RugbyRebels

I'm trying like real hard to care that some Texan cops got shot. But my brain keeps saying, "yep, that seems fair."

Because like the dead black folk they may have been bad people anyway???

Because when you push the jackboot down hard enough, sooner or later something pushes back.

Law enforcement agencies in the states are essentially paramilitary organisations deployed against the citizens, and who appear to be authorised to respond to the slightest threat with lethal force.

I haven't checked the numbers but I suspect that armed police cause more deaths in the states than mass shootings and terrorism combined.

Lizard wrote:I'm trying like real hard to care that some Texan cops got shot. But my brain keeps saying, "yep, that seems fair."

Try harder then mate. It's a fucking appallingly tragic sequence of events.

I can understand how the previous incidents have linked to this (making that assumption which may be proved otherwise).

But its very easy to care about loss of life.

Texas specifically prides itself on allowing its citizens to arm themselves including against excesses of executive power. Those that join an armed, executive enforcement body are choosing to put themselves in harm's way.

I agree it's terrible that some probably perfectly nice guys got killed but given the faults in the system they were sworn to uphold, and chose to join, I'm just not all that sympathetic.

Edinburgh in Exile wrote:

Lizard wrote:I'm trying like real hard to care that some Texan cops got shot. But my brain keeps saying, "yep, that seems fair."

Try harder then mate. It's a fucking appallingly tragic sequence of events.

Nah mate. They joined the polis so fuck them apparently.

Lizard wrote:Texas specifically prides itself on allowing its citizens to arm themselves including against excesses of executive power. Those that join an armed, executive enforcement body are choosing to put themselves in harm's way.

I agree it's terrible that some probably perfectly nice guys got killed but given the faults in the system they were sworn to uphold, and chose to join, I'm just not all that sympathetic.

How can you be so blasé about it?

Out of interest, do you see this contributing to a resolution in any way?

Lizard wrote: I haven't checked the numbers but I suspect that armed police cause more deaths in the states than mass shootings and terrorism combined.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-i ... s-database

In 2015, 1,146 people were killed by the police in the USA
In 2015, 475 people were killed in "mass shootings" in the USA
In 2015, 13,286 people died by "gun violence" in the USA (excl suicide)

Lizard wrote:Texas specifically prides itself on allowing its citizens to arm themselves including against excesses of executive power. Those that join an armed, executive enforcement body are choosing to put themselves in harm's way.

I agree it's terrible that some probably perfectly nice guys got killed but given the faults in the system they were sworn to uphold, and chose to join, I'm just not all that sympathetic.

I'm not enjoying your wholesale generalisations Lizard, nor your seeming eagerness to point out your ambivalence. Each to their own I guess.

Lizard wrote:Texas specifically prides itself on allowing its citizens to arm themselves including against excesses of executive power. Those that join an armed, executive enforcement body are choosing to put themselves in harm's way.

I agree it's terrible that some probably perfectly nice guys got killed but given the faults in the system they were sworn to uphold, and chose to join, I'm just not all that sympathetic.

Thats a bit like suggesting that as crime figures suggest most crime is committed by black youths, if they get shot then its too bad. I think its easy to point out the flaws in the organization whilst still considering the human factor.

This was an extremely peaceful protest... Which btw is a right we all cherish. It wasn't just Dallas police officers shot, at least one DART officer, and a civilian was targeted as well. (Civilians are not generally armed at peaceful rallies for any of you wondering)

Coco wrote:This was an extremely peaceful protest... Which btw is a right we all cherish. It wasn't just Dallas police officers shot, at least one DART officer, and a civilian was targeted as well. (Civilians are not generally armed at peaceful rallies for any of you wondering)

But some do... this is crazy!!! Needless to say he didn't intervene. He quickly gave up his gun to the police to avoid confusion. You do wonder what is the point of him carrying a weapon then.

Otherwise this was horrifying news but as Lizard pointed out in a somewhat Blaze tone, not very shocking.

No Gun Control, Strong discrimination, limited social services. SAD SAD DAY

He was showing he can exercise his right to carry... Peacefully. He did just that.

Coco wrote:He was showing he can exercise his right to carry... Peacefully. He did just that.

Which in the current climate is about the most fuckheaded thing he could possibly do.

I just don't understand these people.

He would apparently disagree with you.

Does that make it a sensible decision?

The fuck it does.

It's fvcking ridiculous the need these people have to cut about with weapons.

All I want to know is when we can shoot racists

Which Tyler wrote:

Lizard wrote: I haven't checked the numbers but I suspect that armed police cause more deaths in the states than mass shootings and terrorism combined.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-i ... s-database

In 2015, 1,146 people were killed by the police in the USA
In 2015, 475 people were killed in "mass shootings" in the USA
In 2015, 13,286 people died by "gun violence" in the USA (excl suicide)

I think I've seen higher figures for the numbers shot by police with about 500 officers killed in return, but i'm not at all sure.

I can entirely see where Lizard is coming from. In a country where apparently black men can be summarily executed by police officers for DWB with impunity it is not at all difficult to understand a black man deciding to give a bit back and it's pretty hard to condemn. I guess where I depart from Liz is that I have sympathy for the actually loss of life, even if I have difficulty condemning the action that caused it.

You are focusing on a law abiding citizen. This man did nothing illegal. Boneheaded or not, he was within his rights as an American citizen.

When a countries law makers can not even decide to allow a 3 day waiting period for people ON FBI watch lists it has to take a step back and say "whoa this is fvcked" America is broken and it will never fix it's self until it realises that the 2nd amendment was good for 200 years a go but now it is just plain stupid

caldeyrfc wrote:When a countries law makers can not even decide to allow a 3 day waiting period for people ON FBI watch lists it has to take a step back and say "whoa this is fvcked" America is broken and it will never fix it's self until it realises that the 2nd amendment was good for 200 years a go but now it is just plain stupid

The 2nd amendment established the right for a community to arm a militia against an untrusted federal government. Frankly this action cones about as close to embodying the spirit of that amendment as anything I have heard of from America in a long time.

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:

Which Tyler wrote:

Lizard wrote: I haven't checked the numbers but I suspect that armed police cause more deaths in the states than mass shootings and terrorism combined.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-i ... s-database

In 2015, 1,146 people were killed by the police in the USA
In 2015, 475 people were killed in "mass shootings" in the USA
In 2015, 13,286 people died by "gun violence" in the USA (excl suicide)

I think I've seen higher figures for the numbers shot by police with about 500 officers killed in return, but i'm not at all sure.

I can entirely see where Lizard is coming from. In a country where apparently black men can be summarily executed by police officers for DWB with impunity it is not at all difficult to understand a black man deciding to give a bit back and it's pretty hard to condemn. I guess where I depart from Liz is that I have sympathy for the actually loss of life, even if I have difficulty condemning the action that caused it.

I can't. There is no justice in murder, and the certainly isn't any fairness.

canta_brian wrote:

caldeyrfc wrote:When a countries law makers can not even decide to allow a 3 day waiting period for people ON FBI watch lists it has to take a step back and say "whoa this is fvcked" America is broken and it will never fix it's self until it realises that the 2nd amendment was good for 200 years a go but now it is just plain stupid

The 2nd amendment established the right for a community to arm a militia against an untrusted federal government. Frankly this action cones about as close to embodying the spirit of that amendment as anything I have heard of from America in a long time.

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