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Digby · Post by **Digby** » Thu Aug 23, 2018 4:18 pm

Has anyone responded to Putin's request for other nations to stump up for the rebuild costs in Syria?

Okay the USA are going to want Iran to get out, but it was largely the Russians blowing the place up and I don't know we'd be keen paying for their repairs. That said I've no idea how much Russia handed over for the rebuild in Iraq, if they have been digging deep we'll have to reciprocate

rowan · Post by **rowan** » Thu Aug 23, 2018 4:39 pm

The Russians should not have to pay for the cost of rebuilding Syria as it was they who liberated the nation from the US backed rebels/terrorists, and America itself which created much of the carnage - despite having no legal authority whatsoever to be there. Regrettably the tactic of the US proxies was to hole up with the local civilian population held hostage. The Americans themselves conceded the impossibility of defeating them without considerable loss of civilian life, and their own efforts in Raqqa made little if any effort to avoid that scenario - leading to catastrophic consequences which have been compared to genocide. So it is the US and the Gulf States which should foot the bill. Not quite sure why Putin suggested the EU do so, despite the limited involvement of the UK and France (again illegal).

Galfon · Post by **Galfon** » Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:54 pm

I don't think many from outside the region believe Turkey rolled in for any reason other than putting a stop to the developing Kurdish zone along the border from the Euphrates to Afrin.It has always championed a 'buffer zone' ...there is a clash of cultures and ideology meaning all Kurds or affiliates are potential terrorists, wheras to others the YPG et al helped defeat the other terrorists.Russia gave a free hand in Afrin and US cut a deal in Manbij, so it's watch this space for that place, up to the river and possibly beyond to Kobane and even Raqqa..(.if your GL is serious.)
He now has a job on his hands with his economy at home and there are plenty of other players watching moves further east.It seems to have stalled for now.
In terms of who pays, that's a challenge and a half but will be linked to how the spoils are carved up.

rowan · Post by **rowan** » Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:45 pm

GL's pride and ego are more important than the economy and everybody's life savings. If America won't hand over the preacher, Turkey won't hand over the pastor. So there!

Galfon · Post by **Galfon** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:49 am

Trump's pulling US troops out of N Syria after the 'defeat of ISIS' in Syria.This gives a green light to Turkey's anti-Kurd plans for Manbij and then east of Euphrates into Rojava.The SDF that helped defeat ISIS on the ground has YPG elements that Mr. E considers 'terrorists' therefore fair game.Looks like recipe for anything between major instability and another war in the region with Turkey(NATO & Qatari ally) the main protagonist, and the risk of a re-surgent re-modelled IS.That would be worst case scenario - has Trump done a deal, or has he just walked away ? Looks iffy.

Galfon · Post by **Galfon** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:46 pm

Kick-off predictably in Manbij...'IS' suicide bomb kills 15 or more including US soldiers, reportedly.
Delay to US departure now, or precursor to Turkey's planned anti-Kurdish take-over of the city?
ding-ding..

BeJimmieHeeks · Post by **BeJimmieHeeks** » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:28 pm

Remember the weapons of mass destruction that Hussein said he had and everyone thought he had until they could blame not finding any on Bush?

Many said they went to Syria......

The middle east is a mess and BHO is a wuss and they are taking advantage of it.

Remember BHOs red line in the sand over a year ago and they the gassing last spring?

The middle east is only going to get worse.....

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Galfon · Post by **Galfon** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:15 pm

Nasty..

Post by **Sandydragon** » Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:40 am

Galfon wrote:Nasty..

Yep. The region needs some stabilisation and the Kurds needed to have avoided another fucking over like they historically get.

Well done Trump.

Digby · Post by **Digby** » Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:42 am

For Trump to suddenly act as he has is on Trump and stains the USA. But even Trump has a point when he talks about EU countries failing to accept responsibility for taking ISIS fighters back and for not investing enough into military assistance in the region

Post by **morepork** » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:04 am

Digby wrote:For Trump to suddenly act as he has is on Trump and stains the USA. But even Trump has a point when he talks about EU countries failing to accept responsibility for taking ISIS fighters back and for not investing enough into military assistance in the region

Do you really believe any of that logic has filtered into his thinking? One phone call from a dictator and we’re on. Easiest genocide Eva. Obviously he will welcome the inevitable Kurdish refugees with open arms. It’s fucking cold and ignorant. No, he didn’t start it, but can you think of a less appropriate individual to be attempting to mediate this situation?

Blair, Bush, Cheney...are you cunts proud of your work yet?

Digby · Post by **Digby** » Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:58 am

morepork wrote:
Digby wrote:For Trump to suddenly act as he has is on Trump and stains the USA. But even Trump has a point when he talks about EU countries failing to accept responsibility for taking ISIS fighters back and for not investing enough into military assistance in the region

Do you really believe any of that logic has filtered into his thinking? One phone call from a dictator and we’re on. Easiest genocide Eva. Obviously he will welcome the inevitable Kurdish refugees with open arms. It’s fucking cold and ignorant. No, he didn’t start it, but can you think of a less appropriate individual to be attempting to mediate this situation?

Blair, Bush, Cheney...are you cunts proud of your work yet?

I think he knows the USA is paying more than many leading EU nations, and he does have a point about that. I don't see the UK rushing to deploy troops there, nor France, nor Germany.. bascically we're all happy to slate what is a shocking decision without doing anything that inconveniences us

Donny osmond · Post by **Donny osmond** » Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:01 am

Did I see something about him opening ahotal I turkey, or is that some online bullshit I’ve fallen for?

Digby · Post by **Digby** » Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:04 am

Donny osmond wrote:Did I see something about him opening ahotal I turkey, or is that some online bullshit I’ve fallen for?

Possibly. There are the Trump Towers, but I don't know if there's a hotel in them, and they're not his, he's just paid for the use of his name (a decision I believe the actual owners now bigly regret)

Post by **morepork** » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:40 am

Digby wrote:
morepork wrote:
Digby wrote:For Trump to suddenly act as he has is on Trump and stains the USA. But even Trump has a point when he talks about EU countries failing to accept responsibility for taking ISIS fighters back and for not investing enough into military assistance in the region

Do you really believe any of that logic has filtered into his thinking? One phone call from a dictator and we’re on. Easiest genocide Eva. Obviously he will welcome the inevitable Kurdish refugees with open arms. It’s fucking cold and ignorant. No, he didn’t start it, but can you think of a less appropriate individual to be attempting to mediate this situation?

Blair, Bush, Cheney...are you cunts proud of your work yet?
I think he knows the USA is paying more than many leading EU nations, and he does have a point about that. I don't see the UK rushing to deploy troops there, nor France, nor Germany.. bascically we're all happy to slate what is a shocking decision without doing anything that inconveniences us

Why should the rest of the world be compelled to adjust to the whims of one oaf's social media mewlings?

Digby · Post by **Digby** » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:53 am

morepork wrote:
Digby wrote:
morepork wrote:

Do you really believe any of that logic has filtered into his thinking? One phone call from a dictator and we’re on. Easiest genocide Eva. Obviously he will welcome the inevitable Kurdish refugees with open arms. It’s fucking cold and ignorant. No, he didn’t start it, but can you think of a less appropriate individual to be attempting to mediate this situation?

Blair, Bush, Cheney...are you cunts proud of your work yet?
I think he knows the USA is paying more than many leading EU nations, and he does have a point about that. I don't see the UK rushing to deploy troops there, nor France, nor Germany.. bascically we're all happy to slate what is a shocking decision without doing anything that inconveniences us

Why should the rest of the world be compelled to adjust to the whims of one oaf's social media mewlings?

The rest of the (western) world shouldn't be so willing to allow the USA to police so much of the world, though that would involve spending money which they're all too happy to avoid.

Galfon · Post by **Galfon** » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:08 am

Cue mass jail-breaks and the consequences that will bring.Many will be looking to return home..

Digby · Post by **Digby** » Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:24 pm

Galfon wrote:Cue mass jail-breaks and the consequences that will bring.Many will be looking to return home..

Again not to excuse the idiotic move from the fat orange wanker, but we should never have left them there to begin with. We (Europe in this instance) were happy they were the problem of someone else, and that might now hurt us

Post by **Puja** » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:29 pm

Fighting on the Syrian border with Turkey has prevented the SDF from securing IS detention camps in areas under its control, senior official Redur Xelil said in a televised statement on Saturday.

"Guarding IS prisons is no longer a priority. Whoever cares about the secure detention of the prisoners they are welcome to come and find a solution."

Instead, he said, SDF forces would "move to protect our cities and our people".

Completely understandable fuck you from the Kurds. Poor sods - with a sane leader in the White House, those prisoners would've been a bargaining chip for American protection and a potential acknowledgement of a Kurdish state, but they're unlucky enough to be dealing with one who genuinely doesn't understand the complexities of this, or indeed any, situation.

Puja

Galfon · Post by **Galfon** » Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:09 pm

We've not heard much from the Syrian regime yet..wouldn't have thought they would just things unravel without asserting their position in a number of ways..Russia being the obvious & control of the skies near the border.
Unless the deals are already done..

Galfon · Post by **Galfon** » Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:18 pm

Idlib Province now - the latest tangled web that will prove sticky for millions in the area..
Opening the Turkey border to EU is going to ruffle - it won't be as easy this time round for sure, sorry pawns in the fuddled manouverings..'Kin mess.

paddy no 11 · Post by **paddy no 11** » Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:00 pm

What are the rooskies up to here? Flooding Europe with refugees, rise of the right, total takeover? Bleak

Galfon · Post by **Galfon** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:19 pm

Still trying to distance Turkey from NATO, despite uncomfortable situation in Idlib with Assad trying to clear the area Erdogan hoped to use for returning refugees.
At least Turkey's impressive drone-army set their sights on Syrian forces only thus far...but doesn't seem to have changed much apart from sentiments back home.

Post by **Sandydragon** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:16 am

I think Erdogan is about to get a harsh lesson in geo-politics in the not too distant future.

Galfon · Post by **Galfon** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:09 pm

He's off to Brussels tomorrow for talks on the migrant impasse, apparently.Greece has closed their border and there are reports of vigilante groups around the islands, searching out anyone there illegally and keeping NGO activity to a minimum.( the locals appear to have had enough - 'send them elsewhere!' is the cry from over the water.) It looks as if the 2016 deal with EU did not pan out as expected.

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