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Mellsblue wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:43 pm
francoisfou wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:04 pm Midi Olympique are forecasting, unsurprisingly, no changes in the French 23. Sheep Botherer must pick a pack to counter the heavyweight frogs, and if he does then there’s a chance of an upset.
Who would you drop after last week’s performance. I’d argue it’s best to let them worry about us rather than us worrying about them.
Last weekend's starting pack is probably the best we've got for taking on the starting French offering. As Puja suggested earlier you could switch in Marler for better scrum work but that would drastically reduce the carrying ability up front. We had a nice balance last weekend and retaining it makes sense.

I'm glad George Martin is bringing his club form to international level. It's fun watching him cut people in half.

The bench will need a bit of adjustment with no CCS. Not sure about Dombrant Vs France either. Roots would be a solid physical option.
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Mellsblue wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:43 pm
francoisfou wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:04 pm Midi Olympique are forecasting, unsurprisingly, no changes in the French 23. Sheep Botherer must pick a pack to counter the heavyweight frogs, and if he does then there’s a chance of an upset.
Who would you drop after last week’s performance. I’d argue it’s best to let them worry about us rather than us worrying about them.
Who would I drop from the French team? Ramos for me, but he's their almost metronomic goalkicker but Galthié wouldn't dare drop him, and after having been stuffed by the Irish and seen England beat them, Galthié'll be bricking it!
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francoisfou wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:33 pm
Mellsblue wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:43 pm
francoisfou wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:04 pm Midi Olympique are forecasting, unsurprisingly, no changes in the French 23. Sheep Botherer must pick a pack to counter the heavyweight frogs, and if he does then there’s a chance of an upset.
Who would you drop after last week’s performance. I’d argue it’s best to let them worry about us rather than us worrying about them.
Who would I drop from the French team? Ramos for me, but he's their almost metronomic goalkicker but Galthié wouldn't dare drop him, and after having been stuffed by the Irish and seen England beat them, Galthié'll be bricking it!
From the England 23? ‘Sheep Botherer must pick a pack to counter the heavyweight frogs’.
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Mellsblue wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:46 pm
francoisfou wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:33 pm
Mellsblue wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:43 pm

Who would you drop after last week’s performance. I’d argue it’s best to let them worry about us rather than us worrying about them.
Who would I drop from the French team? Ramos for me, but he's their almost metronomic goalkicker but Galthié wouldn't dare drop him, and after having been stuffed by the Irish and seen England beat them, Galthié'll be bricking it!
From the England 23? ‘Sheep Botherer must pick a pack to counter the heavyweight frogs’.
Maybe Marler into the starting XV and Genge on the bench. Also, I'd drop George and start with LCD, but that's not going to happen.
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Nothing particularly interesting to say, but this is shaping up to be a fascinating game. England are likely to be a bit hit and miss for a while with their new defence while France's backline could run riot or could collapse under the physical pressure.

Plus, there is a title potentially on the line.

I don't think it's been the highest quality tournament but last week has meant this final weekend could be one of the best for a while.
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Agree, the extra time in camp after Match 3 week has allowed Fra and Eng to reach decent levels of performance after scratchy starts to the 6N, and Ita continuing to improve points to 3 intriguing contests.
Eng could easily grab a 5 point win (even if it's close) but can't see Ire ending the Sco match without even a losing BP, so the title appears to be out of reach.
Good that Ches fit, but real shame IFW not out there with his Sir Billy of Whizzington type of impact on a game.
Expect Striding Backpacker will go with Ford to start who despite last week's off day wi'boot has a good head for these occasions.
Experienced ref. A. Gardner, which is apt with so much happening 'on the grass', and we have the steady Georgian chap again, as one of the AR's along with Ben W. the TMO.
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DT suggesting Daly for IFW as the only change, possibly with Tuilagi replacing him on the bench.
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Oakboy wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:06 am DT suggesting Daly for IFW as the only change, possibly with Tuilagi replacing him on the bench.
Change for CCS is the interesting one
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Oakboy wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:06 am DT suggesting Daly for IFW as the only change, possibly with Tuilagi replacing him on the bench.
i guess, though can't see the value in Tuilagi, even in an important match. a- fairly likely to break if he has to appear early, b- not match fit if he appears early c- he won't play another game for us as he's off abroad d- much impact unlikely given his lay off. Maybe its sentiment, last hurrah etc.
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p/d wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:10 am
Oakboy wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:06 am DT suggesting Daly for IFW as the only change, possibly with Tuilagi replacing him on the bench.
Change for CCS is the interesting one
It won't be interesting, it'll be Roots
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Which Tyler wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:38 am
p/d wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:10 am
Oakboy wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:06 am DT suggesting Daly for IFW as the only change, possibly with Tuilagi replacing him on the bench.
Change for CCS is the interesting one
It won't be interesting, it'll be Roots
Probably, though that could mean Dombrandt still on the bench when logic suggests a lock.
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Oakboy wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:50 am
Which Tyler wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:38 am
p/d wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:10 am

Change for CCS is the interesting one
It won't be interesting, it'll be Roots
Probably, though that could mean Dombrandt still on the bench when logic suggests a lock.
I think it might be Coles, with Roots replacing Dombrandt. Showing Brightspots will be cognisant of the French bench and I think he'll want more direct carrying and tackling than Dombrandt's loose stuff.

Although, knowing him, he'll probably pick someone left-field like Pepper.

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Oakboy wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:50 am
Which Tyler wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:38 am
p/d wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:10 am

Change for CCS is the interesting one
It won't be interesting, it'll be Roots
Probably, though that could mean Dombrandt still on the bench when logic suggests a lock.
What logic? Coles and Roots and no number 8 cover?
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Mikey Brown wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:57 am
Oakboy wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:50 am
Which Tyler wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:38 am
It won't be interesting, it'll be Roots
Probably, though that could mean Dombrandt still on the bench when logic suggests a lock.
What logic? Coles and Roots and no number 8 cover?
if three locks are good, four locks must be better. QED
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Mikey Brown wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:57 am
Oakboy wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:50 am
Which Tyler wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:38 am
It won't be interesting, it'll be Roots
Probably, though that could mean Dombrandt still on the bench when logic suggests a lock.
What logic? Coles and Roots and no number 8 cover?
...fair point. Have been so used to Earl being indestructible and there being CCS as the backup that I hadn't considered the lack of 8 cover. We do always have Itoje, I suppose :P.

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Which Tyler wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:00 am
Mikey Brown wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:57 am
Oakboy wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:50 am

Probably, though that could mean Dombrandt still on the bench when logic suggests a lock.
What logic? Coles and Roots and no number 8 cover?
if three locks are good, four locks must be better. QED
Dombrandt used to be a lock. Let's go 6:2 split so we can have 5 locks.

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Puja wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:01 am
Which Tyler wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:00 am
Mikey Brown wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:57 am

What logic? Coles and Roots and no number 8 cover?
if three locks are good, four locks must be better. QED
Dombrandt used to be a lock. Let's go 6:2 split so we can have 5 locks.

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Banquo wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:08 am
Puja wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:01 am
Which Tyler wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:00 am
if three locks are good, four locks must be better. QED
Dombrandt used to be a lock. Let's go 6:2 split so we can have 5 locks.

Puja
Steward is tall, that'll do.
Don't be silly; Steward's playing 13! I know we said 12 earlier, but we don't want to move Lawrence from his natural position and both centre roles are basically the same anyway so we can just move him across to 13.

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Puja wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:31 am
Banquo wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:08 am
Puja wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:01 am

Dombrandt used to be a lock. Let's go 6:2 split so we can have 5 locks.

Puja
Steward is tall, that'll do.
Don't be silly; Steward's playing 13! I know we said 12 earlier, but we don't want to move Lawrence from his natural position and both centre roles are basically the same anyway so we can just move him across to 13.

Puja
These are all excellent points.

(btw, last Saturday was the first time I've seen Freeman play left wing....)
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Banquo wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:34 am
Puja wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:31 am
Banquo wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:08 am

Steward is tall, that'll do.
Don't be silly; Steward's playing 13! I know we said 12 earlier, but we don't want to move Lawrence from his natural position and both centre roles are basically the same anyway so we can just move him across to 13.

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These are all excellent points.

(btw, last Saturday was the first time I've seen Freeman play left wing....)
No it wasn’t.
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Mikey Brown wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:39 am
Banquo wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:34 am
Puja wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:31 am

Don't be silly; Steward's playing 13! I know we said 12 earlier, but we don't want to move Lawrence from his natural position and both centre roles are basically the same anyway so we can just move him across to 13.

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These are all excellent points.

(btw, last Saturday was the first time I've seen Freeman play left wing....)
No it wasn’t.
You telling me what I'VE seen :). He may well have played there before, but I don't remember it :)
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Affirmative on both of those points.
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Mikey Brown wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:48 am Affirmative on both of those points.
eh? I remember him playing a lot on the right for Saints, and earlier this season for England. Was he on the left in Oz, in which case its a long time ago for an old chap. (to be clear, I wasn't claiming he'd never played on the left, but he's been on the right when I'vee seen him on the wing recently. It does make a difference).
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Banquo wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:50 am
Mikey Brown wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:48 am Affirmative on both of those points.
eh? I remember him playing a lot on the right for Saints, and earlier this season for England. Was he on the left in Oz, in which case its a long time ago for an old chap. (to be clear, I wasn't claiming he'd never played on the left).
I believe he was indeed on the left on the Australia tour.

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Puja wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:52 am
Banquo wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:50 am
Mikey Brown wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:48 am Affirmative on both of those points.
eh? I remember him playing a lot on the right for Saints, and earlier this season for England. Was he on the left in Oz, in which case its a long time ago for an old chap. (to be clear, I wasn't claiming he'd never played on the left).
I believe he was indeed on the left on the Australia tour.

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memory fail then. I'll revise my point- iirc (which has to now be questioned) he's played nearly all his wing rugby on the right, esp since then.
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