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MP for Batley and Spen in Yorkshire dies in hospital having been shot and stabbed in her constituency.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-engla ... s-36543180

Absolutely shocking news.

RIP.

Terrible and tragic news.

RIP

Thoughts with her family and friends

Deeply shocking incident and prayers are with the family.

There are some proper scum out there and nice people are increasingly in the firing line. Local politics is very corrupt.
This stinks...

Very sad news, thoughts go to her family

This is shocking. Not even Americans do this.

This is the end result of a culture of fear and hate. The guy had mental health issues and was probably wound up with whole EU referendum campaign, which has got very bloody minded. He also has a history of involvement with a far-right Saffer white supremacist group, so a Labour MP who is wholeheartedly Pro-EU, campaigns to admit Syrian refugees and works publicly with the Asian community, is an obvious target for the voices in his head.

He'll be cast as a lone wolf, acting out of madness and there is an element of truth in that, but he didn't act totally in isolation. If the vituperative anti-migrant campaigns of the Brexiters and the main stream media didn't have an effect on his actions then my prick is a bloater. For sure it wasn't the fault of Gove, Johnson and Farage et al, but they created the atmosphere in which he breathed the language of hate. Actions have consequences and while they didn't pull the trigger and shoot her in the face, what they say and what they do opened the door to his madness.

I didn't know much about her except that she was a tireless campaigner for Palestinian rights https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/as ... -cox-slain

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A very sad news indeed. Thoughts are with her family.

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UKHamlet wrote:This is the end result of a culture of fear and hate. The guy had mental health issues and was probably wound up with whole EU referendum campaign, which has got very bloody minded. He also has a history of involvement with a far-right Saffer white supremacist group, so a Labour MP who is wholeheartedly Pro-EU, campaigns to admit Syrian refugees and works publicly with the Asian community, is an obvious target for the voices in his head.

He'll be cast as a lone wolf, acting out of madness and there is an element of truth in that, but he didn't act totally in isolation. If the vituperative anti-migrant campaigns of the Brexiters and the main stream media didn't have an effect on his actions then my prick is a bloater. For sure it wasn't the fault of Gove, Johnson and Farage et al, but they created the atmosphere in which he breathed the language of hate. Actions have consequences and while they didn't pull the trigger and shoot her in the face, what they say and what they do opened the door to his madness.

I would say the Farages, Goves and Johnsons are harmless, they want to leave the EU but they haven't based their opinion of where Britain should be around hate and they certainly don't preach it. Its the Britain Firsts and EDL that have created the sort of atmosphere where this type of person is wound up and encourged into madness. Scumbags.

Interesting article in the Times which cites 80 of MPs receiving some kind of threat. A number have serial stalkers, which the police are investigating.

Unfortunately, MPs are high profile targets for those with a grudge. It seems like the killer yesterday had mental health issues, but many people hold MPs in contempt, so it's not all together surprising that someone with mental health issues would choose their MP to make a statement.

Sadly there is plenty of incendiary language used in politics at the moment which doesn't help.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ead-jo-cox
"Rude, crude, Nazi-style extremism is mercifully rare. But the leavers have lifted several stones. How recklessly the decades of careful work and anti-racist laws to make those sentiments unacceptable have been overturned.
This campaign has stirred up anti-migrant sentiment that used to be confined to outbursts from the far fringes of British politics. The justice minister, Michael Gove, and the leader of the house, Chris Grayling – together with former London mayor Boris Johnson – have allied themselves to divisive anti-foreigner sentiment ramped up to a level unprecedented in our lifetime. Ted Heath expelled Enoch Powell from the Tory front ranks for it. Oswald Mosley was ejected from his party for it. Gove and Grayling remain in the cabinet."

UKHamlet wrote:This is the end result of a culture of fear and hate. The guy had mental health issues and was probably wound up with whole EU referendum campaign, which has got very bloody minded. He also has a history of involvement with a far-right Saffer white supremacist group, so a Labour MP who is wholeheartedly Pro-EU, campaigns to admit Syrian refugees and works publicly with the Asian community, is an obvious target for the voices in his head.

He'll be cast as a lone wolf, acting out of madness and there is an element of truth in that, but he didn't act totally in isolation. If the vituperative anti-migrant campaigns of the Brexiters and the main stream media didn't have an effect on his actions then my prick is a bloater. For sure it wasn't the fault of Gove, Johnson and Farage et al, but they created the atmosphere in which he breathed the language of hate. Actions have consequences and while they didn't pull the trigger and shoot her in the face, what they say and what they do opened the door to his madness.

Oh come now, Hammy. I don't know what this guy was upset about and neither do you.

To blame it on the EU leavers is a stretch.

So today, of all days, a policeman appears to have left his loaded service firearm behind in the gents in our parliament.

Nice.

UKHamlet wrote:This is the end result of a culture of fear and hate. The guy had mental health issues and was probably wound up with whole EU referendum campaign, which has got very bloody minded. He also has a history of involvement with a far-right Saffer white supremacist group, so a Labour MP who is wholeheartedly Pro-EU, campaigns to admit Syrian refugees and works publicly with the Asian community, is an obvious target for the voices in his head.

He'll be cast as a lone wolf, acting out of madness and there is an element of truth in that, but he didn't act totally in isolation. If the vituperative anti-migrant campaigns of the Brexiters and the main stream media didn't have an effect on his actions then my prick is a bloater. For sure it wasn't the fault of Gove, Johnson and Farage et al, but they created the atmosphere in which he breathed the language of hate. Actions have consequences and while they didn't pull the trigger and shoot her in the face, what they say and what they do opened the door to his madness.

I agree with your sentiment about public figures, but its not just the leavers. Politics is becoming more polarized and polarizing in the general public at least.

Ironically this is happening at a time when the parties are fighting tooth and nail for the middle ground, but one only has to witness the denunciation of anyone who may have a different politics as "Tory scum" etc etc, there's less and less tolerance for alternate views, and more and more people who think its Ok to take a pejorative view of someone based on nothing more than a difference of opinion.

Its the end point of this age of hysteria that we've created for ourselves, and society at large is as much to blame as the media and the press.

That's my point of view, BTW, I haven't read it anywhere else!

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UKHamlet wrote:This is the end result of a culture of fear and hate. The guy had mental health issues and was probably wound up with whole EU referendum campaign, which has got very bloody minded. He also has a history of involvement with a far-right Saffer white supremacist group, so a Labour MP who is wholeheartedly Pro-EU, campaigns to admit Syrian refugees and works publicly with the Asian community, is an obvious target for the voices in his head.

He'll be cast as a lone wolf, acting out of madness and there is an element of truth in that, but he didn't act totally in isolation. If the vituperative anti-migrant campaigns of the Brexiters and the main stream media didn't have an effect on his actions then my prick is a bloater. For sure it wasn't the fault of Gove, Johnson and Farage et al, but they created the atmosphere in which he breathed the language of hate. Actions have consequences and while they didn't pull the trigger and shoot her in the face, what they say and what they do opened the door to his madness.

Jebus!

WiganShark wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ead-jo-cox
"Rude, crude, Nazi-style extremism is mercifully rare. But the leavers have lifted several stones. How recklessly the decades of careful work and anti-racist laws to make those sentiments unacceptable have been overturned.
This campaign has stirred up anti-migrant sentiment that used to be confined to outbursts from the far fringes of British politics. The justice minister, Michael Gove, and the leader of the house, Chris Grayling – together with former London mayor Boris Johnson – have allied themselves to divisive anti-foreigner sentiment ramped up to a level unprecedented in our lifetime. Ted Heath expelled Enoch Powell from the Tory front ranks for it. Oswald Mosley was ejected from his party for it. Gove and Grayling remain in the cabinet."

Holy 5hit!!

This is terribly terribly sad. The only spurious political point I'd be prepared to make is that we need to have a more mature attitude toward those with mental health issues and invest more in helping them.

Len wrote:

UKHamlet wrote:This is the end result of a culture of fear and hate. The guy had mental health issues and was probably wound up with whole EU referendum campaign, which has got very bloody minded. He also has a history of involvement with a far-right Saffer white supremacist group, so a Labour MP who is wholeheartedly Pro-EU, campaigns to admit Syrian refugees and works publicly with the Asian community, is an obvious target for the voices in his head.

He'll be cast as a lone wolf, acting out of madness and there is an element of truth in that, but he didn't act totally in isolation. If the vituperative anti-migrant campaigns of the Brexiters and the main stream media didn't have an effect on his actions then my prick is a bloater. For sure it wasn't the fault of Gove, Johnson and Farage et al, but they created the atmosphere in which he breathed the language of hate. Actions have consequences and while they didn't pull the trigger and shoot her in the face, what they say and what they do opened the door to his madness.

I would say the Farages, Goves and Johnsons are harmless, they want to leave the EU but they haven't based their opinion of where Britain should be around hate and they certainly don't preach it. Its the Britain Firsts and EDL that have created the sort of atmosphere where this type of person is wound up and encourged into madness. Scumbags.

Yeah?

Great journalism this: Why Is the Killer of British MP Jo Cox Not Being Called a “Terrorist”? https://theintercept.com/2016/06/17/why ... terrorist/

UGagain wrote:

UKHamlet wrote:This is the end result of a culture of fear and hate. The guy had mental health issues and was probably wound up with whole EU referendum campaign, which has got very bloody minded. He also has a history of involvement with a far-right Saffer white supremacist group, so a Labour MP who is wholeheartedly Pro-EU, campaigns to admit Syrian refugees and works publicly with the Asian community, is an obvious target for the voices in his head.

He'll be cast as a lone wolf, acting out of madness and there is an element of truth in that, but he didn't act totally in isolation. If the vituperative anti-migrant campaigns of the Brexiters and the main stream media didn't have an effect on his actions then my prick is a bloater. For sure it wasn't the fault of Gove, Johnson and Farage et al, but they created the atmosphere in which he breathed the language of hate. Actions have consequences and while they didn't pull the trigger and shoot her in the face, what they say and what they do opened the door to his madness.

Oh come now, Hammy. I don't know what this guy was upset about and neither do you.

To blame it on the EU leavers is a stretch.

Dude shouted "Britain first" before getting stabby and shooty, and here he supposedly is, from Britain First's own Facebook page.






Nah, can't imagine what he might've been upset about.


Edit: Bonus screenshot in case those racist fucks delete the post.

rowan wrote:Great journalism this: Why Is the Killer of British MP Jo Cox Not Being Called a “Terrorist”? https://theintercept.com/2016/06/17/why ... terrorist/

He is being investigated by the counter terrorism team, and the BBC acknowledged the political nature of his crime. I think his mental health issues are preventing a more robust approach by the media. I don't agree with that, but that's my opinion of the coverage thus far.

Sandydragon wrote:

rowan wrote:Great journalism this: Why Is the Killer of British MP Jo Cox Not Being Called a “Terrorist”? https://theintercept.com/2016/06/17/why ... terrorist/

He is being investigated by the counter terrorism team, and the BBC acknowledged the political nature of his crime. I think his mental health issues are preventing a more robust approach by the media. I don't agree with that, but that's my opinion of the coverage thus far.

I actually do agree with it... just like with the Orlando killing, when a psycho loner goes psycho and uses some spurious link to an organisation to justify to themselves, it doesn't necessarily mean that organisation actually had anything to do with them going psycho.

If the media started to treat it as a terrorist attack then every psycho around would see their chance to claim legitimacy for their own idiocy by claiming a link that implies others are/were on their side when really, they're just psycho loners being sad pathetic people.

Dunno if I've explained that very well. Psycho loners should be called out for the pathetic fwced up narcissists that they are, not given a spurious legitimacy by linking them to groups of others.

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Donny osmond wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

rowan wrote:Great journalism this: Why Is the Killer of British MP Jo Cox Not Being Called a “Terrorist”? https://theintercept.com/2016/06/17/why ... terrorist/

He is being investigated by the counter terrorism team, and the BBC acknowledged the political nature of his crime. I think his mental health issues are preventing a more robust approach by the media. I don't agree with that, but that's my opinion of the coverage thus far.

I actually do agree with it... just like with the Orlando killing, when a psycho loner goes psycho and uses some spurious link to an organisation to justify to themselves, it doesn't necessarily mean that organisation actually had anything to do with them going psycho.

If the media started to treat it as a terrorist attack then every psycho around would see their chance to claim legitimacy for their own idiocy by claiming a link that implies others are/were on their side when really, they're just psycho loners being sad pathetic people.

Dunno if I've explained that very well. Psycho loners should be called out for the pathetic fwced up narcissists that they are, not given a spurious legitimacy by linking them to groups of others.

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That's a fair point, although many terrorists have been far from mentally stable, so I suppose the only argument is over the numbers involved, which then precludes the lone wolf scenario. It not black or white either way and I'm not going to lose sleep over whether it's called terrorism or not.

It's a disgusting crime, that bit is for sure.