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Cameo
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Yikes - that seems to have happened very quickly. Hope it clears up now he's stopped.
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Don't move your fucking 10 just because a winger is injured. Especially after 33min and the replacement is JVdW. FFS.
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Big D wrote:Don't move your fucking 10 just because a winger is injured. Especially after 33min and the replacement is JVdW. FFS.
On my way back from the game and have no idea how we lost that. The difference between kinghorn for the first 30 minutes and JVDW for the rest was huge. We were just so much less of a threat.

Blair got a few things wrong today, not just shunting Kinghorn out to the wing. He thought we had the game won after the red card and brought on the youngsters. I'd have made the same call, but it backfired and complacency set in. To contradict myself, I'd have started Boyle alongside Ritchie and Bradbury. Bradbury and Haining in the same backrow didn't work - too similar. I hope Toonie hasn't been insisting that the latter gets game time.

Final thought, Rowe is one that got away. One error but otherwise he looked sharp.
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The team tonight looks an interesting mix of experience and youngsters. Were Ed expecting a French Europe-away team? Haven't been keeping up with things lately but there seems very few French names in that Brive side, so I'm guessing they're full strength?
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Well, if they were full strength, that's a very impressive result. If not: still an impressive result.
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That lanky streak of piss on the wing is rapid.
Cameo
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That was good fun. After all the talk of building up the challenge cup, though, you'd think they could get some better coverage!
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no sleep wrote:Well, if they were full strength, that's a very impressive result. If not: still an impressive result.
Sounds like it was Brives second or third team (Covid).

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Anyone watching the game? Great chance for the youngsters but they had to make that early possession count. Boyle was unlucky there but it could also have been red.
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Team against Connacht looks young but interesting. Boyle and Muncaster both start and both have huge potential.
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56 unanswered points is pretty special at this level even of Connacht were shite.

So many good performances. Initial thoughts are I'm not sure Crosbie and Haining should be ahead of Muncaster and Boyle when they are available for selection. Muncaster looks to the Manor born.

Morale boosting performance for Kinghorn too and how quickly have the Argentines settled? Bofelli has been great.

Back 5 in the scrum players missing, all internationals:
GG
Sykes
Hodgson
Toolis
Mata
Watson
Ritchie
Bradbury
Haining
Crosbie

And yet none of those playing looked out of place.
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Rudi Brown isn't a small 18 year old either.
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Yeah, a completely different level but I'd recommend the highlights for anyone wondering what they see in the Kinghorn at 10 idea.
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Big D wrote:56 unanswered points is pretty special at this level even of Connacht were shite.
a clinical demolition of a poor side - worst defensive record in the URC, now a lot worse!

Very iffy opening quarter from Edinburgh, too many daft unforced errors. Looked as if they could be in trouble. But they picked it up and once they hit their straps it was no contest. Connacht front especially poor.

Kinghorn in broken play was excellent, really was. Still that doubt that he can control a game against a good side, but not his fault the opposition were far from good last night.
Muncaster one to watch for me, quite a complete display. Has to come into Scotland reckoning for the summer - if only Edinburgh give him more games and leave out some of their half dozen or so bigger name back rows (Watson, Richie, Haining, Crosbie, Haining, Mata, Kunavala). Current injuries and Scotland calls have opened the door, but it needs to stay open
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septic 9 wrote:
Big D wrote:56 unanswered points is pretty special at this level even of Connacht were shite.
a clinical demolition of a poor side - worst defensive record in the URC, now a lot worse!

Very iffy opening quarter from Edinburgh, too many daft unforced errors. Looked as if they could be in trouble. But they picked it up and once they hit their straps it was no contest. Connacht front especially poor.

Kinghorn in broken play was excellent, really was. Still that doubt that he can control a game against a good side, but not his fault the opposition were far from good last night.
Muncaster one to watch for me, quite a complete display. Has to come into Scotland reckoning for the summer - if only Edinburgh give him more games and leave out some of their half dozen or so bigger name back rows (Watson, Richie, Haining, Crosbie, Haining, Mata, Kunavala). Current injuries and Scotland calls have opened the door, but it needs to stay open
Missing 13 or 14 international forwards and still hammering a team that in theory wasn't that weakened and on a good run shows that Edinburgh probably need to be ruthless in the summer with some in the squad. Haining and maybe even Crosbie should be potentially moved on unless the Bradbury to Saracens rumours are true in which case I'd move Haining on and keep Crosbie to cover 6 and 7 and have Muncaster as 8 cover with Mata and Kunivula.
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Big D wrote: Missing 13 or 14 international forwards and still hammering a team that in theory wasn't that weakened and on a good run shows that Edinburgh probably need to be ruthless in the summer with some in the squad. Haining and maybe even Crosbie should be potentially moved on unless the Bradbury to Saracens rumours are true in which case I'd move Haining on and keep Crosbie to cover 6 and 7 and have Muncaster as 8 cover with Mata and Kunivula.
not sure how many were missing but bar the hooker Connacht had a seriously shit underpowered front 5 last night. Bench no better. made a huge difference.
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Magnus Bradbury off to Bristol next year.

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Seems like a good move. It certainly doesn't make sense to have so much of the quality in the squad packed in to the backrow.
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Seen a few tweetsnetc about how this is the problem with only having two teams. It's partly Bradburys fault he has had to go. If he had shown this seasons form last year they almost certainly wouldn't have offered both Mata and Haining a deal.

Give me any of the young uns over Haining. Harsh, maybe, but they are exciting and Haining is a plodder with the odd good game.
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Completely missed that there was an 1872 game tonight. Given it's an international weekend the team doesn't look too bad abs having the Argentinians really helps. Pleased to see the young guns in the pack still getting their chance but surprised by the starting props. Would have liked Savala ahead of vdw.

Need to find a stream now.

15. Henry Immelman (12)
14. Ramiro Moyano (8)
13. Matt Currie (9)
12. Chris Dean VICE-CAPTAIN (114)
11. Emiliano Boffelli (10)
10. Jaco van der Walt (80)
9. Henry Pyrgos CAPTAIN (62)

1. Harrison Courtney (4)
2. Dave Cherry VICE-CAPTAIN (50)
3. Angus Williams (9)
4. Pierce Phillips (6)
5. Glen Young (6)
6. Ben Muncaster (8)
7. Connor Boyle (16)
8. Mesulame Kunavula (20)

Replacements

16. Adam McBurney (6)
17. Boan Venter (21)
18. Luan de Bruin (4)
19. Jamie Hodgson (33)
20. Magnus Bradbury (104)
21. Ben Vellacott (13)
22. Charlie Savala (9)
23. Cammy Hutchison (10)

Unavailable due to injury: Rudi Brown, Jamie Campbell, Luke Crosbie, Nick Haining, Damien Hoyland, James Johnstone, James Lang, Viliame Mata, Jamie Ritchie, Marshall Sykes, Ben Toolis

International selection: Mark Bennett, Darcy Graham, Grant Gilchrist, Blair Kinghorn, Stuart McInally, WP Nel, Pierre Schoeman, Hamish Watson
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Pretty big win in awful conditions. Even a Kinghorn 50/22 to help close it out.

Set piece and discipline issues but took the chances and got the win away in SA.
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Big D wrote:Pretty big win in awful conditions. Even a Kinghorn 50/22 to help close it out.

Set piece and discipline issues but took the chances and got the win away in SA.
Yeah, those conditions were comically bad. Only saw the highlights but nice contributions from Bennett and Kinghorn.
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Compelling game, really felt the ref was a tad concerned about penalizing the home team, i don’t think he gave us a single penalty in a lockable range the entire game
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Missed opportunity to come away from SA with 8 points but 5 is still a decent return.
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Big D wrote:Missed opportunity to come away from SA with 8 points but 5 is still a decent return.
a week or so back, before either game, think everyone would have said 5 pts over the 2 games would be decent return.

That said, Edinburgh should have been planning and hoping to take 4 or even all 5 from the Lions game, with anything from the first game a bonus.

But after getting conditions which inevitably meant a low scoring game and winning it deservedly and to be honest comfortably against the Sharks, they should be very disappointed not to back that up. Lions are not very good; and bar the scoreboard there isn't a single stat where Lions get the better of the play. Edin dominated possession, territory, meters run, tackle success, everything.

Maybe outplayed at half back, and if I said Kinghorn previously was making progress as a 10, I need to modify that opinion. he can be terrific in attack sometimes, has the pace the offload etc. But yesterday he gave a performance that will have those who call Russell inconsistent and a maverick rapidly refining what inconsistent and maverick really looks like. And Vellacott fans need to have another think; as does Blair and Toonie about him. Pyrgos in that game and Edinburgh win easily. Poor Charlie Sheil has stalled and now being asked to rescue games like this by trying too hard.
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