attract a reduction in sentence ? , it should be mandatory with no reduction, and then your allowed to play again .
I understand that modern players are under greater scrutiny, but that's what today's game is .

I guess it's like the speeding awareness course - if you make it mandatory without benefit, then people will either not go or will sit there and not pay any attention or engage with it whatsoever, but if you make it so they get a reduced punishment as long as it's reported back that they paid attention and engaged, then they're more likely to learn something.

There are a fair number of statistics showing that it does improve future outcomes and, even in Farrell's case, his technique has been markedly improved since he did it, right up until the point where he lost his rag through England being under the pump with 13 players and reverted back to trying to smash someone to assert dominance.

Puja

Puja - can we take it you’re no great fan! I have a feeling, England without Farrell, will be more direct and expansive.

normanski wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:27 pm

Puja wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:32 pm

ALunpg wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:50 am Not specific to Owen Farrell, but this reduction of ban if the player does a tackle course is confusing me..

If it is seen as a solution to poor technique, why are players and coaches not doing this course when they first step into proffesional rugby with regular updates ?

Also why does it attract a reduction in sentence ? , it should be mandatory with no reduction, and then your allowed to play again .
I understand that modern players are under greater scrutiny, but that's what today's game is .

I guess it's like the speeding awareness course - if you make it mandatory without benefit, then people will either not go or will sit there and not pay any attention or engage with it whatsoever, but if you make it so they get a reduced punishment as long as it's reported back that they paid attention and engaged, then they're more likely to learn something.

There are a fair number of statistics showing that it does improve future outcomes and, even in Farrell's case, his technique has been markedly improved since he did it, right up until the point where he lost his rag through England being under the pump with 13 players and reverted back to trying to smash someone to assert dominance.

Puja

Puja - can we take it you’re no great fan! I have a feeling, England without Farrell, will be more direct and expansive.

My secret is uncovered!

I do think he has some virtues and is occasionally overly traduced on the EMB, but I'm absolutely done with him after that game. As an experienced head, I want him to be leading the team and guiding the youngsters through a tough period with 13 men, not deciding to go Faz Smash and making everything so much worse. We'll be far better off with Ford at 10 and anyone with self-control higher than a 5 year old as captain.

Hopefully we both win our groups and don't have to deal with each other again until the final!

Puja

Puja wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:35 pm

normanski wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:27 pm [quote=Puja post_id=301048 time=1692790370 user_id

Puja

Puja - can we take it you’re no great fan! I have a feeling, England without Farrell, will be more direct and expansive.

My secret is uncovered!

I do think he has some virtues and is occasionally overly traduced on the EMB, but I'm absolutely done with him after that game. As an experienced head, I want him to be leading the team and guiding the youngsters through a tough period with 13 men, not deciding to go Faz Smash and making everything so much worse. We'll be far better off with Ford at 10 and anyone with self-control higher than a 5 year old as captain.

Hopefully we both win our groups and don't have to deal with each other again until the final!

Puja
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It would be good if England can do a number on Fiji this weekend to help our cause. Winning our groups would be a hell of an achievement given where we are both currently. Not meeting then until the final is the stuff of dreams but nothing is impossible!

Puja wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:32 pm

ALunpg wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:50 am Not specific to Owen Farrell, but this reduction of ban if the player does a tackle course is confusing me..

If it is seen as a solution to poor technique, why are players and coaches not doing this course when they first step into proffesional rugby with regular updates ?

Also why does it attract a reduction in sentence ? , it should be mandatory with no reduction, and then your allowed to play again .
I understand that modern players are under greater scrutiny, but that's what today's game is .

I guess it's like the speeding awareness course - if you make it mandatory without benefit, then people will either not go or will sit there and not pay any attention or engage with it whatsoever, but if you make it so they get a reduced punishment as long as it's reported back that they paid attention and engaged, then they're more likely to learn something.

There are a fair number of statistics showing that it does improve future outcomes and, even in Farrell's case, his technique has been markedly improved since he did it, right up until the point where he lost his rag through England being under the pump with 13 players and reverted back to trying to smash someone to assert dominance.

Puja

If we were talking about the amateur game at all levels I would agree with your analogy, In the non proffesional game there will be always be a necessity to assist players to improve through training and feedback .

If we are talking about elite players who train and practice tackling regularly I am not as convinced. If they are not paying attention or not attending a course dealing with their and others safety then there's a more serious issue to be addressed by the team and coaches.

There have been many other proffesional players red carded this season for illegal tackles who have this option available. If doing it upfront prevents injuries , then it has to be a positive step .