SerjeantWildgoose wrote:Good effort! Wouldn't know where to start with a similar list of my own so while I give it some thought, forgive me for commenting on your superb lists?
rowan wrote:Fiction:
1 Uncle Tom's Cabin - Harriet Beacher Stowe - Read too much about it to ever want to read it. The book that caused the war? Hmmmm ...?
2 To Kill A Mockingbird - Harper Lee - Well more likely Truman Capote, but an utterly superb novel, possibly one of the most important to come out of any country at any time. "That was the last time she [Scout] ever saw Boo Radley," had me howling! Then again, I still howl when Jenny Aguter says, "Daddy! My Daddy!"
3 East of Eden - John Steinbeck - I am saving this sumptuous gem for the slow days of retirement.
4 Crime & Punishment - Fyodor Dostoyevsky - You're a better man than me Gunga Din. Can't imagine ever getting round to Dostoyevsky.
5 David Copperfield - Charles Dickens - Only read 1 Dickens; Oliver Twist. Next on the list is a Tale of Two Cities - saving that for the worst of time.
6 Les Miserables - Victor Hugo - I read this on the prairie in Canada in 1989 in the hope of impressing a very attractive girl from Montana who was traveling up to meet me in Calgary to go and see the the show. Missed so much kip reading the flipping thing that as soon as the lights went down in the warm theatre I nodded off and was put out for snoring over the I Dreamed a Dream sketch. Seems ironic in retrospect, but it cost me a shag!
7 Don Quixote - Miguel Cervantes - Closest I have been is Green's Monsignor Quixote; which I don't suppose is very close at all?
8 Wild Swans - Jung Chang - Shamefully, I've never heard of this.
9 Sound and the Fury - William Faulkner - Read down my Goodreads list convinced that I had read Absolom, Absolom at some stage; then remembered I gave it to a homesick American Air Force Colonel in Baghdad. Serves her right for being so bloody miserable.
10 For Whom the Bell Tolls - Ernest Hemingway - in my opinion this is absolutely, beyond doubt the most loathsome and unreadable of any of the so-called essential modern classics. Hate the man and his work.
11 The God of Small Things - Arundhati Roy - Now on my list to read.
12 In Dubious Battle - John Steinbeck - Not his best but reminds me of the old joke, "How was the worst blow-job you ever had?" "Brilliant!"
13 Catcher in the Rye - J D Salinger - Worse than Hemmingway, but thankfully not as prolific.
14 Great Expectations - Charles Dickens - As for Davy C.
15 Germinal - Emile Zola - Read L'Assommoir in Mali. It was superb, but I was depressed enough before I started; it and the Harmattan nearly did for me
16 To A God Unknown - John Steinbeck - great, wonderful, brilliant. All of these things, but if you haven't read Grapes of Wrath and Cannery Row (And there's no way you would rate TAGU above either) you need to get on it.
17 Of Mice and Men - John Steinbeck - first book I actually got my son's to read. Sadly they're a couple of Lennies.
18 The Old Man and the Sea - Ernest Hemingway - Worse than Salinger etc, etc, etc ...
19 Memed my Hawk - Yasar Kemal - Also now on my list
20 Roots - Alex Hayley - I still remember the 1st episode of the TV series. Might get round to it one day, but the way we write about the Famine, I'll not be running out of our own tragedy any time soon.
Other favourites include Maxim Gorky's My Childhood, Alexandre Dumas' The Count of Monte Cristo, Chimamanda Ngozie Adichie's Half of a Yellow Sun (Couldn't find the hook to stay with it - and I was in West Africa so should have had everything on my side), & Alan Paton's Cry, the Beloved Country. The anti-war trio, Red Badge of Courage, Slaughterhouse Five (OK, but I hoped to be more impressed than I was) & Catch 22 (Brilliant. Read in Sarajevo during a miserably cold winter) are also great reads, along with the German classic All Quiet on the Western Front (Brilliant, but there's better, I think). Of course, I could include many other classics by authors I've already mentioned, notably Dickens, Steinbeck, Heminway and Dostoyevsky . . .
Non-fction
1 Guns, Germs and Steel - Jared Diamond
2 The People's History of the United States - Howard Zinn
3 The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe - A book to change your view of the world. If I had to recommend 1 book to every comfortable 50 year old conservative, this would be it.
4 Gaza in Crisis - Noam Chomsky
5 Tangata Whenua - Anderson, Binney, Harris
6 India - John Keay
7 Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee - Dee Brown
8 Man's Conquest of the Pacific - Peter Bellwood
9 The Great War for Civilisation - Robert Fisk - Feck! Seriously? Are ye still reading it? We've used my copy to weigh down the Christmas Tree stand for at least 5 years.
10 Heroes - John Pilger
11 A Modern History of the Kurds - David McDowal
12 Hegemony of Survival - Noam Chomsky
13 In Cold Blood - Truman Capote - I think you'll find that Harper Lee wrote this!
14 Rogue State - William Blum
15 The Blood Never Dried - John Newsinger
16 Britain's Gulag - Caroline Elkins
17 Ottoman Centuries - Lord Kinross
18 Blood of Brothers - Stephen Kinzer
19 The World Until Yesterday - Jared Diamond
20 Paradise Lost - Giles Milton - Never! Not if I live to 150!
Another non-fiction classic was Hemingway's history of bullfighting, Death in the Afternoon. Eduardo Galeano's Open Veins of Latin America and Precopius' Byzantine Histories are great texts which I read online. Muhammad Ali's autobiography an interesting read, while the best autobiography about Turkey I've read was Irfan Orga's Portrait of a Turkish Family.
Thanks for this Rowan - not easy to compile, I'm sure, and far easier for me to pick over. But I've now got a few new titles to look for when I next visit Foyles.
You're most welcome. Literature was actually my major, and it's a privilege to have the chance to share my views on it.
Uncle Tom's Cabin caused the war? You mean the Civil War, obviously. I hadn't heard that before, but I know it had a major impact on thinking at the time - as great books tend to do...
Do you think To Kill a Mockingbird may have really been written by Capote? I've always wondered about both Uncle Tom's Cabin & To Kill a Mockingbird. One hit wonders, both written by white women about black people. Was it possible some other leading figure actually wrote them and simply attributed their work to a female writer to avoid handling the controversy themselves? With Uncle Tom's Cabin it's almost as though a team of writers were involved. But who knows? There used to be conspiracy theories about Shakespeare too, until computer technology established by word choice percentages that it was certainly his own work. I think Marlowe was closest but still quite distinctive from Shakespeare.
East of Eden is my favourite Steinbeck novel, and Steinbeck is probably my favourite writer overall (edging Dickens because he's a little easier on the eye).
David Copperfield is said to be at least partly autobiographical, and perhaps for that reason seems the most realistic Dickens' many classics. I almost felt like I was walking around the streets of Victorian England with him during the month or so I spent reading that book. Dickens was the master entertainer, catering for all classes and ages, and weaving in humor, tragedy, adventure and all the rest of it. In those days people didn't have TV, of course, so they spent their evenings at home reading.
I read the first half of Les Miserables in Spain and the second half after arriving in Turkey, and they almost seemed like two different books as well. The first half was pure genius. The second, as I recall, seemed like it had been added as an after-thought, just to extend the novel to a length more befitting of the classics of the day.
I don't think I've heard of Monsignor Quixote. But the original is definitely worth reading. We studied it at university, in fact, which was a real privilege. Cervantes, btw, was once wounded in battle against the Ottomans.
Wild Swans is about 20th century China and was all the rage a couple of decades ago. But it's amazing how many people I encounter today who have never heard of it. I guess it's fame didn't last. But it was a very thorough and entertaining account of the civil war between the Communists and the American-backed Kuomintang (who survive in Taiwan), followed by the Cultural Revolution. One of the very few books I've bothered to read twice.
Faulkner's tough but worthwhile and Sound and the Fury had to be told through the eyes of a retard because of the taboo issues involved - in this case incest.
Easy to understand why people despise Hemingway with his chauvenist, ultramasculine values, but there's no disputing the man was an artist. I have to say I didn't enjoy all his work, which separates him from Steinbeck and Dickens, in my books, but much of what he wrote was sheer poetry, and for me For Whom the Bell Tolls was top of the list. Probably not the best account of the Spanish Civil War ever given, however. I'll grant you that.
The God of Small Things is a real tear-jerker and sheer poetry in parts. Not a particularly long book, but it leaves that great pile of pretentious rubbish 'A Suitable Boy' in the dust and provides a real insight into the hardships of life on the sub-continent.
In Dubious Battle was brutal. Pulled no punches, and wasn't intended to. Not quite up there with East of Eden and the Wrathful Grapes for entertainment value, but was certainly a page-turner. Yes, I've read both the Wrathful Grapes and Cannery Row. The former might have been spoiled for me slightly because I'd already seen the (Henry Fonda) movie. Cannery Row was okayish but certainly not among my favourites. I don't recall it involving much in the way of adventure.
Catcher in the Wry appealed to me mostly because it was so quirky and seemingly pointless, like nothing I'd ever read before, yet somehow I couldn't put it down. Holden Caulfield had got inside my head with his quirky, pointless nonsense, and in the end I got it; that's all his life as a youth in white middle-class America was about.
"L'Assommoir" - not familiar with it, but sounds interesting. I'll look out for it. Were you in Mali when you read it? What was that like - aside from the Harmattan?
Of Mice & Men and Old Man & the Sea were insightful commentaries on human nature whose enduring messages transcend time, culture and borders and ring true in every society and age.
Memed my Hawk is widely regarded as the greatest work in Turkish literary history. Peter Ustinov actually made (and starred in) a film based on the book back in the early 80s, low-budget and heavily reliant on Ustinov's own comic genius, while the posh English accents just didn't quite bring the Chukarova chieftains and peasants to life for me.
Roots the mini-series was perhaps the best thing I ever saw on TV. & seeing it didn't detract from my enjoyment of the book either, when I read it several years later.
Regarding the non-fiction, note that Giles Milton's Paradise Lost should not be confused with the 17th century poem by John Milton. It is about the final destruction of Smyrna (Izmir) at the end of the Ottoman Empire. Situated on the Aegean Coast, basically facing Athens across the sea, Smyrna had a Greek majority at the time and also a sizable community of well-to-do foreigners, notably Americans and Europeans (Aristotle Onassis was among its progeny). But the Greek army made the grave error of burning villages on its final restreat from Turkey, and the Turks had their revenge at Smyrna, where they burnt the city down.
Aside from the books I've mentioned, I'd add that I was a huge fan of James A Michener and Wilbur Smith in my youth. I learnt a great deal about history from the former, and also quite a bit about South Africa from the latter - but either Smith's writing deteriorated drastically toward the end of his career, or I just outgrew him, because the last couple of books I read of his were absolutely dreadful.