gaza conflict

[Son of Mathonwy]

And frankly our entry deserves nil points.

The general standard was low but ours was particularly bad.

[morepork]

Eurovision. It has come to this.

(sarc BTW. I love shitty pop music)

[paddy no 11]

Or alternatively people liked the song and had some sympathy with the singer who was getting constant crap from other performers all week. None of the fighting is her fault.

Since many Jews aren’t necessarily Zionist outside of Israel is there any reason to suggest that they would have automatically voted for Israel?

And frankly our entry deserves nil points.

Plenty to say the Israeli entourage were the agitators - unless we were there we Don't really know

Not her fault but she has said she can't wait to go home and participate in the ethnic cleansing........

[paddy no 11]

Eurovision. It has come to this.

(sarc BTW. I love shitty pop music)

aren't even in Europe, let's have a Palestinian entry next year and a Palestinian state while we're at it

[Zhivago]

Or alternatively people liked the song and had some sympathy with the singer who was getting constant crap from other performers all week. None of the fighting is her fault.

Since many Jews aren’t necessarily Zionist outside of Israel is there any reason to suggest that they would have automatically voted for Israel?

And frankly our entry deserves nil points.

The truth is that there was obviously an organized, dedicated effort by Israel supporters to give their votes to Golan in the face of intense threats and hatred, and it clearly drew votes from many who don’t otherwise tune into the Eurovision each year.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-ge ... the-world/

[Son of Mathonwy]

Marching for Gaza, and Jezza Corbyn of course.

[paddy no 11]

ICC looking to issue international arrest warrants for bibi and heads of Hamas. Great

[paddy no 11]

Ireland and Norway formally recognise a Palestinian state, Spain to follow suit in next hour. Slovenia and Malta in the short term.

Not political heavyweights by any means

[Son of Mathonwy]

Ireland and Norway formally recognise a Palestinian state, Spain to follow suit in next hour. Slovenia and Malta in the short term.

Not political heavyweights by any means

It's brilliant news.

Naturally the UK is quick to say that now is not the right time. Because the right time is when the USA say it's the right time. Which is probably never.

[paddy no 11]

Ireland and Norway formally recognise a Palestinian state, Spain to follow suit in next hour. Slovenia and Malta in the short term.

Not political heavyweights by any means

It's brilliant news.

Naturally the UK is quick to say that now is not the right time. Because the right time is when the USA say it's the right time. Which is probably never.

Macron could take a flyer on this, would be huge to have 1 of the large Central European states on board. Germany thinks 2 wrongs make a right and Britain in no rush to rescue their own cluster fuck from a 100 years ago

Australia could follow soon also

[Son of Mathonwy]

Ireland and Norway formally recognise a Palestinian state, Spain to follow suit in next hour. Slovenia and Malta in the short term.

Not political heavyweights by any means

It's brilliant news.

Naturally the UK is quick to say that now is not the right time. Because the right time is when the USA say it's the right time. Which is probably never.

Macron could take a flyer on this, would be huge to have 1 of the large Central European states on board. Germany thinks 2 wrongs make a right and Britain in no rush to rescue their own cluster fuck from a 100 years ago

Australia could follow soon also

Germany supplies 30% of Israel's arms imports, so they will have nothing to do with this.

But there's a fair chance of a large number of non-western countries getting on board.

[Banquo]

It's brilliant news.

Naturally the UK is quick to say that now is not the right time. Because the right time is when the USA say it's the right time. Which is probably never.

Macron could take a flyer on this, would be huge to have 1 of the large Central European states on board. Germany thinks 2 wrongs make a right and Britain in no rush to rescue their own cluster fuck from a 100 years ago

Australia could follow soon also

Germany supplies 30% of Israel's arms imports, so they will have nothing to do with this.

But there's a fair chance of a large number of non-western countries getting on board.

There's already 143 plus the latest, so most of the non west tbh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... _Palestine

[Son of Mathonwy]

Macron could take a flyer on this, would be huge to have 1 of the large Central European states on board. Germany thinks 2 wrongs make a right and Britain in no rush to rescue their own cluster fuck from a 100 years ago

Australia could follow soon also

Germany supplies 30% of Israel's arms imports, so they will have nothing to do with this.

But there's a fair chance of a large number of non-western countries getting on board.

There's already 143 plus the latest, so most of the non west tbh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... _Palestine

You're absolutely right (what was I thinking?), it's really just the West who are lagging behind.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... -palestine

[paddy no 11]

Icj says stop

[Son of Mathonwy]

Icj says stop

Israel's obviously ignoring this. The US have already said that's fine.

Which will the UK support, Israel or international law?

Unfortunately, we know exactly which matters most to the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... new-ruling

[paddy no 11]

Starmer was terrible today, we have to work with our international partners.........he'll do whatever the yanks say.

Watched an hour of dispatches tonight, so much horror, a ceasefire can't happen soon enough

[paddy no 11]

Joe must read this forum as he's just issued his own peace proposal

Speculation that it wasn't pre aligned with Netanyahu

[Son of Mathonwy]

The deliberate erasure of a culture:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... olasticide

[Son of Mathonwy]

The UK is actively assisting Israel in its actions in Gaza:

https://www.declassifieduk.org/the-brit ... ombs-gaza/

[Son of Mathonwy]

According to this Lancet article, there could easily be another 10k Gazans buried in the rubble.

The 37k or so reported deaths were directly caused by Israeli action. But indirect deaths are likely to amount to a far higher figure (3 to 15 times higher in similar situations) leading to a very rough and conservative estimate of 186k:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 3/fulltext

[Son of Mathonwy]

I don't normally use the word but this is just evil:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... za-injured

[Son of Mathonwy]

Time's passing. I'm wondering if Labour will make any changes from Tory policy re Gaza.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... srael-gaza

They said they were going to review the legality of arms sales to Israel. I wonder how that's progressing?

[Son of Mathonwy]

Landmark ruling:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... ourt-finds

As well as ordering an end to the occupation as soon as possible, the court, which consists of 15 judges, said Israel must put an end to all unlawful acts, including ceasing all new settlement activity and repealing legislation that maintains the occupation, including that which discriminates against Palestinians or seeks to modify the demographic composition of any parts of the occupied territory.

Salam said reparations included restitution, compensation and/or satisfaction, defining the former as “Israel’s obligation to return the land and other immovable property, as well as all assets seized from any natural or legal person since its occupation started in 1967, and all cultural property and assets taken from Palestinians and Palestinian institutions, including archives and documents.

“It also requires the evacuation of all settlers from existing settlements and the dismantling of the parts of the wall constructed by Israel that are situated in the occupied Palestinian territory, as well as allowing all Palestinians displaced during the occupation to return to their original place of residence.”

And yes, it is apartheid.

It would be nice if the UK acted on this, as it claims to be a supporter of international law.

[Which Tyler]

It's good that the ICJ have balls - if only they had teeth as well

[Son of Mathonwy]

It's good that the ICJ have balls - if only they had teeth as well

Yeah. I mean almost all of the ruling is obvious and has been for 57 years. It shouldn't even need to be spelled out.

But this will make it impossible for the UK deny*. (They'll ignore it instead.)


* Israel and the USA will, though.