America

[Mikey Brown]

I hadn’t even considered there would be a worse angle than the ones above.



I certainly hope the (promise of) cheap gasoline is worth it.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Lol, the ADL calls it a moment of exuberance. The pro Israel anti semites are the worst

An exuberant expression of fascism.

Interesting times for Trump supporters who fancy themselves as being against antisemitism. I guess they'll brush it off after a second of cognitive dissonance. I see more cognitive dissonance in their future.

[paddy no 11]

Lol, the ADL calls it a moment of exuberance. The pro Israel anti semites are the worst

An exuberant expression of fascism.

Interesting times for Trump supporters who fancy themselves as being against antisemitism. I guess they'll brush it off after a second of cognitive dissonance. I see more cognitive dissonance in their future.

Much more

Wouldn't all those Virginia tech guys chanting the Jews will not replace us be trump supporters?

[Son of Mathonwy]

I'm trying to work out if Musk's admission of fascism is good or bad. I mean, obviously it's bad that he's a fascist (rather than merely a right wing dick), but given that he is, is it good or bad that he's revealed it to the world?

Positive:
It might cause a backlash, like people not buying Teslas, dropping X for good, ideally (if they had any sense) that's what the UK government should do, the world showing Musk that he is now toxic. This will happen to a degree but how much?
Negative:
Fascism becomes normalised (which is presumably Musk's intention), it gets explained away, laughed off, but is then easier to do again etc. We're already in a world where a genocide has taken place in plain sight but has been denied by most western nations.

I'm thinking, more likely on the negative side, but we shall see.

[paddy no 11]

Definitely negative there's zero blow back from it

[Mikey Brown]

Is he not just demonstrating how great the economy is going to be?

Giving a fascist doing the fash salute the benefit of the doubt is not a good look. Knock this sort of shit off.

I don’t have the energy for this. It was not a serious suggestion.

[Mikey Brown]

Yes. Okay. Thank you. Have a nice evening.

[Which Tyler]

https://www.iflscience.com/trumps-execu ... male-77710
https://archive.is/wXkJz

Trump's Executive Order Against Trans People Technically Makes Every American Female
If you legislate with scientific words, you should know the science.

The text of the EO declares: “'Female' means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell.” Linking sex and conception seems to bring anti-abortion and anti-LGBTQ+ lingo together, but also demonstrates the lack of knowledge that at fertilization, and for many weeks after, every embryo is female. It's a point that people have been quick to raise online.

In the first few weeks after conception, all embryos look the same. We can call that state "unisex", but the basic blueprint is what we ascribe to female bodies – that’s why, for example, everyone has nipples and not just those people who might end up lactating (although everyone has the potential to do that).

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Does this mean that anyone who identifies as male, is technically (but only in USA) trans-male now?

[Son of Mathonwy]

Definitely negative there's zero blow back from it

One positive is that it makes life a bit harder for Farage and Badenoch to latch onto Musk's words, since they're the words of a fascist.

Less of a problem if the media pretends that it didn't happen though . . .

[Which Tyler]

"He did an awkward gesture." And that gesture was a fucking fascist salute, you fucking idiots. And or course, like the bootlicking cowards that they are, they've restricted comments.

I'm seeing a lot, that it can't have been a nazi salute, because he touches his hand to his heart first, before throwing it out - it's obvious he's "giving his heart out" to the crowd - in a way that literally no-one has ever done before; and it's pure coincidence that it looks like a nazi salute (which IIRC, was in turn a variation of the Roman Salute).

The context to see is "Musk doesn't deny it, just says that the left call everyone a nazi" - almost word-for-word the sketch I posted yesterday.
The context to ignore is that Musk supports the Neo-Nazi party in Germany. Musk used X to foment racial violence in the UK. Musk is a big fan of mass deportations - completely unlike the nazi's, who merely wanted... mass deportations, before losing the Battle of Britain, and not getting safe shipping to... Madagascar?. Musk managed to get X banned in Brazil in large part because of his Nazi crap. X has become a Neo-Nazi haven under Musk. Musk tweets Neo-Nazi crap on X.
Look, just because he looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, flies like a duck, and is more comfortable in water than air or land... just because he just said quack, is pure coincidence, and only an idiot could think that maybe he's a duck.

FTR, you can see the difference between Musk's salute, and a nazi salute in this convenient side-by-side
https://www.threads.net/@jamescrockerrr ... FGEGH_xQfO

Now - is he a nazi, or "just" a wannabe edgelord, ally of nazis who enjoys mimicking nazis in order to troll his enemies? I've no idea. Neither speaks well of him, and neither means that his salute wasn't a variation of the Roman Salute.

[Puja]

Meanwhile, the ADL bootlickers show their asses again.

https://x.com/ADL/status/1881474892022919403



"He did an awkward gesture." And that gesture was a fucking fascist salute, you fucking idiots. And or course, like the bootlicking cowards that they are, they've restricted comments. Pathetic.

The ADL, folks.

Anti-semitism: Fairly famous autistic woman Greta Thunberg owning an octopus squishie.


Not anti-semitism:


Puja

[Puja]

Now - is he a nazi, or "just" a wannabe edgelord, ally of nazis who enjoys mimicking nazis in order to troll his enemies? I've no idea. Neither speaks well of him, and neither means that his salute wasn't a variation of the Roman Salute.

I love the people who genuinely debate this, like there is any genuine difference. "He's not actually a Nazi; he just enjoys making people think he's a Nazi for the reactions it gets." Ummmm, great. Good job by him; I bought it completely.

Puja

[Son of Mathonwy]

The 'Roman' connection is that Italian fascist Mussolini used the salute (although there's no evidence that it was ever used in ancient Rome), and then Hitler copied Mussolini. It's the fascist salute, most well-known as the Nazi salute.

[Stom]

Honestly...who cares?

We know he's a pretty abhorrent human being.

We can choose to remove ourselves from Twatter, we can choose to boycott Tesla, et al, products, we can choose to tell our friends and family to do likewise.

To be honest, this whole thing has flown past me. We know what Trump is likely to bring to the world. We know what he stands for. And for most of us (there are a few who live there, or work there), it does not have a direct impact.

For me, the fact that Viktor is now an outcast - not at the inauguration - is cause for optimism, while I see sentiment expressed across Europe that I can get behind.

But will people come to understand why Trump has been elected in the first place? Or will the "non-right wing", because I'm not sure I can say that any of the political powers in the world are truly left wing or even left of center, parties continue to play the same game, politically?

There is a lot we need to learn from this situation, and I hope that we do. As a society, we need to adapt and change substantially to avoid falling into a massive pit of two tiered economies and extreme poverty.

[Which Tyler]

Yeah, it's a difference without a difference - and either way, he's certainly a fascist

[Son of Mathonwy]

Funny to think of how excited various media outlets were about the possibility that Jeremy Corbyn was an antisemite. They don't seem quite so interested in the possibility that known fascist Elon Musk is an antisemite.

Imagine their reaction if Corbyn had performed two perfect fascist salutes in front of millions. It almost seems like double standards.

[J Dory]

5 days of Trump. Wow. I just don't have the words.

[paddy no 11]

5 days of Trump. Wow. I just don't have the words.

They just made a nazi secretary for defence, he wants to kill everyone on the American left..........

[Son of Mathonwy]

According to Greg Palast, voter suppression (eg purging of black and young people from the voting rolls) was large enough to swing the election for Trump. A horrific outcome, and the explanation for the pollsters 'getting it wrong' ie finding that Harris was marginally ahead of Trump in contrast to the actual result.

https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-v ... ssion-won/

[paddy no 11]

The notion ghat this will be over in 4 years time seems very optimistic

Are they going to take Greenland by force?

[Puja]

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1AAsyitQRV/

Background on Musk's Nazi salute by someone who knew him well.

Puja

[Which Tyler]

TY

[Stom]

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1AAsyitQRV/

Background on Musk's Nazi salute by someone who knew him well.

Puja

Meh, not much new there. Think it was pretty obvious

[Mikey Brown]

You can say obvious, but there are an awful lot of people with very different opinions about his beliefs and motivations. Never heard of this guy honestly, but thought it was sort of interesting.

I don’t know that there’s any real way to get through to his fanboys. There are lots of scientists and researchers calling him out to no avail, but maybe the voice of another billionaire tech bro, who had a personal relationship with him, might make a dent?

Provoking him in to blowing a gasket and making a big mistake is basically the only hope he gets recognised for what he is.

My feeling is it’s probably too late though. The country has been auctioned off and even if Trump voters realise that now it probably doesn’t matter.

It did feel very strange to actually open a Facebook link. I know logically there are still people that use, but it doesn’t seem right.

[Stom]

You can say obvious, but there are an awful lot of people with very different opinions about his beliefs and motivations. Never heard of this guy honestly, but thought it was sort of interesting.

I don’t know that there’s any real way to get through to his fanboys. There are lots of scientists and researchers calling him out to no avail, but maybe the voice of another billionaire tech bro, who had a personal relationship with him, might make a dent?

Provoking him in to blowing a gasket and making a big mistake is basically the only hope he gets recognised for what he is.

My feeling is it’s probably too late though. The country has been auctioned off and even if Trump voters realise that now it probably doesn’t matter.

It did feel very strange to actually open a Facebook link. I know logically there are still people that use, but it doesn’t seem right.

His fanboys are fanboys in the same way they are fanboys of other far right talking heads: they say what they want to hear. This guy will never be listened to.

The only way to get through to them is to crash the "tech bubble". And the only way to do that is for Europe to grow a backbone and take a little short-term pain for the betterment of European people.

In other words, we're screwed.