England should be too strong for France - but a motivated France can hurt anyone, and England haven't been playing all that well, despite their scorelines. I fear that we're undercooked for this.
Re: SF2: France v England; Saturday, 3.30pm; BBC1
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2025 2:16 pm
by pjm1
I agree that England *should* be too strong, not for France, but for this France. That team is shorn of some better players - some enforced (injury & suspension) and some selection surprises. A written off France can always be dangerous though.
I totally agree that England are undercooked. We have yet to play a team this WC that has challenged us in any meaningful way. Scotland for 7-8 minutes at the start is not enough, and consolation scores don't truly reflect the defending team's capabilites (although perhaps do indicate a temperament issue...)
My bigger worry with this game is that this France team continues in that same vein. If we totally walk this (which for me has a perhaps 50-60% chance of happening) then I genuinely worry for us in the final, regardless of which of NZ / Canada make it. Temperament (again), arrogance, expectations and just going into that final having played barely opposed training runs is a real recipe for a come down.
Which would be gutting.
So, I hope the real France turn up with their half 1st / half 2nd string team. I hope they absolutely bring it to us, and give our girls a bloody good scare! In fact, I'd go as far as to say, I would actually like to see us trail at half time. If we do, and can't turn it around then we don't deserve to be in the final, let alone win it...
Re: SF2: France v England; Saturday, 3.30pm; BBC1
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2025 4:48 pm
by fivepointer
Fully expect us to be tested. Even a below full strength France should give us a much sterner test than what we've had so far.
If that means we have to play with a touch more ambition that will be be no bad thing.
Re: SF2: France v England; Saturday, 3.30pm; BBC1
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2025 7:35 pm
by Mr Mwenda
Totally agree, the scene is set for an ambush by a battle hardened team. I assume the England camp is aware of this risk but I guess there's only so much that can be done. I am a bit surprised in a way that some of the old hands like Scarrett and M
Packer haven't been involved more involved to bring some nous. But I guess that speaks highly of those who have replaced them.
Re: SF2: France v England; Saturday, 3.30pm; BBC1
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2025 7:58 pm
by Which Tyler
Here's hoping they test us, but ultimately fall short; and keep this as their anthem
Re: SF2: France v England; Saturday, 3.30pm; BBC1
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2025 10:20 pm
by loudnconfident
Ditto.
On Betfair France are 14/1 against for our SF(!) Someone thinks we will walk it and I hope we are tested (and win! ) If we are not tested - and wrt betting - NZ are 5/1 to win the WC. That's good odds IMO
Re: SF2: France v England; Saturday, 3.30pm; BBC1
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2025 7:12 pm
by Which Tyler
Wow
Come. On Canada
Re: SF2: France v England; Saturday, 3.30pm; BBC1
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2025 7:27 pm
by Which Tyler
Things you love to see
Re: SF2: France v England; Saturday, 3.30pm; BBC1
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2025 7:30 pm
by Which Tyler
Boo hiss.
NZ 7 - 17 Can
27 min
Re: SF2: France v England; Saturday, 3.30pm; BBC1
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2025 7:41 pm
by oldbackrow
24-7 and well worth the lead as well!
Re: SF2: France v England; Saturday, 3.30pm; BBC1
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2025 7:44 pm
by Which Tyler
Oops, apparently I got started into the wrong thread.
Nevermind.
Looking ominous for next week - whoever wins.
Canada so good.
New Zealand a little shell shocked, and a little complacent - absolutely can adapt and turn this around after half time
Re: SF2: France v England; Saturday, 3.30pm; BBC1
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 10:39 am
by fivepointer
Weather forecast is for heavy rain later. Pity.
Re: SF2: France v England; Saturday, 3.30pm; BBC1
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 11:11 am
by Which Tyler
fivepointer wrote: ↑Sat Sep 20, 2025 10:39 am
Weather forecast is for heavy rain later. Pity.
Plays into England's hands... Even more so after bans and injuries to the French.
Today, France could be very dangerous if they have good weather, see their set backs and think "fuck it, let's have some fun", and it goes well initially.
Without that, I can't see them really challenging us - which means England should go into the final without having to move beyond 2nd gear, where well play a battle-hardened Canada, who were always my bigger fear of meeting.
Hopefully, Canada will be both battle-hardened, and emotionally exhausted
Re: SF2: France v England; Saturday, 3.30pm; BBC1
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 3:57 pm
by Which Tyler
Made them work way harder than they should have done for that.
White line fever by Escudero with an easy pass inside to score unopposed under the posts
Re: SF2: France v England; Saturday, 3.30pm; BBC1
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 4:11 pm
by paddy no 11
That's a serious butchering from the french 11, went glory hunting to score her own try instead of giving a simple pass
Re: SF2: France v England; Saturday, 3.30pm; BBC1
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 4:14 pm
by paddy no 11
And another one bombed, stupid long pass when hands would have done
Re: SF2: France v England; Saturday, 3.30pm; BBC1
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 4:21 pm
by Which Tyler
Yup.
Calm heads, and France are up 3 tries to 1
The Canadians are definitely the happiest with that half
Re: SF2: France v England; Saturday, 3.30pm; BBC1
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 4:23 pm
by loudnconfident
England are seriously second -best. Strong halftime talk required
...
Re: SF2: France v England; Saturday, 3.30pm; BBC1
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 4:25 pm
by fivepointer
Goodness, the contrast in quality between last nights match and this is stark.
England really need to pull themselves together. Just when they need to be upping a gear they are playing well below their best.
Re: SF2: France v England; Saturday, 3.30pm; BBC1
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 4:27 pm
by Donny osmond
Not impressed with England in the first half. Need to get some composure and leadership. France were clearly better but you get the feeling they're at their ceiling, England could be playing much better, hopefully they do.
Re: SF2: France v England; Saturday, 3.30pm; BBC1
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 5:24 pm
by Puja
Glorious finish by Kildunne, but she bloody well had to score it after eschewing two easy try-scoring passes in favour of going herself!
We got the job done and managed to ride out a really big test. Hopefully that's prepped us well and we won't be surprised to be in a competitive game with the Canucks in a weeks.
Puja
Re: SF2: France v England; Saturday, 3.30pm; BBC1
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 5:33 pm
by Donny osmond
Moved up the gears, stopped fwcing around, won the game. Should be a great game next week if both teams show up.
Re: SF2: France v England; Saturday, 3.30pm; BBC1
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 5:35 pm
by fivepointer
An improved second half with some nicely constructed tries.
Thought Jones was terrific and Kabeya put in a huge defensive shift.
Whether playing like this will be enough next week remains to be seen.
Re: SF2: France v England; Saturday, 3.30pm; BBC1
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 6:15 pm
by Which Tyler
Puja wrote: ↑Sat Sep 20, 2025 5:24 pm
Glorious finish by Kildunne, but she bloody well had to score it after eschewing two easy try-scoring passes in favour of going herself!
Pass? Kildunne? When she has the option of going it alone?
Something tells me you haven't been paying attention...
fivepointer wrote: ↑Sat Sep 20, 2025 5:35 pm
Whether playing like this will be enough next week remains to be seen.
It won't, unless we can drag Canada down to our level