Bastareaud

[rowan]

I'd be interested to hear the French perspective on Mathieu Bastaraud's unwise choice of insulting terms to use against Sebastian Negri during the Toulouse-Benetton encounter. I understand he used the English word 'faggot,' so given neither player was a native English-speaker, just how serious an offense was this? The term is widely used where I'm from, and given language is a socially acquired skill word choice is largely determined by exposure and habit. It's almost certain Bastaraud did not actually want to tell Negri he was homosexual, but was simply venting his anger with the first insult that came to mind. Again, neither player was a native English-speaker. If the word 'faggot' is considered so offensive that its use in a RUGBY match should be worthy of the sports headlines, then it needs to be stigmatized to the same degree as racial slurs, and to my knowledge that hasn't been the case.

[hugh_woatmeigh]

Absolute joke of a ban at just 3 weeks.

With each and every farcical non-citing or pathetic ban I drift further and further away from the sport.

I wonder what someone would have got it they used a racial slur on Bastareaud? Just 3 weeks?

There's a such thing as being too PC but if Rugby are serious about tackling racism, homophobia and any discrimination really, throw the book at them. A 3 week ban will not deter anyone from doing that in the future really.

[rowan]

That was also my initial reaction, but then I started to think about it different, particularly given neither man is a native English speaker and that homophobic slurs haven't generally been stigmatized by society; at least, not to the same extent as racial slurs. I think your analogy regarding the making of a racial slur on Bastereaud would apply only if Negri were actually gay. That's not to condone homophobia, however. Btw, are you French?

[morepork]

He's Scottish. The only thing approaching French on here is Adder, who addressed this in another thread.

[Digby]

Absolute joke of a ban at just 3 weeks.

With each and every farcical non-citing or pathetic ban I drift further and further away from the sport.

I wonder what someone would have got it they used a racial slur on Bastareaud? Just 3 weeks?

There's a such thing as being too PC but if Rugby are serious about tackling racism, homophobia and any discrimination really, throw the book at them. A 3 week ban will not deter anyone from doing that in the future really.

Why wonder given the person who used a racial slur on Bastareaud is what went before Bastareaud responding, and that person didn't even need to have a hearing, he's was always free to go about his business.

[rowan]

You're saying Negri used a racial slur, the Bastareaud responded with a homophobic slur, and only the latter got punished??

[rowan]

Makes the French squad regardless:

France squad:
Forwards: Eddy Ben Arous, Yacouba Camara, Camille Chat, Paul Gabrillaugues, Cedate Gomes Sa, Kevin Gourdon, Guilhem Guirado, Arthur Iturria, Anthony Jelonch, Felix Lambey, Wenceslas Lauret, Sekou Macalou, Jefferson Poirot, Dany Priso, Rabah Slimani, Marco Tauleigne, Christopher Tolofua, Sebastien Vahaamahina
Backs: Mathieu Bastareaud, Anthony Belleau, Henry Chavancy, Geoffrey Doumayrou, Brice Dulin, Antoine Dupont, Benjamin Fall, Matthieu Jalibert, Remi Lamerat, Maxime Machenaud, Geoffrey Palis, Morgan Parra, Teddy Thomas, Virimi Vakatawa

https://www.ruck.co.uk/squad-update-bas ... ons-squad/

[Adder]

I'd be interested to hear the French perspective on Mathieu Bastaraud's unwise choice of insulting terms to use against Sebastian Negri during the Toulouse-Benetton encounter. I understand he used the English word 'faggot,' so given neither player was a native English-speaker, just how serious an offense was this? The term is widely used where I'm from, and given language is a socially acquired skill word choice is largely determined by exposure and habit. It's almost certain Bastaraud did not actually want to tell Negri he was homosexual, but was simply venting his anger with the first insult that came to mind. Again, neither player was a native English-speaker. If the word 'faggot' is considered so offensive that its use in a RUGBY match should be worthy of the sports headlines, then it needs to be stigmatized to the same degree as racial slurs, and to my knowledge that hasn't been the case.

We agree. Had he said the same thing in French, a more comprehensive ban would be required. I doubt it would have been picked out though.

[rowan]

Cheers for the response. I'm as appalled by genuine homophobia as anyone else, but here he was just using a term that he'd no doubt heard many times (from both English-speakers and non-English speakers) to vent his anger at someone. You won't hear racial slurs very often today because we've successfully stigmatized them. Most homophobic terms have not been stigmatized to the same extent. But then again, perhaps this is a good place to start...

[OptimisticJock]

Btw, are you French?

Anymore racial slurs and you're banned.

[rowan]

Makes the French squad regardless:

France squad:
Forwards: Eddy Ben Arous, Yacouba Camara, Camille Chat, Paul Gabrillaugues, Cedate Gomes Sa, Kevin Gourdon, Guilhem Guirado, Arthur Iturria, Anthony Jelonch, Felix Lambey, Wenceslas Lauret, Sekou Macalou, Jefferson Poirot, Dany Priso, Rabah Slimani, Marco Tauleigne, Christopher Tolofua, Sebastien Vahaamahina
Backs: Mathieu Bastareaud, Anthony Belleau, Henry Chavancy, Geoffrey Doumayrou, Brice Dulin, Antoine Dupont, Benjamin Fall, Matthieu Jalibert, Remi Lamerat, Maxime Machenaud, Geoffrey Palis, Morgan Parra, Teddy Thomas, Virimi Vakatawa

https://www.ruck.co.uk/squad-update-bas ... ons-squad/

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https://rugbyonslaught.com/watch-french ... 0-minutes/

[rowan]

Here's a handy guideline for insulting your opponents on the rugby pitch:

Historically, many rugby players derive wholesome joy and build healthy camaraderie from sledging.

By insulting the heritage and virility of French, English, and other participants in the right honourable code of rugby union, rugby players have built a long-standing tradition.

In the latter days however, the usage of certain unsavoury characterisations of alleged buggery and other foul play having fallen out of favour of prevailing social normative attitudes.

Therefore, this August the ancient body takes it upon ourselves to more aptly define the correct and lovely life-affirming syntax of inclusive insults and approved sledging.

1. When in doubt, cast gentle aspersions on the possibly hetero-activities of the opponent. As in, “You hetero Dog.” Or, “You kick the ball as if you are a lover of many women of diverse backgrounds.”

2. Do not falsely claim to have made a conquest of an opponent’s relatives. However, if you have photographic or telegraphic proof, submit same to the TMO, for a pre-game ruling.

3. (Inapplicable in Ireland) Do not append or suffix the f-word to any prurient epithet, because it is needlessly and unnecessarily redundant and superfluous.

4. When playing Scottish opponents or players with demonstrable Scottish descent, do use the c-word, because it is considered endearing and complimentary, and formally polite.

5. Mix a feeling of enlightenment in with your insults. If you were going to ask if your opponent’s father isn’t at the game because he’s ashamed of his son’s terrible skills, make it plural: “Fathers.” But do not add the F-word, except in Ireland, where speaking without the use of the F-word is rude.

6. Spanish-speaking and French-speaking rugby players may speak freely.

7. Do not question patronage or IQ. Do not be literal. Assertions may be made in the past present tense, but must be framed as a hypothetical. As in, “that sound of your boots as you run up the tunnel could be confused with the hypothetical bouncing of my hypothetical scrotum against your theoretical birth mother.”

8. Add twenty-three percent of caution when David Pocock is on the pitch.

9. Preface insults with ingratiating introductions. “My good sir, thou in the colourful headgear and delicious-looking cauliflower ears. You appear to tackle like a real retrograde hetero. So butch, thou art. Would you mind if I call you a knob?”

10. Keep all geographical and private versus public school references out of sledging. A c – – is a c – – ; no matter where the c – – – lives or was born. Stay on topic. (Any aspersions on England and her rulers – alive and dead – or Owen Farrell, are excluded from censure).

11. Many men throw or kick poorly. Look at Bernard Foley. So there’s no reason to tell a weak exit kicker he “kicks like a girl.” It shall henceforth be approved to call him: “Foley.” Or “you Foleyed.” Or “Fee Fie Foley.” This term is specifically included with “Falcon,” as an authorised insult.

12. Any player calling a mark, can, however, and in some cases must be insulted by any means necessary.

13. A forward is permitted three violations of these rules per game if the target is another forward (or teammate). Forward play is brutal and we allow for that. A back is not allowed any violation. Even if a big Bastareaud.

14. The coach of Australia is also exempt; he has applied for recognition as a performance artist and is thus only doing art, when he calls referees and opponents violative terms.

15. The spirit of these laws is about respect. Try to balance negative statements with positive ones. If you call David Pocock “Gay,” then follow that with “Straight; and there’s nothing wrong with that, probably.”

16. Double entendres as abused by Kiwi and Welsh halfbacks (“Your put-in ain’t straight, hee hee”) shall no longer be permitted.

17. Wayne Barnes has written WR to state he welcomes verbal abuse: we must respect his preferences.

18. Thank you.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2018/01/23/wo ... ing-rules/

[kk67]

Baptiste-Serin didn't make the squad..?.

[rowan]

In the professional era it seems ruggers are beginning to behave more and more like footballers...

You may have noticed in recent weeks that certain ‘football’ trends are slowly beginning to creep into rugby, and the world’s leading referee Nigel Owens wants it stamped out. Football players have been known to demand players be yellow-carded, and we’ve seen a few instances of this in rugby in recent weeks.

On Saturday former All Black Ma’a Nonu demanded Wayne Barnes issue a yellow card, and while the English referee dealt with is superbly, the feeling is it shouldn’t be coming to this in the first place. There’s simply no room for it in the game.

It’s not the first time it’s happened, and it most certainly won’t be the last if something is not done. Owen’s recently appeared on Brian Moore’s Full Contact Podcast on the Daily Telegraph website and said he and the other senior referees have discussed it.

http://sportlocker.ie/nigel-owens-fello ... -in-rugby/

[tigran]

Bastareaud is not homophobic...any longer ban would have been a disgrace..

[Mikey Brown]

http://www.rugbydump.com/2018/09/6530/m ... for-months As we all know, he is a total fucking twat.

[kk67]

It's upsetting that professional sport requires a psychopathic determination. Being happy doesn't require that determination.

[kk67]

I don't think he's a nutter. he seems a pretty good, Skip.