Apparently Trump is now publicly backing the director of ICE over threats to arrest Newsom. My understanding is that the governor is on very solid legal and constitutional grounds, so that could be interesting.
SCOTUS is going to be busy.
The usual tactic is to act fast (preferably irreversibly), then see what kind of legal challenge arises.
Hopefully they won't be so gung-ho with a state governor (they can't just lose him in a foreign jail) so the threats are coming first.
None of which will do Newsom any harm in the popularity stakes. This is an issue, states rights that is, which many on the right feel strongly about so potential here for the governor to be a rallying point for Democrats and anyone else who is anti Trump. This might become the effective opposition voice which has been missing since the election.
Just a shame that Newsom is a colossal turd himself. The American Starmer.
That’s bloody awful. The Independent covered it, but not seen anything on what happened next.
I did read that one court had ordered the return of the Californian national guard to governor control, but that a federal court had quickly reversed that.
That’s bloody awful. The Independent covered it, but not seen anything on what happened next.
I did read that one court had ordered the return of the Californian national guard to governor control, but that a federal court had quickly reversed that.
Yep, Trump keeps control of the national guard for now. Not sure where this leads . . . presumably to the Supreme Court, eventually, who will confirm the President's power to do whatever he likes?
I’ve just read the NYT report on the court appeal which is a bit clearer.
The first federal court agreed with the governor and required command of the national guard to be returned to state control. Trump administration immediately appealed and the first decision was postponed pending the appeal being heard.
It’s looking like LAPD have got the situation well in hand so I’d expect trump to stand down the national guard and claim victory before he potentially loses another court case.
“If you spit on us, you’re going to the hospital, then jail. If you hit one of us, you’re going to the hospital, jail, and most likely get bitten by one of our big, beautiful dogs we have here,” Ivey warned.
“If you spit on us, you’re going to the hospital, then jail. If you hit one of us, you’re going to the hospital, jail, and most likely get bitten by one of our big, beautiful dogs we have here,” Ivey warned.
Police state. But also, reading the comments, a really violent country . . . too many people who see their opponents as objects to be crushed. Too much aggression, not enough empathy.
“If you spit on us, you’re going to the hospital, then jail. If you hit one of us, you’re going to the hospital, jail, and most likely get bitten by one of our big, beautiful dogs we have here,” Ivey warned.
Police state. But also, reading the comments, a really violent country . . . too many people who see their opponents as objects to be crushed. Too much aggression, not enough empathy.
Modern politics. We get the same over here but with less obvious violence. Tory scum for example. The days of consensus politics are largely dead.
“If you spit on us, you’re going to the hospital, then jail. If you hit one of us, you’re going to the hospital, jail, and most likely get bitten by one of our big, beautiful dogs we have here,” Ivey warned.
Police state. But also, reading the comments, a really violent country . . . too many people who see their opponents as objects to be crushed. Too much aggression, not enough empathy.
Modern politics. We get the same over here but with less obvious violence. Tory scum for example. The days of consensus politics are largely dead.
But violence is the point of difference. Therefore it's not the same here. (Yet?)
Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:04 am
Police state. But also, reading the comments, a really violent country . . . too many people who see their opponents as objects to be crushed. Too much aggression, not enough empathy.
Modern politics. We get the same over here but with less obvious violence. Tory scum for example. The days of consensus politics are largely dead.
But violence is the point of difference. Therefore it's not the same here. (Yet?)
No its not the same... yet. But we are headed in the same direction, for the same reasons: an inability to accept alternative points of view; an emotional immaturity that thinks disagreement means hatred.
And now, as WT has just posted, political assassinations are being carried out in the US, which we've seen here over the past number of years too. We're going in the wrong direction and no one - public or politician - seems willing to change course.
It was so much easier to blame Them. It was bleakly depressing to think They were Us. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:04 am
Police state. But also, reading the comments, a really violent country . . . too many people who see their opponents as objects to be crushed. Too much aggression, not enough empathy.
Modern politics. We get the same over here but with less obvious violence. Tory scum for example. The days of consensus politics are largely dead.
But violence is the point of difference. Therefore it's not the same here. (Yet?)
Agreed, a reflection of American culture and the mass ownership of firearms. Although with two MPs murdered in the past decade, we’re not in a position to get too complacent. There’s enough idiots on this country, n both sides of the spectrum. Thankfully it’s much harder to get a firearm.
paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 16, 2025 10:22 pm
Watched about 30 seconds of starmer and Trump in banff there...... ..Starmer was revelling in his rim licking role
He's such a cretin. I almost preferred Johnson, at least you knew he was a vile bastard long before he gained any sort of power
paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 2:51 pm
Is Netanyahu going to do something terrible in Iran, the evacuate Tehran thing is worrying
Netanyahu apparently wanted to go for direct regime change, but the Americans instructed him not to. Perhaps they were thinking of going ahead anyway, but I doubt the Iranian leadership is staying still long enough to be targeted via air strike.
Trump has a habit of talking bollocks and since he is increasingly losing whatever marbles he had in the first place, he may be confused.
Looking at the latest news it’s quite possible that the US will launch a strike of their own.
paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 2:51 pm
Is Netanyahu going to do something terrible in Iran, the evacuate Tehran thing is worrying
Netanyahu apparently wanted to go for direct regime change, but the Americans instructed him not to. Perhaps they were thinking of going ahead anyway, but I doubt the Iranian leadership is staying still long enough to be targeted via air strike.
Trump has a habit of talking bollocks and since he is increasingly losing whatever marbles he had in the first place, he may be confused.
Looking at the latest news it’s quite possible that the US will launch a strike of their own.
Its tricky to tell, but the Don looks increasingly, properly demented.
paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 17, 2025 2:51 pm
Is Netanyahu going to do something terrible in Iran, the evacuate Tehran thing is worrying
Netanyahu apparently wanted to go for direct regime change, but the Americans instructed him not to. Perhaps they were thinking of going ahead anyway, but I doubt the Iranian leadership is staying still long enough to be targeted via air strike.
Trump has a habit of talking bollocks and since he is increasingly losing whatever marbles he had in the first place, he may be confused.
Looking at the latest news it’s quite possible that the US will launch a strike of their own.
Its tricky to tell, but the Don looks increasingly, properly demented.
God help us all, Trump's being emboldened by Netanyahu. He likes the idea of bombing a country that can't hit back. Maybe he also wants to 'set an example' by devastating a place than no one (who matters) cares about. Greenland next?
