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rowan wrote:Former speaker of the People's Council Hadiye Khalaf Abbas was also a woman
Chemically altered? That bastard Assad can't help himself
Under orders from Putin, surely . . .
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Basically everything we are reading in mainstream media about Iran and Israel at the moment is a complete lie. Iranian troops are in Syria at the behest of the government in Damascus to help fight US-backed terrorists. Israel considers this a threat and is firing at the Iranians, so the Iranians are firing back. But according to mainstream media it is the Israelis who are "responding." I haven't seen so much blatant lying going on since just before the US invaded Iraq.
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rowan wrote:Basically everything we are reading in mainstream media about Iran and Israel at the moment is a complete lie. Iranian troops are in Syria at the behest of the government in Damascus to help fight US-backed terrorists. Israel considers this a threat and is firing at the Iranians, so the Iranians are firing back. But according to mainstream media it is the Israelis who are "responding." I haven't seen so much blatant lying going on since just before the US invaded Iraq.
Almost like a false causus bell straight out of the Kremlin playbook. Judging by the powder puff Russian response to this, Netanyahu and his bessi Putin cooked it up together at Putin’s wee do on Monday.
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Stones of granite wrote:
rowan wrote:Basically everything we are reading in mainstream media about Iran and Israel at the moment is a complete lie. Iranian troops are in Syria at the behest of the government in Damascus to help fight US-backed terrorists. Israel considers this a threat and is firing at the Iranians, so the Iranians are firing back. But according to mainstream media it is the Israelis who are "responding." I haven't seen so much blatant lying going on since just before the US invaded Iraq.
Almost like a false causus bell straight out of the Kremlin playbook. Judging by the powder puff Russian response to this, Netanyahu and his bessi Putin cooked it up together at Putin’s wee do on Monday.
Weird :?

Israel is seriously aggrieved that Syria wasn't destroyed by the US-led proxy war, the way Iraq and Libya were, because it is determined to hold onto the Golan Heights, though the UN ruled in Syria's favor on the issue. So it is still spoiling for war, and the presence of the dastardly Iranians in Syria now provides a pretext for continuing the hostilities. But the Iranian troops are in Syria at the invitation of the government in Damascus and therefore operating entirely within international law. You could draw a comparison here to Russia's annoyance over the build up of NATO troops on its Eastern European borders, but of course mainstream propaganda views that solely from the Western perspective. If there's a difference, it's that Iran never made a gentlemen's agreement with Israel not to put troops in Syria, as the Americans had with Russia over NATO's eastward expansion. & guess what, the only missiles Iran has fired in response to Israel's have been into the Golan Heights - legally Syrian territory!! Putin won't be too concerned about Iran's tit-for-tat with Israel, however, provided the latter doesn't employ any of the 200-odd nukes it developed secretly in violation of international law (while Washington looked the other way). Hypocrisy galore, as usual!
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rowan wrote:
Stones of granite wrote:
rowan wrote:Basically everything we are reading in mainstream media about Iran and Israel at the moment is a complete lie. Iranian troops are in Syria at the behest of the government in Damascus to help fight US-backed terrorists. Israel considers this a threat and is firing at the Iranians, so the Iranians are firing back. But according to mainstream media it is the Israelis who are "responding." I haven't seen so much blatant lying going on since just before the US invaded Iraq.
Almost like a false causus bell straight out of the Kremlin playbook. Judging by the powder puff Russian response to this, Netanyahu and his bessi Putin cooked it up together at Putin’s wee do on Monday.
Weird :?

Israel is seriously aggrieved that Syria wasn't destroyed by the US-led proxy war, the way Iraq and Libya were, because it is determined to hold onto the Golan Heights, though the UN ruled in Syria's favor on the issue. So it is still spoiling for war, and the presence of the dastardly Iranians in Syria now provides a pretext for continuing the hostilities. But the Iranian troops are in Syria at the invitation of the government in Damascus and therefore operating entirely within international law. You could draw a comparison here to Russia's annoyance over the build up of NATO troops on its Eastern European borders, but of course mainstream propaganda views that solely from the Western perspective. If there's a difference, it's that Iran never made a gentlemen's agreement with Israel not to put troops in Syria, as the Americans had with Russia over NATO's eastward expansion. & guess what, the only missiles Iran has fired in response to Israel's have been into the Golan Heights - legally Syrian territory!! Putin won't be too concerned about Iran's tit-for-tat with Israel, however, provided the latter doesn't employ any of the 200-odd nukes it developed secretly in violation of international law (while Washington looked the other way). Hypocrisy galore, as usual!
Of course it’s fucking wierd. Netanyahu pitches up in Moscow, the only “western” leader, for Putin’s bash. RT reports that Israel informed Russia of their attack plans, who presumably didn’t bother passing it on to their allies, and now Russia has changed their tune about supplying Syria with an S-300 air defence system.
Israel’s beef with Iran is primarily about them supplying Hezbollah, who are a dangerous enemy. They found them a real handful back in 2006, and supplied with Iranian weapons they are a real threat to Israel.
The really wierd thing is Russia’s relaxed approach to Israel giving the Quds an aerial shoeing with little more than a token protest. One might be led to conclude that the Russians aren’t too impressed with having beards tramping all over what they consider their area of interest.
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Stones of granite wrote:
rowan wrote:
Stones of granite wrote: Almost like a false causus bell straight out of the Kremlin playbook. Judging by the powder puff Russian response to this, Netanyahu and his bessi Putin cooked it up together at Putin’s wee do on Monday.
Weird :?

Israel is seriously aggrieved that Syria wasn't destroyed by the US-led proxy war, the way Iraq and Libya were, because it is determined to hold onto the Golan Heights, though the UN ruled in Syria's favor on the issue. So it is still spoiling for war, and the presence of the dastardly Iranians in Syria now provides a pretext for continuing the hostilities. But the Iranian troops are in Syria at the invitation of the government in Damascus and therefore operating entirely within international law. You could draw a comparison here to Russia's annoyance over the build up of NATO troops on its Eastern European borders, but of course mainstream propaganda views that solely from the Western perspective. If there's a difference, it's that Iran never made a gentlemen's agreement with Israel not to put troops in Syria, as the Americans had with Russia over NATO's eastward expansion. & guess what, the only missiles Iran has fired in response to Israel's have been into the Golan Heights - legally Syrian territory!! Putin won't be too concerned about Iran's tit-for-tat with Israel, however, provided the latter doesn't employ any of the 200-odd nukes it developed secretly in violation of international law (while Washington looked the other way). Hypocrisy galore, as usual!
Of course it’s fucking wierd. Netanyahu pitches up in Moscow, the only “western” leader, for Putin’s bash. RT reports that Israel informed Russia of their attack plans, who presumably didn’t bother passing it on to their allies, and now Russia has changed their tune about supplying Syria with an S-300 air defence system.
Israel’s beef with Iran is primarily about them supplying Hezbollah, who are a dangerous enemy. They found them a real handful back in 2006, and supplied with Iranian weapons they are a real threat to Israel.
The really wierd thing is Russia’s relaxed approach to Israel giving the Quds an aerial shoeing with little more than a token protest. One might be led to conclude that the Russians aren’t too impressed with having beards tramping all over what they consider their area of interest.
I thought Netenyahu was in Moscow to attend the Victory Day celebrations. You know Israel likes to continuously try and justify its existence (on Palestinian territory) by reminding everyone of that terrible conflict 80-odd years ago. I don't think Israel's only beef with Iran is Hezbollah. Far from it. I think right now both the US and Israel - not to mention Saudi and a few others - are immensely displeased with Iran for its part in preventing them from taking control of Syria (as mentioned). In fact, I think that's primarily what lies behind Trump's bizarre decision to terminate the nuclear deal even though Iran was complying with all the conditions - sour grapes that the US didn't get its way for a change and Iran was partially responsible. BTW, I didn't know you were such a big fan of RT. But I'd suggest that Putin and Bibi are right now negotiating an end to this business, which will only come about if Iranian troops pull out of Syria (despite having every right to be there) and Israel agrees to stop firing rockets into the country and supporting anti-government terrorists. I don't think Russia is one fraction as concerned about the Iranian presence in Syria as it is about illegal and aggressive American, Turkish and Israeli occupation of certain areas, which are ongoing.
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Zhivago wrote:'independent' SOHR funded by foreign office
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Surprise, surprise, another false flag . . . :evil:

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This seems like as good a place as any to put this... an article outlining the flaws into the journalism of a certain oft-quoted and formerly celebrated journalist. Its cringe worthy to read.

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/poli ... mour-hersh



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rowan wrote:Surprise, surprise, another false flag . . . :evil:

RT isn’t an objective news service.
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Donny osmond wrote:This seems like as good a place as any to put this... an article outlining the flaws into the journalism of a certain oft-quoted and formerly celebrated journalist. Its cringe worthy to read.

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/poli ... mour-hersh



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Sandydragon wrote:
rowan wrote:Surprise, surprise, another false flag . . . :evil:

RT isn’t an objective news service.
The reason right-wing warmongering rednecks fear RT is that it presents a Russian voice in English. The right-wing warmongering rednecks of this world would far prefer it that the Russian voice was never heard in the West, except in Russian which is not generally understood in the West. The mainstream corporate media which has ushered America into so many genocidal wars, killing millions, would thus have it all its own way - free to brainwash and continue ushering America into its genocidal wars without the other side of the story ever coming to light. What a perfect little right-wing, warmongering rednecks' paradise that would be :evil: :evil: :evil:

& it goes without saying they would also like to discredit and silence those who reveal the truth about US war crimes, such as Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh, who exposed the My Lai massacre in Vietnam, Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse, and the funneling of arms and chemical weapons to terrorists in Syria directly through a NATO member . . . :roll:
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Sandydragon wrote:
Donny osmond wrote:This seems like as good a place as any to put this... an article outlining the flaws into the journalism of a certain oft-quoted and formerly celebrated journalist. Its cringe worthy to read.

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/poli ... mour-hersh



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Good article.
He's an odd chap is Hersh, logically as consistent as a deranged inmate at a funny farm
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Hmmm. Veteran Pultizer Prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh versus "Donny & Digby" on a dubious rugby chat forum. Who do I go with here??

:lol: :lol: :lol: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:
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That creationist chemist seems all the rage on RT these days. Doesn't most of their traffic come via the social media conduit for the cute animal videos and suchlike.
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rowan wrote:Hmmm. Veteran Pultizer Prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh versus "Donny & Digby" on a dubious rugby chat forum. Who do I go with here??

:lol: :lol: :lol: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:

If it's so dubious why do you spend so much time on it?
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belgarion wrote:
rowan wrote:Hmmm. Veteran Pultizer Prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh versus "Donny & Digby" on a dubious rugby chat forum. Who do I go with here??

:lol: :lol: :lol: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:

If it's so dubious why do you spend so much time on it?
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Bitch say what?
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rowan wrote:The reason right-wing warmongering rednecks fear RT is that it presents a Russian voice in English. The right-wing warmongering rednecks of this world would far prefer it that the Russian voice was never heard in the West, except in Russian which is not generally understood in the West. The mainstream corporate media which has ushered America into so many genocidal wars, killing millions, would thus have it all its own way - free to brainwash and continue ushering America into its genocidal wars without the other side of the story ever coming to light. What a perfect little right-wing, warmongering rednecks' paradise that would be :evil: :evil: :evil:

& it goes without saying they would also like to discredit and silence those who reveal the truth about US war crimes, such as Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh, who exposed the My Lai massacre in Vietnam, Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse, and the funneling of arms and chemical weapons to terrorists in Syria directly through a NATO member . . . :roll:
The 'Russian voice' in English you mentioned is freely available in the West. Freeview, freesat and just about every other western media delivery system has RT freely available.

Besides, I understand your mistrust to mainstream media (to some degree), but surely that same mistrust should also apply to Russian, or other non-western news agencies who are also pushing their own agendas. The same very much applies to internet based 'news sources' you seem to post links to. Sure, they may have the occasional award winning former journalists writing for them, but haven't many western journos won the same accolades?

Just seems odd championing some 'veteran Pulitzer prize winning investigative journalists' (Hersh is not the first) when many mainstream media journalists have also won the same award. Was it not as worthy in those years?
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You're responding to the response, not to the source of the inanity itself.
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rowan wrote:You're responding to the response, not to the source of the inanity itself.

Responding to the response is the entire point of the response you salad. The initial response is inane. You are playing the man and not the ball.
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https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/ ... ing-online

Oh, but this story is in the western media so can be dismissed....
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Oh dear, looks like you guys were completely wrong about everything - once again... :shock:

But will you be man enough to admit it :roll:

In terms of suffering caused, there is often not, in fact, much to choose between dismembering and burning people alive with high explosives, shredding them with shrapnel, and choking them with poison gas. Modern 'conventional' weapons can be far more cruel and devastating than, for example, chlorine gas. But chemical weapons, prohibited by international law, are extremely potent in allowing Western 'humanitarians' to justify 'intervention' in response to crimes - real, hyped or imagined - that the West has itself far surpassed using more respectable forms of mass murder.

Noam Chomsky has observed that 'propaganda is to a democracy what the bludgeon is to a totalitarian state'. This is certainly true for social control at home, but propaganda also allows nominally democratic states to wield their military bludgeons abroad in much the same way as totalitarian states.

Thus, in April, it happened again: the entire corporate media system rose up with instant certainty to damn an enemy state for crimes against humanity on April 7, in Douma, Syria.

This was not acceptable death by bomb and bullet; this was a nerve gas attack. The villainous agent on every journalist's lips: sarin, a highly toxic synthetic organophosphorus compound that has no smell or taste, but which quickly kills through asphyxiation.

As we discussed at the time, there was no question that this was a repetition of the fake justification for war to secure non-existent Iraqi WMDs, or to prevent a fictional Libyan massacre in Benghazi. Instead, the Guardian editors insisted that this certainly was 'a chemical gas attack, orchestrated by Bashar al-Assad, that left dead children foaming at the mouth'. From the safety of his Guardian office, assistant editor Simon Tisdall hammered the drum for a war that risked even nuclear confrontation:

'It means destroying Assad's combat planes, bombers, helicopters and ground facilities from the air. It means challenging Assad's and Russia's control of Syrian airspace. It means taking out Iranian military bases and batteries in Syria if they are used to prosecute the war.'

By contrast, Scott Ritter - a former chief UN weapons inspector in Iraq who understands the issues - was more cautious:

'The bottom line, however, is that the United States is threatening to go to war in Syria over allegations of chemical weapons usage for which no factual evidence has been provided. This act is occurring even as the possibility remains that verifiable forensic investigations would, at a minimum, confirm the presence of chemical weapons...'

No matter, on April 14, three days after Ritter's article appeared, the US, UK and France attacked Syria in response to the unproven allegations.

Robert Fisk of the Independent visited Douma and spoke to a senior doctor who works in the clinic where victims of the alleged chemical attack had been brought for treatment. Dr Rahaibani told Fisk what had happened that night:

'I was with my family in the basement of my home three hundred metres from here on the night but all the doctors know what happened. There was a lot of shelling [by government forces] and aircraft were always over Douma at night – but on this night, there was wind and huge dust clouds began to come into the basements and cellars where people lived. People began to arrive here suffering from hypoxia, oxygen loss. Then someone at the door, a "White Helmet", shouted "Gas!", and a panic began. People started throwing water over each other. Yes, the video was filmed here, it is genuine, but what you see are people suffering from hypoxia – not gas poisoning.'

When Fisk's report wasn't ignored, it was sneeringly dismissed. A headline in The Times read:

'Critics leap on reporter Robert Fisk's failure to find signs of gas attack'

The Times, which is no stranger to controversy, suggested that there were big question marks over Fisk's record:

'Fisk is no stranger to controversy.'

No Organophosphates Found
On 6 July 2018, the Fact-Finding Mission (FFM) of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), issued an interim report on the FFM's investigation regarding the allegations of chemical weapons use in Douma. The passage that jumped out of the report:

'No organophosphorus nerve agents or their degradation products were detected, either in the environmental samples or in plasma samples from the alleged casualties.'

No sarin! But is it possible that any nerve agents had degraded and disappeared before OPCW investigators reached the site? An April 17, Guardian article had reported:

'The OPCW has been racing against the clock to collect samples from the site of the attack, a three-storey house in Douma, in which scores of people died in a basement. Jerry Smith, who helped supervise the OPCW-led withdrawal of much of Syria's sarin stockpile in 2013, said samples of nerve agent rapidly degrade in normal environmental conditions... The Russian military and Syrian officers have had access to the house since last Thursday, raising fears that the site may have been tampered with. However, Smith said it was likely that residual samples of nerve agent would remain for at least another week, even after an attempted clean-up.'

The OPCW later commented:

'On 21 April 2018, after security concerns had been addressed, the FFM team conducted its first visit to one of the alleged sites of interest, and it was deemed an acceptable risk to enter Douma...'

In other words, OPCW's race 'against the clock' appeared to have been successful. Charles Shoebridge a former Scotland Yard detective and counter terrorism intelligence officer, observed:

'if OPCW find no traces, likely not due to any inspection delay'

Before we examine 'MSM' reaction to the OPCW report, particularly to the failure to find 'organophosphorus nerve agents or their degradation products', let's look at their initial reaction to claims of a nerve agent attack on April 7.



Initial Response - 'Those Symptoms Don't Come From Chlorine'
CNN reported on April 14:

'Senior US officials expressed confidence Saturday that both chlorine and sarin gas were used in Syria's alleged chemical weapons attack on the Damascus enclave of Douma last week...'

CNN cited reports 'from media, nongovernmental organizations and other open sources' that 'point to miosis - constricted pupils - convulsions and disruptions to central nervous systems. Those symptoms don't come from chlorine. They come from nerve agents... It's a much more efficient weapon, unfortunately, the way the regime has been using it, and it's resulted in higher deaths, it resulted in terrible pictures.'

The Financial Times cited Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, a former commanding officer of the UK's chemical biological radiological and nuclear regiment (see here on his credibility as an impartial source):

'There's no doubt this was a major chemical weapons attack. The big question is whether it was chlorine or sarin. I am favouring a mix of the two.' (David Bond and Rebecca Collard, 'Experts say gas attack proof will take weeks: Civil war. Douma Inspectors are struggling to access site of alleged atrocity as Assad's troops move in,' Financial Times, 12 April 2018)

A Telegraph article opened with this harrowing line:

'The victims were found exactly where they had been when the gas hit. Their silent killer had given little warning.'

This clearly suggested a very powerful nerve agent, as the article explained:

'Medics on the ground reported smelling a chlorine-like substance, but said the patients' symptoms and the large death toll pointed to a more noxious substance such as nerve agent sarin.

'"The number of casualties is so high and that's not typical for chlorine," said Dr Ahmad Tarakji, president of the Syrian American Medical Society (SAMS), which assists hospitals in Eastern Ghouta. "Unfortunately, because of a lack of resources, we can't take blood samples."'

The claims did indeed suggest something much more powerful than chlorine, as The Daily Mail made clear in a report also citing de Bretton-Gordon:

'If it was chlorine, they could have escaped. But they died after just taking a few steps.' (Vanessa Allen, 'Little girl left foaming at the mouth by horrific gas attack,' Daily Mail, 16 April 2018)

The Mail cited an 'activist' making the same point:

'Ibrahim Reyhani, a White Helmet civil defence volunteer, said anyone who touched the bodies started getting sick, and said he believed a mixture of sarin and chlorine had been used.

'He told the Sunday Times: "If it's just chlorine, if you smell it you can escape. But sarin you breathe and it kills you."

The Telegraph published an op-ed by de Bretton-Gordon:

'There have been a number of chlorine attacks, but it would appear that chlorine, although outlawed by the Chemical Weapons Convention, is below the threshold for the UK and France to strike.

'Saturday's attack, with so many deaths and casualties, looks possibly to be a mixture of chlorine and the nerve agent sarin, and this atrocity must surely stretch above their threshold for action.'

It is worth reiterating again – as media responses to the OPCW's latest report, conspicuously, have not - that chlorine was not a sufficiently deadly agent to cause either the claimed level of carnage or the claimed level of Western moral outrage. In 2015, Barack Obama noted: 'Chlorine itself, historically, has not been listed as a chemical weapon.'

Charles Shoebridge commented:

'while headlines of chemical weapons are undoubtedly dramatic, the relatively low lethality of chlorine makes it an ineffective – and therefore arguably also unlikely – choice of weapon...

'Indeed, given the low toxicity of the allegedly small amounts used and the unpleasant bleach smell that always betrays chlorine's presence, in most instances people could avoid being killed by simply walking away – another indication of its near uselessness as a weapon. Perhaps the only way it could be tactically effective is if used to drive people from trenches or bunkers to allow them to then be killed with bombs and bullets – but again, the amounts of chlorine needed would be far more than is alleged, and the accuracy needed to target in this way is unlikely to be achieved using unguided rockets as alleged this week in east Ghouta, or by dropping a "barrel bomb" from a helicopter.'

Chlorine gas was not included in the list of Syrian chemical weapons reported to the OPCW. It is an unsophisticated weapon that could also be deployed by 'rebel' forces and to which they have had access. The OPCW reported in August 2016: 'Chlorine is available to all parties in the Syrian Arab Republic.'

A Guardian leader also linked the alleged attack in Douma to sarin:

'Dozens of civilians in the Douma district were killed by Syrian government chemical attacks on Saturday.'

It continued:

'This is not the first time this has happened. Since the use of sarin at Khan al-Assal in 2013 there have been dozens of chemical attacks by the regime.'

Peter Hitchens commented on the Guardian's coverage in the Mail on Sunday:

'Here is the Guardian, on 9th April 2018: "Aid workers and medics described apocalyptic scenes in the besieged city of Douma, where at least 42 people have died from what appears to be a chemical attack, as they scrambled to save the survivors of the latest atrocity in Syria...

'"Doctors said the symptoms had been consistent with exposure to an organophosphorus substance."'

Hitchens asked:

'Which doctors? Note the absence of named, checkable sources in a story written some distance from Damascus. This was typical of almost all western media reports of the episode at the time.'

Hitchens observed that OPCW had found no traces of organophosphates but that 'The quoted "doctors", being unidentified, cannot now be approached to ask for their response to this.'



Responding To OPCW's July 6 Report
The skwawkbox website noted that the BBC had covered, and distorted, OPCW's July 6 report. A BBC headline read:

'Syria attack was chlorine gas – watchdog

'The deadly attack in Douma in April left dozens of civilians dead and caused and international outcry.'

This was complete invention. As skwawkbox commented: 'the OPCW report emphatically does not say that chlorine gas was used'. The report actually said:

'Along with explosive residues, various chlorinated organic chemicals were found in samples from two sites, for which there is full chain of custody. Work by the team to establish the significance of these results is on-going. The FFM team will continue its work to draw final conclusions.' (Our emphasis)

Chlorinated organic chemicals are extremely common, found in degreasers, cleaning solutions, paint thinners, pesticides, resins, glues, and many other mixing and thinning solutions. The BBC amended the article, which later read:

'The report said two samples from gas cylinders recovered at the scene tested positive for chlorine.'

Skwawkbox commented again:

'This is a classic example of a technically-correct claim that is completely misleading.

'The [OPCW] report does note the presence of chlorine in some samples tested from the cylinders – but not chlorine gas or the residues that would be expected from its reaction with other substances...

'The relevant page of the OPCW's full report states that no 'relevant chemicals' were found from a swab inside the opening of one cylinder:

'In debris and on other items around the cylinder, chlorine compounds were found – but these are common compounds that would be unlikely to be formed simply by chlorine reacting with something on site.'

In similar vein, Alec Luhn, the Telegraph's Russia correspondent, tweeted:

'The April chemical attack in Douma was caused by chlorine gas, the OPCW says. Or it was completely staged, if you still believe the Russian authorities'

Sharmine Narwani, a writer, commentator and analyst covering Middle East geopolitics, replied brusquely but accurately:

'No, the OPCW didn't say that. It found traces of chlorine on the scene, which it would find in your house or office or water supply too, if sampled. Try actual #journalism.'

OffGuardian noted several headlines covering OPCW's findings. Reuters reported:

'Chemical weapons agency finds "chlorinated" chemicals in Syria's Douma'

The Independent wrote:

'Syrian conflict: Chlorine used in Douma attack that left dozens of civilians dead, chemical weapons watchdog finds'

As Off-Guardian noted, the headlines should have read: No nerve agents found.

Remarkably, these rare mentions aside, the OPCW interim report has been ignored by most major newspapers and media, including the Guardian.


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